holy texas game

[BUCKEYEone]

This game has been amazing!

[Tin]

AMAZING!

[Muddy]

I wish the fans would get off the field so I can get the local news and check my lottery ticket numbers ;D

[5bass]

What a game! I dont think either team deserves a loss in this one.

[Dan:]

Wow. Game ball to Harrell and the offensive line for giving him about a half hour to make each throw.

Again though, are the offenses just that good or do they just not play defense in the Big 12? Not a put down, but it seems that a new strategy is emerging that focuses on creating offenses that score 40 a game to make defense less important.

[BUCKEYEone]

a great game for sure.  I had a wedding to go to today, so this was the only game I got to watch...wow!  I honestly was hoping to see Texas lose just so Joe Pa and Penn State would have a shot at a title game, but I dont think any game the rest of the year will come close to being as good as this one!

[Hookemdown.]

The main goal of football is to outscore the opponent.

I rather win a 71-70 game than lose a game 3-7 any day.

[Bassboy15]

wow what a game

[Matt Fly]

Congrats to the Techies.   Their defensive line won that game in the first half.    They did what Zero U, Mizzou, and OSU didn't do.   Dominate the line of scrimage on both sides of the ball in the first half.

            Texas was the real first test of Tech's season.  

I will be watching Oklahoma State and Tech next week.    That one is gonna be a barn burner as well.

Harrell and Crabtree should be playing on Sunday someday.

Guns Up for Tech.   They earned that one.

Hookem

   

[Grey Wolf]

There's only two things that come from Texas , steer's and a whole lot of offensive football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hookemdown.]

I'm really anticipating the BCS polls...

It'll probably be:

1. Bama

2. PSU

3. Tech

4. Texas

5 Florida

It should be:

1. Tech

2. Bama

3. OU

4. Florida

5. Texas

[Matt Fly]

Hookemdown,

  I didn't think Texas deserved to leap frog over everyone, I said if they beat Mizzou, OSU, and Tech, then they would have gotten there in the end result by winning.

   Same applies to Tech.   Their only real test thus far was a good KU team.    Tech under Leach, has displayed numerous seasons similar in the past.    They were due to beat UT one of these years.   They earned that one last night.    

         Tech will march to the top if they continue to add to their resume.    Beating OSU and OU will earn them the south crown and a shot at the Big XII crown.  Something they have never done before.

Texas' biggest mistake beat them in the end.    Colt should have went down inside the ten with a couple of minutes to play after getting the first down, instead, he ran out of bounds, stopping the clock.   UT left too much time on the clock.

      A simple mistake in my book cost UT the game in the end.

[Dan:]

do they just not play defense in the Big 12? Not a put down, but it seems that a new strategy is emerging that focuses on creating offenses that score 40 a game to make defense less important.

Texas has allowed 10.75 per game in non-conference and 27.4 in the Big 12.

Tech has allowed 16 points per game in non-conference and 27.6 in the Big 12.

Looks to me as though the Big 12 defenses work just fine on ALL of the other conferences..........and, of course, their offenses are working even better than that. :-/

Non-conference games? everybody's defense stinks?

Texas-

Florida Atlantic (3-5) , UTEP (3-5), Arkansas (4-5) , and Rice (6-3) .

Texas Tech-

Eastern Washington (3-5 FCS), Nevada (4-4), SMU (1-8), and Massachusetts (6-3 -FCS).

So Texas' non conference opponents are a combined 16-18 and Texas Tech's are 14-20 (more than half of those wins were by FCS teams against other FCS teams)

With those opponents, I'm surprised these two top ten teams allowed even 10.75 and 16 points to be scored against them...

[Hookemdown.]

If the BigXII champ doesn't get into the NCG, something isn't right.  It's wide open right now, everyone and their mother still has a shot to win the south.

The team that is playing the best right now is Florida.  Their win over Georgia was mighty impressive.

[Dan:]

D-Dan,

I'm still unsure of your stance. There is obviously a huge scoring gap between what the Big 12 can do to eachother, and what the Big 12 can do to others. (granted the others aren't contenders, but how many truly are....)

