carry firearms while fishing?

[Micro]

There's a lawsuit pending in Roanoke, Virginia over the detainment and treatment of a CHP holder who refused to tell police whether or not he was carrying.  I know Norfolk Police have already had to pay out to one or two CHP holders who were illegally detained, searched and harassed over lawful carrying. 

[VolFan]

While it'd be silly to just run up to every cop you see and ell them you're carrying, I would think good sense would dictate that if you were stopped for something else, that you be up front about it. Officers/agents declare it for safety reason if they interact in plain clothes (i.e. a federal agent getting pulled over for speeding). It just makes alot of stupid accidents less likely to happen.

[burleytog]

While it'd be silly to just run up to every cop you see and ell them you're carrying, I would think good sense would dictate that if you were stopped for something else, that you be up front about it. Officers/agents declare it for safety reason if they interact in plain clothes (i.e. a federal agent getting pulled over for speeding). It just makes alot of stupid accidents less likely to happen.

I'm not responsible for police stupidity.

[VolFan]

Nor they yours 

[FL Knifemaker]

It just makes alot of stupid accidents less likely to happen.

For the record, I have many cops that are customers and friends. Sometimes they gather in my shop to build Kydex stuff or sharpen knives.  I always give them the benefit of the doubt in any situation or discussion..........However, there are also some realy Barney Fifers around here that I'd rather not have ANY interaction with at a simple traffic stop over a CCW.  I'm not saying exactly what ANYONE should do in this situation and I'm leaning towards both sides of the argument     My gut reaction would probably be to hold off on making any announcement unless for some ODD reason they made the announcement that I needed to step out of the car, etc. 

[VolFan]

I think you might have partially made my point.  The last thing anybody wants is for you to reach for your wallet for ID/license and have your concealment garment slip open, and that overreactive Barney Fifer think you're going for your weapon.  It's just a situation that could be avoided with some removal of testosterone.  But to each his/her own.

[FL Knifemaker]

I think you might have partially made my point. The last thing anybody wants is for you to reach for your wallet for ID/license and have your concealment garment slip open, and that overreactive Barney Fifer think you're going for your weapon. It's just a situation that could be avoided with some removal of testosterone. But to each his/her own.

What does it have to do with testosterone??   :-?   It would be a simple decision based on some forethought.  Do you equate CCW with some sort of testosterone issues??   

[VolFan]

With some people, absolutely. It'd be silly to argue that.

[burleytog]

With some people, absolutely. It'd be silly to argue that.

And it is revealed...

[VolFan]

What's revealed? You can't honestly tell me that you haven't seen people at the range who just had a handgun to have a handgun, so they could carry, feel tough about themselves, and show of for their friends.  We're getting a little off topic in the topic, but I would say the majority of people with CCWs don't practice enough at the ranges and times to make them any safer. I'm absolutely and advocate of CCW, but  I think there should be better (not necessarily more) training and testing for people before they're allowed to run around with a handgun, for their safety and the safety of others.

[burleytog]

There's a lawsuit pending in Roanoke, Virginia over the detainment and treatment of a CHP holder who refused to tell police whether or not he was carrying. I know Norfolk Police have already had to pay out to one or two CHP holders who were illegally detained, searched and harassed over lawful carrying.

Most of Norfolk's problems came from harassing an open carrier. 

[Jim Grouch]

It's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

[skunked_again]

I think you might have partially made my point. The last thing anybody wants is for you to reach for your wallet for ID/license and have your concealment garment slip open, and that overreactive Barney Fifer think you're going for your weapon. It's just a situation that could be avoided with some removal of testosterone. But to each his/her own.

this sounds more like a police training issue to me. i assume the police expect to come into contact with CC on a daily basis. the day an officer draws down on a legally armed citizen due to finding out said citizen may or may not be armed should be the officers last day in the field.

JMO

[FishingBuds]

;D

cooperation is what it is fellas, It can't be hidden behind honor or my right, i see it in this thread, and unfortunately that is the same reason why we have a identity issue with us gun holders, proudness eventually gets us all, I've had to be humbled many times, and it takes alot out of ya to admit it and learn from it. Some will never cooperate because they take it it to far on what is mine is mine :

Don't forget some like to argue just to argue, and whats funny is its all talk as we know, cause I'd like to see big bad my rights's guy be asked if he has a weapon, and see if he refuses to answer

[FL Knifemaker]

What's revealed? You can't honestly tell me that you haven't seen people at the range who just had a handgun to have a handgun, so they could carry, feel tough about themselves, and show of for their friends. We're getting a little off topic in the topic, but I would say the majority of people with CCWs don't practice enough at the ranges and times to make them any safer. I'm absolutely and advocate of CCW, but I think there should be better (not necessarily more) training and testing for people before they're allowed to run around with a handgun, for their safety and the safety of others.

