Pete Rose

[flechero]

I despise the dopers and cheaters of today... they broke the rules and in many cases the law, just because rose broke different rules, doesn't change that he did the same thing as the modern day cheaters... he broke the rules and broke the law. (gambling was illegal then and there, yes?) So he's no different than bonds or aroid, etc.. (lower case intentional)

Drugs, gambling, cheating... whatever. Is a corked bat, intentional hit into a double play, point shaving, hitting a batter to get him on base or any other breach of the rules really any different than steroids? Nope, they all are against the rules and are all cheating.

If you ever have any questions, just ask your wives if there are acceptable forms of cheating... ;D

edited to add:  I always like pete rose and used to wish he'd get in the HOF since so many other cheaters will be there but as I've gotten older and gained some perspective, I realize I was off base (so to speak) for a long time.  Adding him doesn't correct the wrongs of other being there.

[Muddy]

Keith I respect that point of view. I still feel that he belongs in the hall of fame, and

>>>Matt you do not know a thing about baseball. Pete Rose is not a role model ( or roll model as you put it) he was among the greatest baseball players.

As of 2007, my last visit ( of many) to the HOF noticed that Pete Rose has the most memorabilia of any one player exhibited at the Hall, and he is not in it. So let me get this right: it is OK to ban him, but it is also OK to use his stuff as a draw to make money? I would rather hang out with gamblers than franchise owners and their bandit commissioner any day.

His son, not he sold those , muscle relaxants ( you work in a hospital if i am correct) that are used as a date rape drug, how is this from the PETE ROSE CAMP????

I did a lot of stuff I am not proud of, my dad bears zero responsibility for my behavior, why should Rose and his kid be any different

Here's the deal: Athletes or famous people should not be granted special favors to get out of jams, but they should also not be judged harsher than the rest of us. How much punishment is enough for someone? The way you hand it out, I hope I am never at your mercy, and when you need mercy I hope you find it from someone more understanding than yourself

[Big T]

Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame and Barry Bonds should have an asterisk beside his name in the record books.

Just my opinion.

T

[Zel]

Is the MLB guilty of a form of hypocrisy?  They got Rose for gambling on baseball.  But the MLB teams up with baseball card companies like Topps.  Topps, for example, over time has marketed and planted special baseball cards like the Be the MVP in NYC instant-win card deal.  Is this not a form of gambling... buying packs of cards in hope of winning one of those special cards?

Personally, at some point I believe Pete Rose will make it into the HOF, because as they say the only sure thing in life is death and taxes (and the occasional resurrection of the Muddy Lake Fork trolling motor story).

[Muddy]

Hey Joe"

[Zel]

Hey Joe"

Hmmmmm... now where have I seen that before LOL.  Isn't it soon time for a Mauch Chunk night bite trip?

[Muddy]

FRI NIGHT??? CALL ME FRI IF NOT FRI NEXT WEEKEND

[Matt Fly]

Clear some things up since I know nothing of baseball.

Pete can no longer be voted in to the HOF by the writers Assoc, that time passed in 2006?   True

Pete's only way in if re-instated, is by being voted in by his peers of the HOF?  actual HOF inductees,  True.

       Joe Morgan, one time HOF committe member said, and I AGREE,

its not what Pete did on the field keeping him out, its the INTEGRITY issue.    

           Seems to me, guys like Carver and others are on record on TV as saying No, period.    

      Two things can happen if Petes re-instated, one that allows him to work in MLB, ie....Manage a team and become eligible for the HOF.

   Got no problem with Pete's peers voting on him getting into the Hall, cause the sampling of active members are strongly opposed to Rose getting in.   Just google the topic, its in black and white to read on current members feelings towards Rose getting in.

Allowing him to manage, I'm against that.   Pete still can be found betting the ponies all the time.   So his gambling problems never went away, even as he petitoned the MLB to re-instate him, he continued to gamble, which is legal, but if you really want back in, you gotta show some remorse, which in my heart, Pete never did or has.

