Speaking of NASCAR and Toyota....

[=Matt 5.0=]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-gibbscheating&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Catt]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AiHODt32Cae2U1kD1Z9Tbg3ov7YF?slug=jb-gibbs081708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Matt Fly]

 Never thought I'd associate Joe Gibbs and cheating in the same sentence.

     That one kind of leaves me floored.

[Grey Wolf]

Some of the good ole boys want to win no matter what. I'm just curious if any heads are going to roll.

[Matt Fly]

Just look back at the suspensions and fines administered to the last few teams that got caught.

  Gonna be some crew chiefs on vaccations for at least 6 weeks along with some hefty fines.

   Gibbs racing has won 14 of 25 NNCS races this year.    ???????  

[Catt]

Never thought I'd associate Joe Gibbs and cheating in the same sentence.

     That one kind of leaves me floored.

I think NASCAR should remove all the wins since what they did the drivers had to know but I read the penalties were not going to be as stiff as what NASCAR did to Carl Edwards. Apparently NASCAR is going to address this one incident since they have no proof it happened in the other 24 races.  

[Olebiker]

You know, I would get more upset with the Gibbs operation if it were not for the fact that NASCAR already effectively penalized Toyota for producing more horsepower than the Ford or Chevy engines.  In dyno tests last month the Toyotas were producing 20+ more horsepower than the competitors.

So what did NASCAR do, they created a new rule designed to introduce an artificial parity between engines.  Why not just encourage the domestic builders to build an engine that can compete with the Toyota?

[Pencil Pusher]

First, let me make it perfectly clear that I do not condone what JGR crew members did. However, this has absolutely nothing to do with the engine set up for qualifying, practice or the races. They were trying to show less horsepower during a dyno test. Only an idiot would think that the race team would want to reduce horsepower during the races. I do not agree that owner or driver points should be taken away. Fine the pants off of 'em but don't penalize the drivers for a stupid move by some doofus in the garage for something that has nothing to do with the racing.

[tyrius.]

You know, I would get more upset with the Gibbs operation if it were not for the fact that NASCAR already effectively penalized Toyota for producing more horsepower than the Ford or Chevy engines. In dyno tests last month the Toyotas were producing 20+ more horsepower than the competitors.

So what did NASCAR do, they created a new rule designed to introduce an artificial parity between engines. Why not just encourage the domestic builders to build an engine that can compete with the Toyota?

I'm with olebiker on this one.  While they're at it they should get rid of the term winner and just call everyone a finisher and let them all have their victory laps.  

I'm not much of a Nascar guy but, it seems awfully lame that an advantage is gained within the current rules and instead of complimenting the team for winning they change the rules to promote mediocrity.

Maybe since the Cubs are winning so much this year MLB should change the rules to require them to all bat left handed.   :

[Catt]

Excuse me but someone needs to actually read what the infractions were before making commits in public about someone being idiots.

NASCAR inspectors found magnets under the gas pedals of the No. 18 and No. 20 Toyota's when the cars were sent to the chassis dyno following Saturday's race at Michigan International Speedway.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/rumors/post/Gibbs-racing-caught-cheating-in-Nationwide-serie;_ylt=Aqn.ThGHP6H3Rx45oggW1gZE4cIF?urn=nascar,101474

[Catt]

Y'all need to get into NASCAR a little more each year one manufactory or the other is ordered to limit horsepower, it just happened to be Toyota this year but it has been Ford, Chevy, & Dodge in the past. Heck it's even been individual teams

[tyrius.]

Y'all need to get into NASCAR a little more each year one manufactory or the other is ordered to limit horsepower, it just happened to be Toyota this year but it has been Ford, Chevy, & Dodge in the past. Heck it's even been individual teams

My father in law watches it all the time and I just can't get interested in it.  I don't really care who the team or manufacturer is, it seems odd to limit them because they are TOO successful.  Isn't that the whole point of a racing series, to BE successful?

[Turtle.]

Y'all need to get into NASCAR a little more each year one manufactory or the other is ordered to limit horsepower, it just happened to be Toyota this year but it has been Ford, Chevy, & Dodge in the past. Heck it's even been individual teams

My father in law watches it all the time and I just can't get interested in it. I don't really care who the team or manufacturer is, it seems odd to limit them because they are TOO successful. Isn't that the whole point of a racing series, to BE successful?

I'm with catt on this one

Specifically, the rule change requires engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more to run a tapered spacer with four holes measuring 1.100 inches each in diameter, compared with the 1.125-inch holes previously required. Toyota engines currently are the only ones in use in the Nationwide Series that feature a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more.

