MARK McGUIRE

[SPEEDBEAD.]

Sure is nice to have a target to shoot at, eh? How many of your favourite players played on juice? and you just don't know it yet?

It is what it is...cheating...but it's really too bad that some players will go to their graves without anyone knowing that they were juiced and the public will continue to idolize them and demonize the outed guys.

I don't care. What's done is done. I enjoy the game and won't waste my energy on this crap.

TJ

Yet you felt compelled to post about this "crap."    :

Eh...

[panseco]

Sure is nice to have a target to shoot at, eh? How many of your favourite players played on juice? and you just don't know it yet?

It is what it is...cheating...but it's really too bad that some players will go to their graves without anyone knowing that they were juiced and the public will continue to idolize them and demonize the outed guys.

I don't care. What's done is done. I enjoy the game and won't waste my energy on this crap.

TJ

I agree. I love the game and figure that a lot of the players are juiced and have been for a long time.  I have never been a Mac fan nor a Card fan but being the hitting coach is about as ironic as you can get.  What the ..... are they thinking?

[Matt Fly]

There is no way that MLB, Selig didn't know about this.

    Its not the players I dislike as much as management, its the commish that allowed mangers and owners to police this and attempt to cover it up within each teams club house.

  Selig and crew needs to be gone and a new commish needs to give baseball a fresh start.

   

[TimJ]

cart-no, cheating is not a way of life up here.

speed-yeah, I thought about that as I typed that line...oh well, and now I have to respond, too. lol

the players cheated and management knew...they are NOT that stupid. now it's all on the players? c'mon guys...you can dislike whoever you want to but it's turned into a witch hunt. If anyone remembers, McGuire had a bottle of Andro in the open in his locker during interviews. There are pictures around. Gotta be sure that mgmt saw that.

I am not condoning cheating, far from it. I prefer to enjoy today's baseball and, maybe naively, think that the game is clean today. Not sure what else I can say. Enjoy the chat. I'm done.

TJ

[J Francho]

Anyone with kids that are involved in or watches sports can take this new as yet another opportunity to bring up the subject of PEDs, and drugs in general.  Its easier for me, as a parent to tie these discussions/life lessons to a current event.  Otherwise, it sounds like I'm lecturing.

[TimJ]

JFrancho brought up a great point so I had to yap once more. You are so right. Real life attachment to our discussions with our kids makes issues so much clearer for them to see. Now that I've thought about it, this may be the ONLY good thing to come out of this mess. Thanks for reminding me.

TJ

[swilly78]

There is no way that MLB, Selig didn't know about this.

    Its not the players I dislike as much as management, its the commish that allowed mangers and owners to police this and attempt to cover it up within each teams club house.

  Selig and crew needs to be gone and a new commish needs to give baseball a fresh start.

x2  The whole system is bad.  These guys make millions to play a game which mere mortals pay to play.  I just cant bring myself to really care about all this.  Baseball is entertainment, just like any other "pro" sport.  The only difference is the money involved.

[cart7t]

MLB turned a blind eye to the steroid use that created the home run derbies that ran in the late 90's because the turnstiles were finally spinning again in major league parks around both leagues after several years of down attendance after the strike in 1994-95. 

[5bass]

MLB turned a blind eye to the steroid use that created the home run derbies that ran in the late 90's because the turnstiles were finally spinning again in major league parks around both leagues after several years of down attendance after the strike in 1994-95.

Yeah, I dont think steroids were actually BANNED when McGwire was juicin'....were they? They got banned after the fact if I remember right.

I wonder if Jose Canseco is paranoid when he walks down the street? He should be.  ;D

[Gone_Phishin]

MLB turned a blind eye to the steroid use that created the home run derbies that ran in the late 90's because the turnstiles were finally spinning again in major league parks around both leagues after several years of down attendance after the strike in 1994-95.

Yeah, I dont think steroids were actually BANNED when McGwire was juicin'....were they? They got banned after the fact if I remember right.

I wonder if Jose Canseco is paranoid when he walks down the street? He should be. ;D

Sure he does. Everyday when he leaves his home, he looks for stray flyballs. He doesn't want one to bounce off his head and land over the neighbor's fence. Once a ball goes into the old guy's yard, Jose won't be able to get it back.

[5bass]

MLB turned a blind eye to the steroid use that created the home run derbies that ran in the late 90's because the turnstiles were finally spinning again in major league parks around both leagues after several years of down attendance after the strike in 1994-95.

Yeah, I dont think steroids were actually BANNED when McGwire was juicin'....were they? They got banned after the fact if I remember right.

I wonder if Jose Canseco is paranoid when he walks down the street? He should be. ;D

Sure he does. Everyday when he leaves his home, he looks for stray flyballs. He doesn't want one to bounce off his head and land over the neighbor's fence. Once a ball goes into the old guy's yard, Jose won't be able to get it back.

True, but what I was talking about has nothing to do with fly balls. Flying bullets maybe. 

[K_Mac]

I've been thinking about this for the last few days. I am a life-long Cardinal fan. The year McGuire and Sosa raced for the record was a magical time here in St. Louis. I know that sounds naive, but it is the truth for many. Many of us hoped it was just the readily available supplements (e.g. Andro) for muscle growth that were responsible. I agree it was naive, but sometimes you believe what you want to believe. :

With all that said, I believe McGuire should be banned from baseball. I really feel for the guy, but for the good of the game...Pete Rose was mentioned earlier in this thread as someone who worked hard and did it the right way. He did not. He violated the integrity of the game and should never be allowed back in. The hardest thing for me to accept are the ones who have gotten away with cheating and have been, and continue to be, rewarded for it. The blame for that rests squarely on owners and management IMO. They knowingly allowed drug abuse for years. They could have stopped it if they wanted to.

I am still a fan of the game in spite of all the junk. I just can't help myself.

[J Francho]

MLB turned a blind eye to the steroid use that created the home run derbies that ran in the late 90's because the turnstiles were finally spinning again in major league parks around both leagues after several years of down attendance after the strike in 1994-95.

Yeah, I dont think steroids were actually BANNED when McGwire was juicin'....were they? They got banned after the fact if I remember right.

I wonder if Jose Canseco is paranoid when he walks down the street? He should be. ;D

Any illegal drug use is "banned."  These were illegal drugs at the time.

[detroit1]

In my mind, Maris still has the record. McGuire and Bonds, and all those cheaters should be banned from baseball and it's records. MLB should grow a spine and not let the inmates run the asylum. Every player should get tested, and if they don't like it, they can play somewhere else. Salary caps too. I love the game, but HATE the way it is run....later

[Korea_Bassin]

So when do Sammy and Clemens come clean?

[5bass]

So when do Sammy and Clemens come clean?

In my opinion, Clemens has gone way too far with trying to prove his innocence to ever come clean about it. He should've did the same thing Pettitte did. Admit it, apologize and move on.

[Korea_Bassin]

So when do Sammy and Clemens come clean?

In my opinion, Clemens has gone way too far with trying to prove his innocence to ever come clean about it. He should've did the same thing Pettitte did. Admit it, apologize and move on.

True.  Coming clean could mean an indictment for lying to congress for him.

[Tin]

Sammy already had the corked bat issue.