ohioriverrat Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Hell I think they should ALL be REQUIRED to take steroids. It'll put em all back on the same level playing field. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 He was long.lean and muscular; like a real baseball player, i would really be surprised. 500 life time guy both in wins and loses and also in balls and strikes but those 7 No Nos put him in a class by himself! Look again at his stats, year by year. and he was on those texas teams he was team mates with ken caminetti too wasn't he? 1987-1988 they were teamates then ryan wen tto texas and was teamates with canseco et all nolan ryan was the key all along and he's a hall of famer there's your guy if it's anyone canseco is refering to it's nolan ryan it's so obvious.... this is a guy who from age 33-39 didn't lead the league in K's once.... no cy youngs, no mvp's, and at the age of 39 had a 253-226 record... hardly cy young.... then from age 40-46 he led the league in k's 4 times... and got to 324 wins and the hall of fame Quote
Super User J Francho Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Hell I think they should ALL be REQUIRED to take steroids. It'll put em all back on the same level playing field. This is the sentiment of Canseco's book....the league basically created a situation where they felt forced to use. Not totally buying that, but that's what he says. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 He was long.lean and muscular; like a real baseball player, i would really be surprised. 500 life time guy both in wins and loses and also in balls and strikes but those 7 No Nos put him in a class by himself! Look again at his stats, year by year. and he was on those texas teams he was team mates with ken caminetti too wasn't he? 1987-1988 they were teamates then ryan wen tto texas and was teamates with canseco et all nolan ryan was the key all along and he's a hall of famer there's your guy if it's anyone canseco is refering to it's nolan ryan it's so obvious.... this is a guy who from age 33-39 didn't lead the league in K's once.... no cy youngs, no mvp's, and at the age of 39 had a 253-226 record... hardly cy young.... then from age 40-46 he led the league in k's 4 times... and got to 324 wins and the hall of fame I am feeling you John. Ryan has one thing going for him: HIS HEAD DID NOT GROW LARGER! HGH is the preferred PED of this era, used by pitchers A male Human head does not grow much after 21 to 25 yrs old, if at all, unless taking Human Growth Hormone to increase your muscular mass. Take a look at Bonds and Clemens before and after: There heads looked like they doubled in mass(not that both of them didn't have big heads before, a whole other story ) Ryan's head didn't The thing with Ryan is, he really was not a great pitcher,percentage wise nearly identical K's as Walks, nearly a 500 winning percentage He just threw so hard and for so many years it afforded him the time to set the No Hitter Total Quote
Captain Obvious Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Personal I think baseball is releasing the names just to get the media attention and look it works. They have enough names to keep them in the picture for about maybe two years then they'll think of something else. Just hope that none of my Rangers tested positive Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Personal I think baseball is releasing the names just to get the media attention and look it works. They have enough names to keep them in the picture for about maybe two years then they'll think of something else. Just hope that none of my Rangers tested positive Hey Obvious, are you Oblivious: does the name Rafael Palmeiro mean anything to you, he is at the center of the storm! and take a look at this; 16 Rangers implicated, not convicted: http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/dec/13/15-former-texas-rangers-linked-steroids-hgh/ Baseball is trying to suppress this list, via the Union and the owners, why would they leak it? The last thing they want is to be in the news daily with negative publicity. The leaks have been coming from targets of the investigation and reporters! Quote
Captain Obvious Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Hey Muddy Rafael Palmerio was off the Rangers before he was caught. Doesn't mean that he wasn't using them but at least we didn't have him convicted on the team so we don't have the issues that Boston, N.Y., and L.A. have with Big Papi, A-Rod, and Manny And when I said Rangers I meant current ones. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Hey Muddy Rafael Palmerio was off the Rangers before he was caught. And when I said Rangers I meant current ones. When he tested positive he was a Oriole, one of the most famous Rangers ever.He is the only player to hit 200 HR's for 2 consecutive teams, and if Canseco's time line is right( most of it is) he was juicing as a Ranger. check the article I linked, some have been proven since. Quote
Palomar Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Personal I think baseball is releasing the names just to get the media attention and look it works. They have enough names to keep them in the picture for about maybe two years then they'll think of something else. Just hope that none of my Rangers tested positive Hey Obvious, are you Oblivious: does the name Rafael Palmeiro mean anything to you, he is at the center of the storm! and take a look at this; 16 Rangers implicated, not convicted: http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2007/dec/13/15-former-texas-rangers-linked-steroids-hgh/ Baseball is trying to suppress this list, via the Union and the owners, why would they leak it? The last thing they want is to be in the news daily with negative publicity. The leaks have been coming from targets of the investigation and reporters! so where's the benefit for leaking?? where's this all go? Even I will get tired of hearing it, is it a plan to end baseball. Maybe its from another sport that's trying to take fans. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Hey Muddy Rafael Palmerio was off the Rangers before he was caught. Doesn't mean that he wasn't using them but at least we didn't have him convicted on the team so we don't have the issues that Boston, N.Y., and L.A. have with Big Papi, A-Rod, and Manny And when I said Rangers I meant current ones. Several Former Rangers, you look them up, I am tired of doing it for you, have tested positive so let me get this straight A guy holds up 3 banks in New York and is caught 2 years later in New Jersey, so NJ has a bank robbery problem and not NY?? Quote
