Whats Gone Wrong?

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

I don't think Branuss was being mean, he's just saying, this is a forum board with 20,000 members who are,....for the most part......, allowed to voice their opinions. You need to have a certain thickness to your skin if you are going to participate because you won't always agree with everyone and everyone won't always agree with you.

[5bass]

I don't think Branuss was being mean, he's just saying, this is a forum board with 20,000 members who are,....for the most part, allowed to voice their opinions. you need to have a certain thickness to your skin if you are going to participate because you won't always agree with everyone and everyone won't always agree with you.

Yeah, worded just slightly differently, Branuss would have hit a home run with his statement. He had it in the bag but it got away at the last minute.

There's so many people on here that come from different walks of life, it's staggering. People are going to clash, without a doubt. Clashing is fine as long as everyone involved is respectful. Once they cross that line.....well, you know.  

[Branuss04]

I see nothing wrong. If your feelings are that sensitive, you shouldn't be on a online forum anyways.

It shouldn't have to be that way though.

There's been a few kids I've seen get scared away because of grammar problems or asking too many questions.

Alright, so lets start with grammar/spelling -

One of the best tools that distinguishes this forum from all others is the "Check Spelling" link. It's offered to all members, they should use it. If the kid is really that bad at spelling, then maybe our "constructive criticism" might help him at some point.

It has nothing to do with asking too many questions. It has everything to do with bringing up questions that were already discussed on the first page or subjects that have been beaten to death, then beaten again, like somebody asking how to use a Senko. There have been lots of kids on here asking tons of questions. I remember one kid that owned half the thread topics on the first page of the Fishing Tackle forum. Yes, some of it was discussed before, but a majority of it hadn't been discussed in over a year.

I see nothing wrong. If your feelings are that sensitive, you shouldn't be on a online forum anyways.

Ahh! Haaa! This is exactly the point articcatt500 was making. Totally uncool ;D

Your totally uncool <----see, it's a smiley, that means i'm allowed poke at you

But in all seriousness, I think a big part of it is getting to know a members personality. Each person is very unique. I remember when I first joined, Muddy sent me a PM poking at me and giving me a hard time. I thought he was being a jerk, but that's him just being himself ;D . Being new I didn't know any better but now i'm fully aware of everyone's personality .

The mods created a sticky called "Read Me - Before Posting Questions" for a reason, if a member doesn't want to follow directions, we'll call them out on it. This isn't something new that we have been doing, it's been going at least since i've been here. And i'll continue the tradition, and my kids will follow in my footsteps. This isn't done to be mean, to be a a$.s, to single out members, it's meant to help guide these members in the right direction. If we let members "Run Loose", this forum will end up like many other forums :'( and will go down hill quick

Just my .02c 8-)

[Fishing Rhino]

The mods created a sticky called "Read Me - Before Posting Questions" for a reason, if a member doesn't want to follow directions, we'll call them out on it. This isn't something new that we have been doing, it's been going at least since i've been here. And i'll continue the tradition, and my kids will follow in my footsteps. This isn't done to be mean, to be a a$.s, to single out members, it's meant to help guide these members in the right direction. If we let members "Run Loose", this forum will end up like many other forums and will go down hill quick

Here's where I beg to disagree with the above statement.

In my opinion, that is the job of the moderators, not the membership at large.

I do believe there is a "report this post" feature.

If anyone has a problem with a particular post, it should be reported and the mods will handle it as they best see fit.

It's not up to me or anyone else to "call them out". That is the sole domain of moderators.

edit: It's not a "report this post" as I stated earlier. It's "alert moderator".

Sooooo, if you really want to play by the rules ....................

[ArcticCat500]

there's more then 1, I'm not trying to start a war here, I've met great guys on here and have had the pleasure to fish with 2 of them and hopefully more RI'ers to come

But lets take this guy,

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1245877785

OK, so he came off a lil cocky and arrogant, but maybe he too couldn't word things properly, so 99% of those posts were tearing him a new one and forcing him to bail.  I think if you couldn't help him with constructive criticism then why hurt him. This one stuck in my head, some people don't know how to play well with others, and apparently he took this very offensive.

In any event, this isn't the first and I'm sure it wont be the last...bean busting IS what guys do, yeah, boys will be boys...but some take things to far and get carried away, and easily hurt others.

For me?  Bust away I could care less.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

The mods created a sticky called "Read Me - Before Posting Questions" for a reason, if a member doesn't want to follow directions, we'll call them out on it.   This isn't something new that we have been doing, it's been going at least since i've been here.  And i'll continue the tradition, and my kids will follow in my footsteps.     This isn't done to be mean, to be a a$.s, to single out members, it's meant to help guide these members in the right direction.  If we let members "Run Loose", this forum will end up like many other forums   and will go down hill quick  

Here's where I beg to disagree with the above statement.