You said, "Everybody's defense stinks?" and then you show me a huge list of really cruddy teams with really stinky defenses.

If you subtract the losses recieved from Tech and TX in the opponent's records, those opponents win/loss ratio would swing 8 games immediately. Usually you exclude, or isolate the constants when studying unknown variables. Suddenly, you go from 30-38 to 30-30. If this were a scientific study, SMU's sorry butt would be excluded as an outlier that skews results (and has been blackballed for years and years and plays absolutely no part in absolutely no standings)

Leaves you with a 29 - 21 combined opponent record .............pretty good opponents. All about perspective.       8-)

b

And 9 of those wins come from the FCS teams that Tech played. I haven't looked through but those teams wins but I don't think it would be out of line to expect them to be over other FCS teams. And another 6 are Rice's wins over teams that would lose to some FCS teams. Overall, I think it's pretty clear that both Texas and Tech have very weak non-conference schedules.

If you look at Tech's games against other Big 12 teams, they have allowed an average of 26 points.

Against Big 12 teams, Texas has allowed an average of 28 points.

All I'm saying is that against teams that can be considered at or above average (which for these two teams, only their Big 12 opponents are really any good), neither Texas nor Tech has shown very good defense. You could argue that is because the rest of the Big 12 has good offenses but with the exception of 3 or 4 teams they just don't.

[Hookemdown.]

You could argue that is because the rest of the Big 12 has good offenses but with the exception of 3 or 4 teams they just don't.

How about "great" offenses?

Comparison between SEC and Big XII offenses by total yardage.

National Rank: (Tulsa is #1)

#2 Texas Tech - 5034

#3 OU - 4845

#4 Mizzou - 4627

#5 Oklahoma St. - 4608

#6 Texas - 4266

#16 Kansas - 4010

#18 Nebraska - 3987

#21 - Georgia - 3848

#23 Kansas St. - 3764

#35 Baylor - 3415

#40 Ole Miss - 3394

If Big XII offenses aren't that good, then everyone else is terrible.

[Dan:]

[quote author=193E3E3A343C353E263F510 link=1225597609/10#17 date=1225678007

If Big XII defenses aren't that good, then everyone else is terrible.

[Hookemdown.]

I meant "offenses" not "defenses".

[Hookem]

Congrats, ttu!

[Dan:]

Alright, what if Texas and Oklahoma win the rest of their games (meaning Texas Tech loses to Oklahoma). Then you have 3 teams in the Big 12 south that have one loss and each loss is to a different team (Texas lost to TT, Oklahoma lost to Texas, and TT lost to Oklahoma) then who goes to the Big 12 championship?

[Hookemdown.]

Alright, what if Texas and Oklahoma win the rest of their games (meaning Texas Tech loses to Oklahoma). Then you have 3 teams in the Big 12 south that have one loss and each loss is to a different team (Texas lost to TT, Oklahoma lost to Texas, and TT lost to Oklahoma) then who goes to the Big 12 championship?

1.  If two teams are tied, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative

 

2. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 7 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the game between the two tied teams shall be the representative.

     

        1. The records of the three teams will be compared against each other

        2. The records of the three teams will be compared within their division

        3. The records of the three teams will be compared against the next highest placed teams in their division in order of finish (4, 5 and 6)

        4. The records of the three teams will be compared against all common conference opponents;

        5. The highest ranked team in the first Bowl Championship Series Poll following the completion of Big 12 regular season conference play shall be the representative

        6. The team with the best overall winning percentage [excluding exempted games] shall be the representative

        7. The representative will be chosen by draw.

If Tech loses at OU and then everyone wins out, OU has the highest shot of being the highest ranked Big 12 team.

[Pencil Pusher]

If OU and Texas win out, Tech is beaten by Oklahoma and wins against OSU and Baylor then it will all come down to number 5. At that point I think it will be a toss up as to which team is ranked higher.