And for every knuckleheaded CCW there's a Barney Fifer to balance it out.   Again, most LEO are thorough proffesionals but there are some that I'd prefer to not interact with over a CCW issue.  For me, it would all comes down to common sense on a case by case basis.

[VolFan]

Common sense sometimes ain't so common.

There's certainly no harm in telling Johnny Law that you have your (insert weapon of choice here) on your hip before you take your hand past that hip to reach for your wallet, is there?  No argument and no doubt there' s some Barney Fifes, but he/she's out there doing his/her job,trying to keep the rest of us knuckleheads safe, the least you can do as a legal carrier if you're stopped and have to reach for anything remotely near your wepon is tell them you have it, and the paperwork for it.  If you make afurtive movement for your weapon and he/she plugs you, the court is certainly going to back him/her.

[FL Knifemaker]

Common sense sometimes ain't so common.

There's certainly no harm in telling Johnny Law that you have your (insert weapon of choice here) on your hip before you take your hand past that hip to reach for your wallet, is there? No argument and no doubt there' s some Barney Fifes, but he/she's out there doing his/her job,trying to keep the rest of us knuckleheads safe, the least you can do as a legal carrier if you're stopped and have to reach for anything remotely near your wepon is tell them you have it, and the paperwork for it. If you make afurtive movement for your weapon and he/she plugs you, the court is certainly going to back him/her.

I don't know about you but after 30 years of CCW my CCW isn't that sloppy.  To each his own   :

[VolFan]

What do you mean your CCW isn't that sloppy?

[FL Knifemaker]

What do you mean your CCW isn't that sloppy?

Many tactical shooting classes WITH police and probably hundreds of run and gun comptetitions. Making some sloppy move that would draw fire from a LEO ain't gonna happen

[VolFan]

Then I got no beef with you! 

But you have to admit you are not in the majority of CCW holders or handgun owners.  If you think you are, you're not paying attention at the range, or you have someplace private (God bless you) to shoot and don't go to public ranges.  It's scarily funny...funnily scary...somethng like that, the mishandling, poor handling, horrible muzzle management, etc.

[FL Knifemaker]

Then I got no beef with you!

But you have to admit you are not in the majority of CCW holders or handgun owners. If you think you are, you're not paying attention at the range, or you have someplace private (God bless you) to shoot and don't go to public ranges. It's scarily funny...funnily scary...somethng like that, the mishandling, poor handling, horrible muzzle management, etc.

I shoot at a private range and very well run public one.  Yes, sometimes there have been idiots at the public range.  Sometimes talk to them. If that doesn't work I leave and report them on the way out.  In a situation as we've been discussing, I'll put more faith in my training and gun handling in any situation.  Again, most LEO's are top notch, well trained proffessionals but there's always that odd one that makes me feel I'd be better off trusting my own instincts and acting  accordingly.    

[FishingBuds]

Mostly been fine where i shoot at, found a live 22 round embedded in the sole of my boot once so that means someone wasn't watching their ammunition :

other than that I did turn in a few guys obviously drinking(they was trying to hide it) they was taking turns sitting on there butt shooting a single shot something to see if the recoil would make them roll off their butt :

now this would be a hole other thread

[done]

Common sense sometimes ain't so common.

There's certainly no harm in telling Johnny Law that you have your (insert weapon of choice here) on your hip before you take your hand past that hip to reach for your wallet, is there? No argument and no doubt there' s some Barney Fifes, but he/she's out there doing his/her job,trying to keep the rest of us knuckleheads safe, the least you can do as a legal carrier if you're stopped and have to reach for anything remotely near your wepon is tell them you have it, and the paperwork for it. If you make afurtive movement for your weapon and he/she plugs you, the court is certainly going to back him/her.

I want to stress guys, if you are adhering to the law in the state you are carrying in, do whichever you feel is right.

That being said, for those who do not advocate "Morning officer, I have a Concealed Carry permit and I am carrying x on my person." when being approached by an officer. I don't mean you run to each and every officer, to brag it, but if approached, what is the harm in telling them?

As for the comment of the majority of concealed carry folks being mainly inept, I would say, my experience to date does not reflect that. That being said, I would equate it to driving. There are people who drive every day and prove the existance of a higher power in that they manage to survive without killing people on any given day. There are also those who drive exceptionally well. My experience with CCW has been the same. I have seen MANY who could shoot out the bulleye on a target at 30 ft without any issue. I have also seen a guy point a jammed and loaded firearm at his own face, look down the barrel and whack the back of the gun trying to clear the jam. BTW, he was immediately ejected from the range.

I would say the majority of what I see in concealed carry falls dead center between those extremes. Safe folks, with standard competency, who carry to protect themselves with the hope they never have to use it.

Your experiences may vary but really, I find the majority of the owners I have met to be folks I feel safe carrying around.