Baseball Hall of fame

[fish-fighting-illini]

I noticed a picture of the 49 HOF players who were invited to the allstar game.

One thing stuck out like a sore thumb. Despite their advanced ages only 2 or 3 of the 49 were wearing glasses. Some could have had contacts. Kind of maybe seems obvious that great vision is a huge factor?

Speaking of HOF - Ron Santo deserves to be in the HOF

in the picture were Wade Boggs, Gary Carter, Ferguson Jenkins, Don sutton, Dennis Eckersly and some others.

Ron Santo is much better than any of those players.

P.S. I read in Chuck Yeager's book that he could see the enemy a VERY long time before others in his squadron could. That is a large part of what made him such a great pilot

[Bassn Blvd]

Perhaps lasic surgery.   HMMMMMMMM!

[Muddy]

First how can you compare Santos to Eckersly one was a very good ( but not great) every day player , the other a dominant relief pitcher. As much as I hate the Sox These are Santos Stats;;they are not even close to Boggs

Career Hitting[5] G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI SB BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS

2,243 8,143 2,254 365 67 342 1,138 1,331 35 1,108 1,343 .277 .362 .464 .826These are Boggs. they are not even close

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA

2439 9180 1513 3010 578 61 118 1014 1412 745 24 35 .328

[frogtog]

Pete Rose needs to be there also, he has done no more than most of them.

[fish-fighting-illini]

 Ouch my friend Muddy; the dagger in the back I can feel it. You've got a point about the batting Muddy. A parrtial one at least anyway. Don't forget to take into account the juiced balls not to mention the flatter mound that Boggs batted against. Not to mention watered down teams. I just never got that he's a great player feeling from Boggs but I see your point.

 Now Mook brain as a typical New York fan you only paid attention to half the important stuff lol. What about defense? Santo was a heck of a defensive 3rd baseman. Boggs could have been better I didn't check those numbers.

 Eckersly was definately good and probably HOF material but not before Santo

jL  just Razzin ya as always Muddy

[Grey Wolf]

Santo was a very good ball player but his stat's aren't HOF worthy.

Not enough hits or homeruns.

[fish-fighting-illini]

they are not even close to Boggs

After looking at it a little closer I agree with you they are not even close. In many categories Santo is much better

Santo has approx 30% more RBI's in 10% less AB's while playing for some really bad teams vs Boggs playing with loaded championship teams

Santo has roughly 300% more home runs than Boggs in 10% less AB's.

Boggs' BA is much higher than Santo's but Santo's is respectable for a power hitter.

Santo has 50% more stolen bases and more 3b's, Boggs is way ahead in 2b's. Santo has many more strikeouts. I guess they are very different players but I believe that if Boggs is in then Santo should be.

I'm not sure about Boggs but Santo was a heck of a defensive player.

[Muddy]

Boggs was not on Chapionship teams much of his time, he was mostly with the Red Sox who did not win any rings while he was there.

 Keith Hernandez has won more consecutive gold gloves

at first base than any other in NL history and it will take a miracle for him to get in. It is important that the Hall sticks to a high standard. 8-)

[Popeye]

I read once that Babe Ruth could read the numbers on a license plate that was so far away that most people couldn't even tell what color it was. Great eyesight is indeed an asset in any sport.

[fish-fighting-illini]

 Smooth move FFI

  I go spouting off about HOF stats and I don't even get Boggs with the right team.

               my mistake

[burleytog]

santo is 1100$% hell of fame player

if 96 cubs don't cllapse, then santo = fame

he was as good as brks rombinson

hi sganatandard my rear end...hof writers are stuck up *******

[Muddy]

He is no where in the same class as Boggs,Brooks Robinson or Mike Schmidt The hall has maintained a good standard and just because you are a Cubs fan, doesn't mean Sanots, who was better than avg deserves to be in the hall. Robinson set the standard for defense at the corner.

  We had a great player , on the Brooklyn Doders who played RightField, Carl Furiello, hit over 300 lifetime and when he was to get in, there were a whole slew of great outfielders getting in so he did not get in, it is the best of the best. The BHOF is the only sports HOF to hold a standard of greatness and popularity. I just wish they would do more in the way of getting some of the older black players in to offset the time when racially these players were banned from the biggies. They have some more work yet to be done in this era.

 The biggest challange and one I fear will tarnish the hall will be the slew of Steroid users,lead by Mcguire into the hall.

[fish-fighting-illini]

 I think that is one of the greatest things about baseball. It brings about very passionate ( albeit East coast biased ) opinions from all walks of life and age grouups.

 The dig ) East coast.. ) was not originaly supposed to be a part of my post Muddy; just a little messin with ya. It was too good to pass up.

[fish-fighting-illini]

santo is 1100$% hell of fame player

if 96 cubs don't cllapse, then santo = fame

he was as good as brks rombinson

hi sganatandard my rear end...hof writers are stuck up *******

Burley are you sure Jimzee got to the last beer or is that just all you remember of the occasion? 96 Cubs? Sganatandard ? LOL

This probably explains your post " posted Today at 3:27am "

FFI - AKA Matt Crum