    I know nothing of baseball, but do know it took Pete 14 years to come clean.    Come clean after he has written two books, the first to call Dowd's report a lie and everyone involved a liar.   Rose had best seller then, AND,

    Just after he decided to come clean, his next best seller was released one month after his coming clean.     Pete made $$$$$$ on this best sellar as well.   Well planned, the coming clean and the book.

      THis topic wasn't to debate if what Pete did on the field earned him a shot at Cooperstown, STATS are there, never questioned.

   So knowing what he did on the field played no bearing in the INTEGRITY issues off the field.

Cansecos tell all book made him to be the biggest liar in the world.

Years later, all the names or most of the names he mentioned have all come to be TRUE.    Cansecos book wasn't so far fetched as MLB  balked about or tried to cover up.

Rose said Dowd's report was witch hunt and it was a lie.    Years later, that report was dead on.    Pete's coming clean proves that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but to this day, Rose has not appologized to some of the guys he called liars in his first book.     His second book don't  really show remorse for his actions, but rather made excuses as to why he started gambling to justify why he bet on baseball.

       The only reason I feel he came clean is for shot at the HOF, not cause he was finally remorsefull for his actions,

   And the opportunity to sell more books and sign more autographs at an estimated 20,000 a day according to online sources.

     Now go google current active HOF members and see their opinions on his latest book and his motives.    

     They don't buy it, and it leads me to believe, even if re-instated, the old guys didn't buy it either.    

       

[Tin]

I say we built a Allan Huber "Bud" Selig Hall of Shame where Rose and all the juicers can go.

Criteria for entry: You must have broken MLB records and given baseball a bad name or made a complete *** of yourself.

[flechero]

Pete Rose has the most memorabilia of any one player exhibited at the Hall, and he is not in it. So let me get this right: it is OK to ban him, but it is also OK to use his stuff as a draw to make money?

Great point, I didn't know that since I've never been to the hall. What a double standard. IMO, if he's banned, all of his stuff should be absent of the hall, period.

My problem is with the seemingly so called lifetime suspension, not necessarily the HOF. Right, wrong or indifferent, if he gets reinstated and becomes eligible for the HOF, then that's ok with me.

Here's the deal: Athletes or famous people should not be granted special favors to get out of jams, but they should also not be judged harsher than the rest of us.

I also agree with this... did pete rose know that his gambling could get him a lifetime suspension? (I'm honestly asking if this was a known rule at the time) If so, he made his choice, just like someone who knowingly commits a crime chooses to accept the risk of a prison term.

After waging a legal fight, Rose signed an agreement in which he accepted his suspension but did not admit to gambling on baseball games. He admitted he was a compulsive gambler but said he was guilty only of having a poor selection of friends.

Was looking around just now and came across http://www.answers.com/topic/pete-rose I guess since he singed off on it, he chose the deal. No reason for me to argue for or against his own wishes.

[Muddy]

Clear some things up since I know nothing of baseball.

Pete can no longer be voted in to the HOF by the writers Assoc, that time passed in 2006? True

Pete's only way in if re-instated, is by being voted in by his peers of the HOF? actual HOF inductees, True.

      Joe Morgan, one time HOF committe member said, and I AGREE,

its not what Pete did on the field keeping him out, its the INTEGRITY issue.

           Seems to me, guys like Carver and others are on record on TV as saying No, period.

      Two things can happen if Petes re-instated, one that allows him to work in MLB, ie....Manage a team and become eligible for the HOF.

Got no problem with Pete's peers voting on him getting into the Hall, cause the sampling of active members are strongly opposed to Rose getting in. Just google the topic, its in black and white to read on current members feelings towards Rose getting in.

Allowing him to manage, I'm against that. Pete still can be found betting the ponies all the time. So his gambling problems never went away, even as he petitoned the MLB to re-instate him, he continued to gamble, which is legal, but if you really want back in, you gotta show some remorse, which in my heart, Pete never did or has.

I know nothing of baseball, but do know it took Pete 14 years to come clean. Come clean after he has written two books, the first to call Dowd's report a lie and everyone involved a liar. Rose had best seller then, AND,

Just after he decided to come clean, his next best seller was released one month after his coming clean. Pete made $$$$$$ on this best sellar as well. Well planned, the coming clean and the book.