NASCAR's intent with the rule change is to balance competition. Toyota has won 14 of 21 Nationwide races this season, with cars fielded by Joe Gibbs Racing accounting for 13 victories. The No. 20 JGR Camry has won nine times, with four different drivers behind the wheel.

Toyota, which debuted in the Sprint Cup and Nationwide series simultaneously last season, has its new engine package in place in NASCAR's "Triple-A" league. Eventually, NASCAR expects Chevrolet, Ford and Dodge to follow suit and upgrade their engine packages in the Nationwide Series.

"Eventually, all teams that upgrade to new engine packages will be subject to this rule modification," NASCAR vice president of competition Robin Pemberton said Wednesday in a release describing the rule change. "Over the years in our sport, we've taken steps on numerous occasions to help maintain a level playing field among our competitors, and we will continue to do so."

[tyrius.]

Specifically, the rule change requires engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more to run a tapered spacer with four holes measuring 1.100 inches each in diameter, compared with the 1.125-inch holes previously required. Toyota engines currently are the only ones in use in the Nationwide Series that feature a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more.

Pardon me, while that information flies right over my head!!!!    ;D

I'll leave it to the experts to figure it out.  It just comes across as strange to me (but I don't know much about it).

[J_Zink]

Y'all need to get into NASCAR a little more each year one manufactory or the other is ordered to limit horsepower, it just happened to be Toyota this year but it has been Ford, Chevy, & Dodge in the past. Heck it's even been individual teams

My father in law watches it all the time and I just can't get interested in it.  I don't really care who the team or manufacturer is, it seems odd to limit them because they are TOO successful.  Isn't that the whole point of a racing series, to BE successful?

Most top level racing series are like that.  NASCAR is basically a reality TV show featuring personalities that has racing as it's theme.  The cars are a necessary evil.

Nascar, the series that was based on "stock" cars, hasn't been in years.  It's the reason Ford, Chevy and Dodge are now questioning the level of their involvement in this series that's gotten extremely expensive to run in.  It's all about ROI, win on Sunday, sell on Monday.  When your company is on the verge of bankruptcy,  you have to be realistic with every penny you spend and 43 cars running around a track that have absolutely no similarity to what's currently on the showroom floor along with archaic engine technology is a tough sell.

Toyota has a history of entering racing series and spending HUGE amounts of money to get into the winners circle.  The big three don't have enough bullets in their guns to match by getting into a engine building war.  I suspect NASCAR will continue to sanction and limit yoda motors until that company gets pizzed off and leaves.

It's manufactured racing by changing the rules on the fly, creating drama, selling driver & NASCAR bling and the France family sucking as much money out of the sport as possible.  It's not really racing much like the WWF isn't really wrestling.  It's a show.  Get with the program here.  

[Catt]

What y'all do not understand is that this was not a practice car; it was not a qualifying engine, it was an actual post race inspection of the car driven during the Michigan race. The magnetic shims were installed after the race in a blatant attempt to hide the actual horsepower of the race engine an old trick in NASCAR's cheating annals, magnets are sometimes used to keep the gas pedal from being depressed fully, thus fooling motor dynamometer tests into thinking full horsepower is being expounded in those tests.

This is not Toyota's first rules violation Remember when Michael Waltrip's team was caught using an illegal substance inside the intake manifold at the Daytona 500 in 2007? Remember "sway bar-gate?" That also involved Waltrip. And the admitted theft by a Toyota team member of a valve spring from one of Jack Roush's engines after an official NASCAR engine teardown earlier this season?

[J_Zink]

It seems as though there's a car failing post race inspection about every other weekend the past few years. Fines are levied, crew chiefs suspended for X number of races yet it changes nothing.  Cheating has become a way of life in that series.  Toyota sure didn't invent it.  

[Catt]

If yoda has all dem bucks why cheat?  

[Newman12Fan]

This is not Toyota's first rules violation Remember when Michael Waltrip's team was caught using an illegal substance inside the intake manifold at the Daytona 500 in 2007? Remember "sway bar-gate?" That also involved Waltrip. And the admitted theft by a Toyota team member of a valve spring from one of Jack Roush's engines after an official NASCAR engine teardown earlier this season?

Actually Toyota has never had a rules violation.  Michael Waltrip has had some rules violations, and now JGR has a rules violation.  Just like it was Roush's team that had a violation with Carl Edwards oil lid cover.  That was not Ford breaking the rules, just like this is not Toyota breaking the rules

[guitarkid]

 Never thought I'd associate Joe Gibbs and cheating in the same sentence.

     That one kind of leaves me floored.

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