In my opinion, that is the job of the moderators, not the membership at large.  

I do believe there is a "report this post" feature.  

If anyone has a problem with a particular post, it should be reported and the mods will handle it as they best see fit.

It's not up to me or anyone else to "call them out".  That is the sole domain of moderators.

edit:  It's not a "report this post" as I stated earlier.  It's "alert moderator".

Sooooo, if you really want to play by the rules ....................

Rhino,  I know where you are coming from but I think in time you'll see that one of the biggest reasons this board runs so smoothly is because we have a large % of senior members. These are people we have seen help/guide/straighten out members for us repeatedly. This particular membership makes this particular mods job alot easier and allows us to focus on other things.

Another reason is because we are so adamant that people READ THE RULES before posting. Yes, it is our job to do these functions but if the membership or a quick "read me" can cut that work in 1/2, all the better

[Branuss04]

The mods created a sticky called "Read Me - Before Posting Questions" for a reason, if a member doesn't want to follow directions, we'll call them out on it. This isn't something new that we have been doing, it's been going at least since i've been here. And i'll continue the tradition, and my kids will follow in my footsteps. This isn't done to be mean, to be a a$.s, to single out members, it's meant to help guide these members in the right direction. If we let members "Run Loose", this forum will end up like many other forums and will go down hill quick

Here's where I beg to disagree with the above statement.

In my opinion, that is the job of the moderators, not the membership at large.

I do believe there is a "report this post" feature.

If anyone has a problem with a particular post, it should be reported and the mods will handle it as they best see fit.

It's not up to me or anyone else to "call them out". That is the sole domain of moderators.

edit: It's not a "report this post" as I stated earlier. It's "alert moderator".

Sooooo, if you really want to play by the rules ....................

First off, I don't think it's the "Job" of the members at large nor did I state so.  But I can see where one would assume that.  Just as we members guide/help/direct/push/educate other members on fishing related maters, we also can guide/help/direct/push/educate members on how to better use this forum.  That's all we are doing.

I used to be a moderator/webmaster for a forum that had 250+ active members and I was the sole mod.  I'll tell you what, between my normal life and keeping up with the forum and website, I could hardly keep up at times.  So I can only image what our mods go through with 20,000+ members.  If I can help out by educating our members on rules (i.e. They ask about how to fish a senko, i'll point them to the Senko Sticky), i'll do so.  I'm not going to go out of my way as a mod would, but i'll attach a link, or tell them to do a search for XXX bait.  I'm not going to "Alert the Mod" every time this happens.  They would probably ban me  ;D .

That's cool, we can agree to disagree   ;D

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Boy, an English teacher could have a field day with that post Scott.

u aint lion

[nateobot]

The mods created a sticky called "Read Me - Before Posting Questions" for a reason, if a member doesn't want to follow directions, we'll call them out on it. This isn't something new that we have been doing, it's been going at least since i've been here. And i'll continue the tradition, and my kids will follow in my footsteps. This isn't done to be mean, to be a a$.s, to single out members, it's meant to help guide these members in the right direction. If we let members "Run Loose", this forum will end up like many other forums and will go down hill quick

Here's where I beg to disagree with the above statement.

In my opinion, that is the job of the moderators, not the membership at large.

I do believe there is a "report this post" feature.

If anyone has a problem with a particular post, it should be reported and the mods will handle it as they best see fit.

It's not up to me or anyone else to "call them out". That is the sole domain of moderators.

edit: It's not a "report this post" as I stated earlier. It's "alert moderator".

Sooooo, if you really want to play by the rules ....................

Rhino, I know where you are coming from but I think in time you'll see that one of the biggest reasons this board runs so smoothly is because we have a large % of senior members. These are people we have seen help/guide/straighten out members for us repeatedly. This particular membership makes this particular mods job alot easier and allows us to focus on other things.

Another reason is because we are so adamant that people READ THE RULES before posting. Yes, it is our job to do these functions but if the membership or a quick "read me" can cut that work in 1/2, all the better

Much like my day job.  I have junior employees and more senior ones.  When I hire someone new, I don't always have the time to show them all the ropes, which is where my more senior employees come into play.  If I didn't have them, how could I ever spend time here?  

[BrianinMD]

Personally don't think a little constructive criticism would bother to many people unless they are so immature the help wouldn't work anyway. So, along those lines there is also ways to render the assistance and ways not to. If you as the writer of the criticism doesn't think they are being a jerk doesn't necessarily mean the other person will think the same way, its a fine line.

But will have to say feel free to point out when I do something stupid, again. Only way to get better is to know were you are messing up...