      THis topic wasn't to debate if what Pete did on the field earned him a shot at Cooperstown, STATS are there, never questioned.

So knowing what he did on the field played no bearing in the INTEGRITY issues off the field.

Cansecos tell all book made him to be the biggest liar in the world.

Years later, all the names or most of the names he mentioned have all come to be TRUE. Cansecos book wasn't so far fetched as MLB balked about or tried to cover up.

Rose said Dowd's report was witch hunt and it was a lie. Years later, that report was dead on. Pete's coming clean proves that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but to this day, Rose has not appologized to some of the guys he called liars in his first book. His second book don't really show remorse for his actions, but rather made excuses as to why he started gambling to justify why he bet on baseball.

      The only reason I feel he came clean is for shot at the HOF, not cause he was finally remorsefull for his actions,

And the opportunity to sell more books and sign more autographs at an estimated 20,000 a day according to online sources.

     Now go google current active HOF members and see their opinions on his latest book and his motives.

     They don't buy it, and it leads me to believe, even if re-instated, the old guys didn't buy it either.

     

Actually there is nothing in the by laws to address such a situation. He was never eligible for consideration, and his name never on a ballot. His lawyer alluded to this 3 years ago, when there was some communication between Rose and the Commissioner's office. It will be a point of law question when and if Pete does get reinstated.

Dowd's investigation took place at a time when Rose was being pressured by organized crime to keep his mouth shut. Truth is I would have kept my mouth shut in such a situation

Rose should be barred from any day to day operations of any team; that is a strong message and yes either you stopped betting or you don't.

He came clean because a deal was made with his bookie, who had ties to organized crime. I think the bookie, protected the crew, by turning against Rose. It was a win , win situation as they both lived and the Government was given the checks ( total set up) and betting records ( which no one keeps).

A lot of pro baseball players bet on single pitches, at bats and so on, it goes on all the time. This does not make it right, Roses problem was his betting Jones could have put him in the pocket of organized crime and old baseball is still wary of another Black Sox Scandal. Rose should be grateful Judge Landis was not involved with this, he would never have a chance at reinstatement

I do not need to google other HOF members or other players because frankly I don't give a rats butt what they have to say. Truth is there are people in the HOF who did far worse than Rose, from being convicted of Domestic Violence to dealing in drugs.

The HOF is a lesser place without Rose's presence

Rose didn't apologize for bowling over Harrelson and every other thing he did, I wouldn't wait for an apology now.

[Muddy]

Pete Rose has the most memorabilia of any one player exhibited at the Hall, and he is not in it. So let me get this right: it is OK to ban him, but it is also OK to use his stuff as a draw to make money?

Great point, I didn't know that since I've never been to the hall. What a double standard. IMO, if he's banned, all of his stuff should be absent of the hall, period.

My problem is with the seemingly so called lifetime suspension, not necessarily the HOF. Right, wrong or indifferent, if he gets reinstated and becomes eligible for the HOF, then that's ok with me.

Here's the deal: Athletes or famous people should not be granted special favors to get out of jams, but they should also not be judged harsher than the rest of us.

I also agree with this... did pete rose know that his gambling could get him a lifetime suspension? (I'm honestly asking if this was a known rule at the time) If so, he made his choice, just like someone who knowingly commits a crime chooses to accept the risk of a prison term.

HE KNEW IT KEITH; DO THE CRIME YOU GOTTA BE WILLING TO DO THE TIME

After waging a legal fight, Rose signed an agreement in which he accepted his suspension but did not admit to gambling on baseball games. He admitted he was a compulsive gambler but said he was guilty only of having a poor selection of friends.

Was looking around just now and came across http://www.answers.com/topic/pete-rose I guess since he singed off on it, he chose the deal. No reason for me to argue for or against his own wishes.

Correct here also, You are the 3rd friend to make the observation in as many days, that just because others are in withsome " morality issues" doesnt make it any more right for him to get it.

[flechero]

Diggin old school ABU Round Reels

Just noticed the sig line!  Greatness!!