Makes Me Sick

[Grey Wolf]

I grew up in WV in the fifties and sixties , you should have been there , you wouldn't be yelling so much now. Your rose colored glasses would have cracked.

Sorry to break this to you. Thank God things have started to change over racial equality.

I completely understand what you're saying. Racism was prevalent and abundant. However, you can't pin down mistakes of the past on an event which did not happen.

Our Governor issued a statement today demanding that the makers of the movie apologize, and declare that particular scene in the movie as fictional.

It's all politics what your Gov. is doing . Blacks were not allowed to play for WV at that time. Nobodies going to admit to being a racist 48 years ago.

[Tin]

Just another thing being blown way out of proportion..... :

As if we don't have enough problems right now, this is what your state is focusing on?

Troutfisher, I'm not siding one way or the other, but in history every group/state/country has been wrong, has done something wrong, or taken part in something they are not proud of. It's just the way things go.

[Troutfisher]

It's useless to sing to a deaf man

The president of Iran asked the US to aplogize for aggression against his country, I don't expect that made the claim true and I would not hold my breath on that apology either. I see a bit of state pressured censorship here.

Hey hey now, just trying to make my point.  8-)

I'm just saying that an event that never happened shouldn't be plastered around for the whole nation to see, regardless of the race issue.

[Grey Wolf]

Why do you insist it never happened ?

[Muddy]

There are actually some players who said it happened and some who didn't. I think we should wait until it airs and see if they show how racisim peremated all the teams including his own.

[The Unabasser]

I live in this area where he grew up and have actually been to his gravesight but thats a diff story...last night they showed the movie locally

The Express Gets Rave ReviewsReported by: Raegan Medgie

Email: RMedgie@wetmtv.com

Last Update: 10/09 11:47 pm

                 

Movie Gets Two Thumbs Up (AP)

Elmira Heights - Many neighbors in the Southern Tier got a sneak preview of a movie the Hollywood Reporter magazine says is "an emotional touchdown in this sturdy, factual football drama." Your neighbors couldn't agree more. People poured out of The Heights Theatre Thursday night around 9:30 right when the movie ended.

[ch8220]The Express[ch8221] is based on the life of Elmira native Ernie Davis who is considered one of the greatest college football players. Ernie graduated from Elmira Free Academy and went on to play for Syracuse University. He led the team to its only championship and became the first African-American to win the Heisman Trophy. But Davis died of leukemia before he ever got a chance to play pro ball.

"It will do well. And it's a good movie for the kids to see." said Tom Wolf.

"I want to be just like him when I get older. Play football, win the Heisman." said Nasir Dixon.

"It changed the way I thought of EFA, Ernie Davis, and playing football. It's a great inspiration for everyone." said Ryan Wheeler.

"He was a great man and he had to go through great difficulties in his life." said Cody Hathaway.

[ch8220]The Express[ch8221] premieres nationwide Friday.

[J Francho]

Hey hey now, just trying to make my point. 8-)

I'm just saying that an event that never happened shouldn't be plastered around for the whole nation to see, regardless of the race issue.

Great, I'll build a fire, and you bring the books  :

This is where censorship starts.

[Dan:]

Hey hey now, just trying to make my point. 8-)

I'm just saying that an event that never happened shouldn't be plastered around for the whole nation to see, regardless of the race issue.

Great, I'll build a fire, and you bring the books :

This is where censorship starts.

I don't get it?

[Muddy]

Hey hey now, just trying to make my point. 8-)

I'm just saying that an event that never happened shouldn't be plastered around for the whole nation to see, regardless of the race issue.

Great, I'll build a fire, and you bring the books :

This is where censorship starts.

I don't get it?

I think it is a refrence to a novel called Fahrenheit 451 . A novel about how in the future state sanctioned censorship leads to the burning of books that the government deems offensive. The books are thrown into huge bonfires and the burning point of paper is 451f

Sorry I had to go ge the date of Publication

Bradbury wrote it in 1947, his intent was to warn people taking to the new invention of TV that society eventually would loose it's ability to read. In F451 it becomes illegal to read period and the books are burned. Many people since have taken this work to be about censorship

I find it somewhat amusing that some people who are so staunchly in defense of our rights to bear arms are so fliipint about other guarenteed constitutional rights among them FREEDOM OF SPEECH

[Dan:]

Hey hey now, just trying to make my point. 8-)

I'm just saying that an event that never happened shouldn't be plastered around for the whole nation to see, regardless of the race issue.

Great, I'll build a fire, and you bring the books :

This is where censorship starts.

I don't get it?