Captain Obvious Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Current is the Key word I don't see names like Michel Young or Ian Kinsler, Or Neil Cruz The article says Former Rangers not that they weren't taking steroids but if you happen to notice none of them are on the Team any more so ether the rangers really lucked out and just happen to weed out all the users before they were caught or something else. And remember it wasn't illegal for some of those older players to use the drugs at the time they took them. The Fact is that none of those guys play for Texas any more and the most current ones have all been traded you think that was an accident????? Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 of the 103 who tested positive it is estimated some 73 are still involved in the game IT IS SYSTEMIC TO EVERY TEAM! :-/ It stinks in Texas too! Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Hey:Palomar I think a few PO'd reporters had the goods, were rebuffed by MLB and are now getting their ducks in a row and proving their point. There has been some real solid reporting by Lupica, Madden,Gammons, The Sporting News and ESPN ( I wish they wouldn't sream so much) Quote
Captain Obvious Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 Muddy until a current Ranger is caught on the team were still clean. But as soon as one is caught if ever then I'll will personally post a apology to you on the everything else Forum and send you a Lucky Craft Sammy OK??? Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Current is the Key word I don't see names like Michel Young or Ian Kinsler, Or Neil Cruz The article says Former Rangers not that they weren't taking steroids but if you happen to notice none of them are on the Team any more so ether the rangers really lucked out and just happen to weed out all the users before they were caught or something else. And remember it wasn't illegal for some of those older players to use the drugs at the time they took them. The Fact is that none of those guys play for Texas any more and the most current ones have all been traded you think that was an accident????? ! Moving a problem to another team and not addressing you trainers and player and reporting those to the League for discipline is not the way to handle a problem It's like Caesar washing his hands, it does not wash away the guilt! Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Muddy until a current Ranger is caught on the team were still clean. But as soon as one is caught if ever then I'll will personally post a apology to you on the everything else Forum and send you a Lucky Craft Sammy OK??? No it is not Okay, my integrity can not be bought Players move around so much in " the modern game" their dirt sometimes takes a while to catch up with them! PS: The evidence, on record shows that A Rod,Sierra and Palermo all were juicing on the Rangers and they got those drugs from Ranger Trainers. Are any of those trainers still with the team???? Quote
Captain Obvious Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 I'm not trying to buy your integrity just giving you and example of how sorry I'll be if your right, ( IF is key here) And why would the Rangers want to tell on there players the whole reason they are moving them is to avoid that kind of attention. Their not spreading the dirt their picking out the weeds to make a clean team and most of those guys went as free agents. Quote
Captain Obvious Posted July 31, 2009 Posted July 31, 2009 And as for the trainers I don't know but I do know that we did have a lot of changing of the staff this year so it is very possible that the trainers have been moved. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 And why would the Rangers want to tell on there players the whole reason they are moving them is to avoid that kind of attention Their not spreading the dirt their picking out the weeds to make a clean team and most of those guys went as free agents. This is being totally oblivious to the problem of integrity. You do not right a wrong by giving it to some one else.If you know a player is dirty you report it to the league, who in this case were turning a deaf ear to it and the union was standing in the way of testing. If you know there is a drug dealer and a drug user in your neighborhood do you think it is ethical to provide them housing in another community , to put the problem there and clean up your area? If the answer to this is yes, do not bother trying to defend it. Here is an Ethical Response: From our internal investigation we have come to the conclusion that many of our players were using performance enhancers , which were legal at the time. Some of these players have still tested positive and we have reported their names to both the Union and the League Office. We will also be taking internal disciplinary action and will not move these players to another team without first notifying them We have dismissed all the trainers involved and have banned all known providers of these substances from our club house. NOT ONE TEAM DID ANYTHING REMOTELY SIMILAR TO THIS Quote
Super User Grey Wolf Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Muddy until a current Ranger is caught on the team were still clean. But as soon as one is caught if ever then I'll will personally post a apology to you on the everything else Forum and send you a Lucky Craft Sammy OK??? Do you have a personal relationship with some one that plays for Texas ? Just curious why you are defending them so strongly. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Muddy until a current Ranger is caught on the team were still clean. But as soon as one is caught if ever then I'll will personally post a apology to you on the everything else Forum and send you a Lucky Craft Sammy OK??? Do you have a personal relationship with some one that plays for Texas ? Just curious why you are defending them so strongly. His last name is BUSH Quote
llPa1nll Posted July 31, 2009 Author Posted July 31, 2009 Drug use whether it be performance enhancing or recreational it is a problem league wide. To think that any one team is free from having a player break the rules and laws is a little narrow minded in my opinion. Am I disappointed that Red Sox have some dirty players that have been on their staff, yes I am. Notables being Canseco, Manny, Ortiz, and Clemens (although I dont know if he was using back then, but he is a known user). Its a sad day in Red Sox nation however the list just needs to come out in full, and to be made public. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 And remember it wasn't illegal for some of those older players to use the drugs at the time they took them.Anabolic Steroids have been illegal for quite some time.... : Quote
llPa1nll Posted July 31, 2009 Author Posted July 31, 2009 And remember it wasn't illegal for some of those older players to use the drugs at the time they took them.Anabolic Steroids have been illegal for quite some time.... : It may or may not have been in Baseball. However steroids are against the law, I think thats also getting lost here. Quote
Super User Muddy Posted July 31, 2009 Super User Posted July 31, 2009 Can we give this man a big AMEN!!!!!!!! Quote
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