The worst fans in baseball

[roadwarrior]

Is it ever over?

Guess what? It's football season!

[Muddy]

Is it ever over?

Guess what? It's football season!

Yea have fun with your 16 games RW, we have 162, playoffs and spring training. On the few weeks there is no ball here it is in Central America and PR, on rainy days we argure :-/

[pokey]

Muddy, I am only 31 yrs. old but speaking of 1986. That was my first year really watching baseball. What a heartbreaking way to start a life of loving the Red Sox.It is a wonder how I was able to still cheer for them all these years.You'll start things off better with the Mets in a new stadium.

[FD.]

First of all I meant no disrespect to Hokem or Tin, personally. I was making an statement based entirely on what I have seen at the Trop and I appologize if you were offended.

Due to our low attendance (so well documented by people here who have no idea of how sell outs happen) I have had the unique experience of watching large crowds of opposing fans and their behavior. For many years there were two things you could count on at a Rays/Sox game. The Rays were going to lose, and a bunch of Sox fans were going to jail. You don't see this on TV but win or lose, they were going to drink to much, get in someones face and wind up with a new pair of bracelets. Now I know this happens at all stadiums but it appears much worse with Boston fans as compared to Chicago or even New York.

Also I have had to listen to local Boston fans on local talk shows tell us how "die hard" the Red Sox Nation is and how baseball knowledgeable they are and that they NEVER desert their team. I just thought it was funny that they showed their true colors on national TV last night.

[Muddy]

Hey Pokey, before my father passed away he recalled times he took me to Ebbet Field, I was 6 when the Dodgers moved, and I have no memory of this.

 My first recollection comes from 1962,with my Met's you wanna talk starting with a heart break we lost 120 games that year. I still love them and always will.

The 86 series was handed to us by McNamara for pitching Shiraldi, who you got from us in the first place. If you watch the films you could see the fear on his face. You have a storied team and a park to go with it, you have a lot to love 8-)

[Muddy]

Hey Pokey: the South is the land of football, that's why franchises , except for Texas have such a hard time there.

When I lived in New Orleans the Pirates had a farm club there, the season was less than 60 games so for 30 games they needed to fill the park with 800 to survive, THEY DIED and moved elsewhere. At the same time the SUPERBOWL sold out for the STATE HS CHAMPIONSHIP FOOT BALL GAME, not all parts of the country still watch baseball s we do

The Rays, have the manager of the year in the AL and a bunch of hard hitting kids who are bullet proof, they believe they can win and for my money, as a devote NL fan they are fun to watch

[Hookemdown.]

Average Attendance at Fenway

1980-1995 in descending order:

30,061

27,747

29,901

30,476

31,635

31,222

30,988

30,430

27,894

26,514

22,057

20,514

22,004

24,076

20,007

Every average is above Tropicana Field.

[FD.]

Muddy, I agree.  The history of baseball is rooted mostly in the northeast.  We have Friday night HS football games that draw nearly 15k fans.  I think the lack of attendance in the south is affected by many more options competing for the discretionary dollars of fans.

Another reason, at least for me personally, I spend 3-4 nights a week and most of the day on Saturday from mid October through May at little league fields watching my kids play.  So I'm ready to be in my lazyboy instead of the bleachers by the time the pros get started

[pokey]

1980-1995 average attendance 26,750(almost 10,000 more than the rays).We've won 6 world series in the last 100yrs.

Muddy, alot of credit to the Rays manager(easy manager of the year), and for the Rays they just don't feel any pressure. If they get by us I am definately cheering them on

[FD.]

Average Attendance at Fenway

1980-1995 in descending order:

30,061

27,747

29,901

30,476

31,635

31,222

30,988

30,430

27,894

26,514

22,057

20,514

22,004

24,076

20,007

Every average is above Tropicana Field.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

TB averaged 22,259 with a season ticket base of around 6k which means that walk up sales averaged about 16K per game.  Not bad for a team that had 10 crappy seasons in a row.  Not to mention the previous ownership group were probably the worst in MLB history and repeatedly snubbed the fans at every opportunity.

[Muddy]

I gotta say this to PitchinKid and Fishin Daddy;

We have had a baseball thread, talking trash here for 2 years now in the sticky section. We have found a way of talkin trash, bustin on each other, even makin fun out of our own teams, Without gettin ugly with each other, you may want to look at those threads.

[Daniel My Brother]

Something to consider when talking about attendance:

3,300,000+ people call Boston home.

550,000+ people live in Tampa & St. Pete.

That along with the fact that it's a young franchise that hasn't won anything and has no national following, and the attendance figures for the Rays sound about right.

The only way you're going to sell-out games without winning anything is by renaming your team the Chicago Cubs.

[Muddy]

I guess I'm allowed to have an opinion here, as long as I agree with everyone else.

Muddy, my first post here today included an apology which appears to have been ignored.