I think it is a refrence to a novel called Fahrenheit 451 . A novel about how in the future state sanctioned censorship leads to the burning of books that the government deems offensive. The books are thrown into huge bonfires and the burning point of paper is 451f

Sorry I had to go ge the date of Publication

Bradbury wrote it in 1947, his intent was to warn people taking to the new invention of TV that society eventually would loose it's ability to read. In F451 it becomes illegal to read period and the books are burned. Many people since have taken this work to be about censorship

I find it somewhat amusing that some people who are so staunchly in defense of our rights to bear arms are so fliipint about other guarenteed constitutional rights among them FREEDOM OF SPEECH

No, I know about the burning book reference but I don't see how that applies in this case concerning whether a movie is accurate or not...

[Muddy]

The young man who posted this is claiming the Gov Of WV wants the questionable scene cut from the movie, and the young man is supporting that view. The same young man who fights, as i also belive is right for our right to bear arms, I guess he doesn't think the whole constitution is equally important = STATE SPONSORED CENSORSHIP!

[Dan:]

It's not censorship though. He's arguing that the scene is fictitious. Asking to apologize for a false detail in a movie is more like accusing them of slander or just historical inaccuracy than anything else.

[Muddy]

It's not censorship though. He's arguing that the scene is fictitious. Asking to apologize for a false detail in a movie is more like accusing them of slander or just historical inaccuracy than anything else.

 It's an attack on free speech that should nopt be honored,. This is how it starts.

[Troutfisher]

It's not censorship though. He's arguing that the scene is fictitious. Asking to apologize for a false detail in a movie is more like accusing them of slander or just historical inaccuracy than anything else.

My point exactly.  Not starting anything here, just reaffirming an aforementioned point.

[Muddy]

You started it by posting it ;D

[Troutfisher]

I was just pretty darn upset when I first heard about this and vented all over the place. Muddy, I've got some advice.

Take da canoli, and leave da gun.

8-)

[Muddy]

You can't protect yourslef with a canoli

ps That's ther single funniest line in the Godfather, especially since it comes from Clemenza's mouth. ;D

[Troutfisher]

No, but can you protect yourself with a...

Trolling Motor?

Had to say it  ;D

Alright, I'm out for the evening.

[Tin]

No, but can you protect yourself with a...

Trolling Motor?

Had to say it ;D

Alright, I'm out for the evening.

Oh snap, that could be the first Tolling Motor/Muddy joke I have heard since his return.

[Dan:]

The purpose of the Constitution and the Amendments is to protect the people from the government. The 14th Amendment applied those protections from state governments in addition to the federal government. Slander or libel is NOT protected under the Amendments, and certainly a request for an apology from a movie studio for historical inaccuracy (whether real or perceived) does not infringe on free speech and is not an abuse of power by the state government.

[Muddy]

That is your take on it. Like the pro gun lobby, wh has fought every bit of gun control, with the idea that any chipping away or threat that is institued is a threat, I believe this is a threat and the beggining of a full assault on free speech . A government official wants to have an author, using an artisitic tool to apologize because some people arer saying an event never happened. WITHOUT EVEN SEEING THE MOVE

Some people who were there alos told the authors it happened.Yhe origianl poster has yet to see the movie

 Movies have an iherent problem, due to time constraints. They have to capture a feeling of a time and a lot of movies do bend the sequence of events, and some people have a canary when this happens

 Wake Island,Pearl Harbor, Saving Private Ryan, Bang the Drum Slowly, JFK and Saving Private Ryan, all had areas orf the movie that some groups were angry at. Did those mooives tell a story and depict a feeling of the times that the movie produer/director show, yes . Was it 100 % factual: who kniows? THESE ARE FILMS BASED ON A TRUE STORY , not DOCUMENTARIES, whcih have a whole different criteria.

If the Movie is like some Jackie Robinson, and shows the racist enviroemt of the time, From Jackies own teamates and country wide, then it maybe an accurate portrayal. I will leave that until I ACTUALLY SEE THE MOVIE

The real idea of the Gov. and original poster is to keep people from even going to see the movie.

Can the origianl poster,for that matter cite the article so I can read that?

[Grey Wolf]

The bottom line is that they are trying to sweep it under the rug and save face. By saying it didn't happen is just a bald face lie.

This is no differant than some idiot trying to be politially correct. We should end this discussion before the soap boxes get too high and somebody falls off.

[Muddy]

Thanks Bass Brat, you  are correct. Everything I can state has been said, time to leave this one alone.

[Dan:]

None of this matters because I do not believe the movie is portraying a false point. They wanted to show that the environments were racist, and I believe even if nobody yelled anything at that game, there were plenty of racists in the stands in each state. But legally this is no where close to censorship. There are plenty of cases where the court has determined free speech is limited in certain circumstances, especially if it's allegedly false statements against someone.

[Grey Wolf]

Last word.