[fish-fighting-illini]

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That's cool, we can agree to disagree ;D

[5bass]

That's cool, we can agree to disagree  

If more people could learn to type this instead of having to argue endlessly it would be a great start.

You're exactly right. Some members just like to get the last word in no matter what. Once you've said what you wanted to say, (respectfully), leave it alone.  

[MitchIsFishin]

BTW, The "Dinkmaster" landed the second biggest bass on the trip.

RW, pics or it didn't happen!

[grimlin]

That's cool, we can agree to disagree

If more people could learn to type this instead of having to argue endlessly it would be a great start.

You're exactly right. Some members just like to get the last word in no matter what. Once you've said what you wanted to say, (respectfully), leave it alone.

I understand where you guys are coming from.

[Maxximus Redneckus]

That's cool, we can agree to disagree

If more people could learn to type this instead of having to argue endlessly it would be a great start.

You're exactly right. Some members just like to get the last word in no matter what. Once you've said what you wanted to say, (respectfully), leave it alone.

I understand where you guys are coming from.

wurd

[Tin]

I hate everyone on BR and wish the Chimmichanga Flu upon them....

;D

[burleytog]

I hate everyone on BR and wish the Chimmichanga Flu upon them....

;D

May you be bitten by 1000 spiders.

[Tin]

I hate everyone on BR and wish the Chimmichanga Flu upon them....

;D

May you be bitten by 1000 spiders.

Dude, I'm going back up there next week and staying in th same cabins...

Hope it isn't mating season.....

[cart7t]

there's more then 1, I'm not trying to start a war here, I've met great guys on here and have had the pleasure to fish with 2 of them and hopefully more RI'ers to come

But lets take this guy,

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1245877785

OK, so he came off a lil cocky and arrogant, but maybe he too couldn't word things properly, so 99% of those posts were tearing him a new one and forcing him to bail. I think if you couldn't help him with constructive criticism then why hurt him. This one stuck in my head, some people don't know how to play well with others, and apparently he took this very offensive.

In any event, this isn't the first and I'm sure it wont be the last...bean busting IS what guys do, yeah, boys will be boys...but some take things to far and get carried away, and easily hurt others.

For me? Bust away I could care less.

Bull hooey.

99% of those posts were not tearing him a new one.  The vast majority of the posts in that thread were guys trying to figure out what he was fishing for in his post.

Are we to pat the poor guy on the head, coddle him and tell him his latest purchase, $950, which is a WHOLE buncha money for a rod and reel was OK?  Did he take food out of a childs mouth to do it?  Is his family going to hurt because of it?  He was obviously feeling buyers remorse but only he can decide for himself if the purchase was right for him.  Getting arrogant and snotty with the membership here because we didn't provide just the right answers to solve his obvious guilt isn't our problem.

He'd have been better off to have posted his question before he made the purchase.  He could've saved himself over $250 doing so by just following some links in that thread.  

He could've gotten some advice and or suggestions for other equipment that's comparable but cheaper.  

You have to sack it up fella, if you're man enough to make the kind of money to spend that much money on a rod and reel you should also be man enough to feel confident in your decision and not go fishing for validation for your decisions.  

[done]

It has more to do with multiple celebs dieing, and a bad economy than anything else. People come here to escape.

Agreed we need to look at the bright side of life these days, and that can be a tall order sometimes. But let's do our best to keep things upbeat and positive here. I think we can all help each other out that way.

Thanks Glenn, now I am going to have that monty python song stuck in my head all day long. LOL.

I have seen this on a couple threads as well. Where folks asked question that to the responders was maybe a little naive but they got blasted for their question. Blasted may be a little to tough a term, but the responses seemed very un-BR like. Maybe they were being sarcastic (online you never can tell).

God knows I have asked some pretty low level questions over the time i have been here. I always got good answers from the folks here, even if they tried to gently tell me to "Go read the article!".  or when they have disagreed with me on a topic they were able to get their disagreement across without tearing a fellow apart. Honest to Gods truth fellas, when i came into this board I had never caught a single LMB out of Lake Wylie. Not one. Thanks to the article on here, the feedback to my stupid questions, the guidance on modifying my boat, I am taking newbies out on a regular basis and having them hit the crud out of the bass. I am fishing smarter, safer (that was a big one), and more effectively than I was the day I signed up. This was because all of you took the time to respond to my good and even more importantly, my "duh" type questions.  I also have significantly modified the way I behave on a ramp thanks to feedback and guidance on ramp etiquette, which is something I know is not easy to stay cool on when discussing.

I would not want BR to be a place where everyone spent their entire time trying to be PC as not to offend the PC police, but if we could all maybe consider our posts a little more maybe refrain if the only retort we have it to tear someone apart, we could refrain.  It does seem they general mood is a little more aggressive than normal.