Hey Dawg you can work it out. Me off all people who has made every mistake and buffon move you can on a forum, and had to make mondo apologies to get back here knows this lesson well. I still get timely prompts from Glenn . Keep at it, respect others, and learn that a lot of fellas have opposing views to you, it isn't all that important

I PM'd you, if you want a hand I can share my sorry experience with you

T

[Tin]

Something to consider when talking about attendance:

3,300,000+ people call Boston home.

550,000+ people live in Tampa & St. Pete.

That along with the fact that it's a young franchise that hasn't won anything and has no national following, and the attendance figures for the Rays sound about right.

The only way you're going to sell-out games without winning anything is by renaming your team the Chicago Cubs.

And that Fenway Park can only hold 37,500 at most. If was a larger stadium like a Yankee or Shea that hold 57k, it wouldn't sell out everytime, but it would be close. Anyone who has ever been to Boston on any game day or night knows what the whole city is like.  Scalper's make a good living, they can get just about whatever they want for tickets. Playoff tickets for the divisional series can go for thousands. I was able to go to the Fenway Opener the year after they won the World Series and were giving out the rings and hanging the banners. We had standing room only tickets that retailed for $20 but were selling on ebay and such for around a grand, and we didn't even have seats!!!

[Gone_Phishin]

I was going to stay a quiet observer, but this is getting silly.  Who cares about attendance, on either side.  Also, it is our right, short of obscene language, to say what we want about a team or its fans.  Look how much I've dug on the cubs this year.  Did I mean it personally to Burley?  No.

Let's all just settle down and enjoy the game we live for.  It's the LCS for cryin' out loud.

[fish-fighting-illini]

1st base: Have to think on this one

2nd base: Ryne Sandberg

3rd; Brooks Robinson or George Brett

ss Cal Ripken jr

Catcher : Johnny Bench

Pitchers: The one and only Bob Gibson!,,Kofax

Outfielders, Micky Mantel, Clemente, Babe Ruth, Lou Brock

Muddy only you would have come up with the Mookie/ mook angle

that was priceless!

FFI - AKA Matt Crum

[Dan:]

If anyone thinks baseball is a kid's sport, I challenge you to try to go .250 against even a good HIGH SCHOOL pitcher....

They've said that hitting a pitch is one of the hardest things to do in sports, and I couldn't agree more. Most people who talk trash about baseball being easy have never picked up a bat after little league...

[Pitchinkid]

A word to all, nothin i typed on here was said in hate or dislike, i smiled and laughed during every comment i made and was made to me, so for eveybody getting mad or upset at this thread , calm down, its all in fun, grow up, and have a great day. ;D

[Hookemdown.]

I'll give the Rays credit , they kicked our butt again.

[pokey]

They &*%$#@* own us!!!!!!!!! Feel sorry for the Phillies. Rays seem to be a team of destiny. Joe Madden = easily manager of the year,maybe decade!!!

[Grey Wolf]

Baseball is a game of streaks , you just hope your team is in a hot streak when the play offs roll around.

[atx_newbie]

If anyone thinks baseball is a kid's sport, I challenge you to try to go .250 against even a good HIGH SCHOOL pitcher....

They've said that hitting a pitch is one of the hardest things to do in sports, and I couldn't agree more. Most people who talk trash about baseball being easy have never picked up a bat after little league...

This is true, batting is difficult.  I had to quit because my golf swing made my baseball swing too long, and I couldn't get ahead of any pitches.  That being said, baseball is the only sport where you can succeed every third time and be called a great.  Imagine if your team's QB only complete 3 for every 10 passes he threw.  Or a professional golfer only hitting 6 greens every round.

Not knocking baseball players, anyone who is at that high a level in their field has obviously worked very hard and is very talented, but the sport doesn't require much athleticism.  The pitcher, yeah.  After that, not so much.  And I did play baseball as a first baseman for 7 years.

[atx_newbie]

Baseball is a game of streaks , you just hope your team is in a hot streak when the play offs roll around.

That is one thing that drives me crazy about watching baseball games.  When I'm watching my teams lose in football, or when my soccer team that I play on is losing, I never feel like it's out of reach.  I can always step up, suck it up, play harder, and impact the game.  That just doesn't seem to be the case in baseball.

[Hookemdown.]

Baseball doesn't require athletisism. ;D

I've played three positions in my life.  CF, 3B, anc catcher.

Have you ever croutched for four hours?  Ever covered center field?  Ever snagged a hit deep in the hole and made a strong thrown to first?

You don't have to cover T.O. or run around for hours like in soccer, but baseball still requires a lot of athleticism to play competitively.

Tampa's ability to steal bases anytime they wish is an example of this.

[roadwarrior]

Not knocking baseball players, anyone who is at that high a level in their field has obviously worked very hard and is very talented, but the sport doesn't require much athleticism.

I guess you're just trying to get a rise out of the boys,

but that is one of the most ridiculous statements ever

made. Hitting a major league pitch is the most

difficult accomplishment in all of sports.

8-)