Super User Sam Posted June 11, 2009 Super User Posted June 11, 2009 Thursday, June 11, 2009 Sources: At least 21 Bama wins at stake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ESPN.com news services The NCAA will reveal later Thursday that the Alabama football program must vacate victories from 2005 through 2007 that included players who improperly got free textbooks for other students, the Birmingham News is reporting. Alabama could be forced to vacate as many as 21 wins under the watch of former coach Mike Shula and current coach Nick Saban, sources at the university told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach. Citing a source, the News reported the number of wins to be at least 10. The Crimson Tide will not lose future scholarships, according to the News. The university also will be placed on three years' probation and ordered to pay a fine, the newspaper reported. The NCAA alleges the violations began at the start of the 2005 season; the university reported the violations after uncovering them during the '07 football season, when starting linemen Antoine Caldwell and Marlon Davis, running back Glen Coffee and defensive backs Chris Rogers and Marquis Johnson were suspended prior to kickoff against Tennessee. They were suspended for four games and reinstated by the NCAA before the Alabama-Auburn game and the Crimson Tide's bowl game against Colorado at the end of the season. Under NCAA rules, the players would be ruled ineligible from when they first received the "extra benefits" and would have been ineligible until they were suspended and reinstated. The university appeared before the NCAA Committee on Infractions in February and admitted that infractions occurred in several sports, and that it didn't adequately monitor its distribution of textbooks to athletes. It is not clear which additional sports programs at Alabama are affected. The NCAA's ruling will be announced at 3 p.m. ET Thursday. Quote
1inStripes Posted June 11, 2009 Posted June 11, 2009 Rumor has it, its only going to get worse. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted June 12, 2009 Super User Posted June 12, 2009 How 'bout the "Death Penalty" Quote
srv1990 Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 How 'bout the "Death Penalty" My thoughts exactly... I wonder if the same repeated infractions by a school with less of a tradition would result in a harsher penalty : Quote
Super User burleytog Posted June 12, 2009 Super User Posted June 12, 2009 The SEC has to cheat to win.... SUPRISE!!!! While I loathe Alabama, this is hardly an infraction that would result in them winning any games. Quote
bigfish88 Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 Rumor has it, its only going to get worse. thats what i heard man.. Quote
daviscw Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 The SEC has to cheat to win.... SUPRISE!!!! While I loathe Alabama, this is hardly an infraction that would result in them winning any games. I just like to run my mouth. You should know by now Burleyman. Quote
Super User Sam Posted June 12, 2009 Author Super User Posted June 12, 2009 What is funny about this situation is that it revolves around textbooks. As if the football players need textbooks. ;D Quote
1inStripes Posted June 12, 2009 Posted June 12, 2009 I find the story a little odd. I mean, I really didn't know there were textbooks in Alabama at any level. Quote
Super User Chris at Tech Posted June 12, 2009 Super User Posted June 12, 2009 Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks. Although I thoroughly enjoyed what they did in Athens last year Quote
Super User Root beer Posted June 12, 2009 Super User Posted June 12, 2009 They cannnot lose games because bunch players gave textbook to students. Come on, they was just doing charitable work to their fellow students who wasn't on scholarship. It not like they pulled Florida State. : Some people just hate Alabama and will not grow up. Whoever said SEC has to cheat to win. There no cheating involved here, they just gave a textbook to a student who wasn't on scholarship. This kind of thing is highly unrelated to the football field. Quote
daviscw Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 They cannnot lose games because bunch players gave textbook to students. Come on, they was just doing charitable work to their fellow students who wasn't on scholarship. It not like they pulled Florida State. : Some people just hate Alabama and will not grow up. Whoever said SEC has to cheat to win. There no cheating involved here, they just gave a textbook to a student who wasn't on scholarship. This kind of thing is highly unrelated to the football field. Playing with any player that shouldn't be eligible to play is called cheating. Quote
Super User Root beer Posted June 13, 2009 Super User Posted June 13, 2009 They cannnot lose games because bunch players gave textbook to students. Come on, they was just doing charitable work to their fellow students who wasn't on scholarship. It not like they pulled Florida State. : Some people just hate Alabama and will not grow up. Whoever said SEC has to cheat to win. There no cheating involved here, they just gave a textbook to a student who wasn't on scholarship. This kind of thing is highly unrelated to the football field. Playing with any player that shouldn't be eligible to play is called cheating. When Alabama first discovered this, several players were suspended for 4 games. (pretty much the remainder of the season) This kind of infraction has nothing to do with their grades, therefore, doesn't effect the eligibility of their status to play on the gridiron. Oh well, I'll just sit back and watch Alabama football move on when season start September 5th. Anyone know what a Hokie is? :-? Quote
daviscw Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 It does affect their eligibility. When you take thousands of dollars from your University while you are on scholarship you will be suspended. These guys took got free books from their scholarship money and SOLD them to other students. Back to my point, if you have football players that were breaking laws or school rules contributing to wins, (i.e. entering a game at all) that is cheating. It is cheating when you use players to win that should have never been on the field on the first place because of their wrong doings. People are saying on here "Oh, that was nice of them to give out text books." They don't understand that there are thousands of other students not on full scholarship that pay the full price for text books. So here we have football players being given at least $10,000 a year to play football in college, when most of them came from wealthy backgrounds in the first place, and they sell textbooks they got for free. That's not right, and they don't deserve to step a foot on a football field. Quote
Super User Root beer Posted June 13, 2009 Super User Posted June 13, 2009 It does affect their eligibility. When you take thousands of dollars from your University while you are on scholarship you will be suspended. These guys took got free books from their scholarship money and SOLD them to other students. Until you can prove they "SOLD" the books I'm continue to say they gave it out as charity. Yet on Thursday, the NCAA Committee on Infractions imposed no scholarship reductions on the Crimson Tide football team or any of the university's other 15 teams that had 201 players obtain free textbooks for their buddies. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=4252254 I'm looking forward for the team to move on. Saban should have them mentally focus on the task at hand rather than all this negativeness. P.S. If you look at some of Alabama players roster, some of the town they are from are not exactly "wealthy". Some of 'em came from dirt poor neighbor and the scholarship was their only way out. The argument "they came from rich neighborhood they do not need scholarship" is a very old and tiring argument. Quote
daviscw Posted June 13, 2009 Posted June 13, 2009 Bottom line: When you play with ineligible players it is called cheating. You cannot argue that. Quote
Super User Chris at Tech Posted June 13, 2009 Super User Posted June 13, 2009 ...is a very old and tiring... So is Bama's skirting of the NCAA rules for years... Quote
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