Anyway, off the soapbox, you are a great bunch of guys on here and I would not want to see a negative mood overwhelm the site. Y'all are too good for that.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

there's more then 1, I'm not trying to start a war here, I've met great guys on here and have had the pleasure to fish with 2 of them and hopefully more RI'ers to come

But lets take this guy,

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1245877785

OK, so he came off a lil cocky and arrogant, but maybe he too couldn't word things properly, so 99% of those posts were tearing him a new one and forcing him to bail. I think if you couldn't help him with constructive criticism then why hurt him. This one stuck in my head, some people don't know how to play well with others, and apparently he took this very offensive.

In any event, this isn't the first and I'm sure it wont be the last...bean busting IS what guys do, yeah, boys will be boys...but some take things to far and get carried away, and easily hurt others.

For me? Bust away I could care less.

Bull hooey.

99% of those posts were not tearing him a new one. The vast majority of the posts in that thread were guys trying to figure out what he was fishing for in his post.

Are we to pat the poor guy on the head, coddle him and tell him his latest purchase, $950, which is a WHOLE buncha money for a rod and reel was OK? Did he take food out of a childs mouth to do it? Is his family going to hurt because of it? He was obviously feeling buyers remorse but only he can decide for himself if the purchase was right for him. Getting arrogant and snotty with the membership here because we didn't provide just the right answers to solve his obvious guilt isn't our problem.

He'd have been better off to have posted his question before he made the purchase. He could've saved himself over $250 doing so by just following some links in that thread.

He could've gotten some advice and or suggestions for other equipment that's comparable but cheaper.

You have to sack it up fella, if you're man enough to make the kind of money to spend that much money on a rod and reel you should also be man enough to feel confident in your decision and not go fishing for validation for your decisions.

That was awesome!!    ;D

I dont really notice a difference from when I joined.  I was a smart arse then, I am one now and I dont anticipate changing anytime soon.

I do agree with Matt (FFI).  There is a lot of "keyboard hiding" that occurs on the internet.  Nature of the beast....

Haha, TheBeast.... ;D

[Muddy]

I have given up posting on other people's music threads, there are youngsters here who have the impression if you do not like their music,you do not like them. That aside I see the usual amount of banter and jabs between many of us who have been here for a while: Depends vs Pampers and the Shemano and Flooger posses. Then there is Long Mikes grammar imput, and while some might think Burley is abrasive, he just jumps in with the funniest posts, at the most serious point, the single funniest fella on the boards.

RW deleted 2 pics I put up of Sophia Loren and Ann Margaret, so i posted one of Loren dressed as a nun, he let the joke stand.

There are certain topics that start, they are always gonna lead to discourse, and the Mods show some patience, even disabled a smilie that we used to put up, anticipating the crap to follow

Look at some other sites, this place is so much better than all the others, that's the Mods , not the members.

We all get to know a few people, and as always, even between fellas who are brothers and friends, crap happens, apologies given and accepted and life goes on

There are a couple of fellas here who put up provocative threads all the time, sooner or later they will get tired of it, as we all are.

My.02

[roadwarrior]

I have given up posting on other people's music threads, there are youngsters here who have the impression if you do not like their music,you do not like them. That aside i see the usual amount of banter and jabs between many of us who have been here for a while: Depends vs Pampers and the Shemano and Flooger posses. Then their is Long Mikes grammar imput, and while some might think Burley is abrasive, he just jumps in with the funniest posts, at the most serious point, the single funniest fella on the boards.

RW deleted 2 pics I put up of Sophia Loren and Ann Margaret, so i posted one of Loren dressed as a nun, he let the joke stand.

There are certain topics that start, they are always gonna lead to discourse, and the Mods show some patience, even disabled a smilie that we used to put up, anticipating the crap to follow

Look at some other sites, this place is so much better than all the others, that's the Mods , not the members.

We all get to know a few people, and as always, even between fellas who are brothers and friends, crap happens, apologies given and accepted and life goes on

There are a couple of fellas here who put up provocative threads all the time, sooner or later they will get tired of it, as we all are.

My.02

I'm just observing this thread, not really contributing, but I have to give a   to Muddy for his overview and insight: "Been there, done that".

[senile1]

Fact 1:  We have new members who occasionally ask redundant questions or who do not read the rules and stickies.  It is useful for senior members to assist them in obtaining information in the most efficient manner (I.E. searching for past threads.)

Fact 2:  We have some senior members who occasionally shoot off their mouths for whatever reason.   I'm not talking about jabs and jokes or rebuttals that are warranted.  I'm talking about arrogant, condescending responses to legitimate, honest questions.  

In my opinion, the responses in Fact 2 are not needed and I think we, as a membership, could do a better job of policing ourselves in this regard.  

[Muddy]

Stick it in your ear ED