Is it ignorance or laziness?

[FD.]

Sorry to break this to you Mike, but it is not limited to this forum.  I struggle to NOT beat my children when they speak the way many people here write.  They are both in honors classes with high IQ's, unfortunately in is not "cool" to speak or act smart.  

[roadwarrior]

Sorry to break this to you Mike, but it is not limited to this forum. I struggle to NOT beat my children when they speak the way many people here write. They are both in honors classes with high IQ's, unfortunately in is not "cool" to speak or act smart.

Watch out for the crowd they run with. My kids are there with yours, but they care...a lot.

8-)

[fish-fighting-illini]

So Zel what you're really saying is that I should be the Mook of Moron? LOL I resent that! JK

Wayne, I agree with your agreement about the agreeable deal... I think?? LOL

and WII60 -  very well put you can be one complex son of a gun!

                    ( meant to be a compliment )

Sorry Long Mike I don't mean to throw the thread off topic

[Pond-Pro]

There have been some good arguments on both sides of this issue.  Although it may be difficult, we need to look at both sides and find the middle ground.  Personally, I don't really care if someone's grammar or punctuation is not perfect.  However, when it gets so bad that it is difficult to understand, it becomes a problem.  

Lets remember that the purpose of this forum is to help each other become better bass fishermen, and not to judge each others typing abilities or styles.

no-what-im-sayyen!?  

[njbasser]

I think it is a little bit of both. I am only 15 and even though I am in honors english I still text my friends and type using abbreviations and shortened words. Despite this, when I write stuff that other people will actually read I write the "right" way. It's funny though because my mom sometimes texts me and she is worse than all my friends. Her "Thank you, I will be home in a little bit" is "thk u home in a lil"  :-/

[WIII-60]

So   Zel what you're really saying is that I should be the Mook of Moron? LOL  I resent that!   JK

Wayne,  I agree with your agreement about the agreeable deal...  I think??  LOL

and WII60 -  very well put you can be one complex son of a gun!

                    ( meant to be a compliment )

Sorry Long Mike I don't mean to throw the thread off topic

Somehow this became a really, really heavy topic  :-?.

[Grey Wolf]

Some one should shoot this thread and put it out of it's misery!!!!!!!!!

[fish-fighting-illini]

Some one should shoot this thread and put it out of it's misery!!!!!!!!!

 I second the motion all those in favor say:

 " I should be fishing "

[warmer]

Some one should shoot this thread and put it out of it's misery!!!!!!!!!

someone give this guy an mls dictionary... that is way to many !!!!'s. wait have i been using improper punctiation and grammer. again with the "emotion" symbols... my lit prof would turn over in her grave.

i actually like the newer trend in writing that doesnt confine punctiation and traditional structures in terms of grammer, as long as it doesnt sacrifice coherance (unless it is doing this deliberately which is cool too)... reference cormac macarthy's "the road" - great book.

i stopped capitalizing the word "i" when i thought about how ego-centric it is as a grammatical construct. why do i capitalize "i" when i dont capitalize "you"? riddle me that.

word up, fo sheezy!

[toolpush]

I saw myself in this post and am making a conscious effort to do better. "I should be fishing."

[Hookemdown.]

I shud b phizin

[warmer]

as a postscript to my earlier post i would like to say that people have long been trying to answer this question of why we capitalize "i" (which only happened as recently as the middle ages).  a good introductory article that addresses the question would be http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/9/9-253.html... enjoy.

also, my use of the "..." at the end of the sentence is philisophical.  although our world certainly operates on absolute principles, our ability to understand them, much less interpret and express them, is impared... and even if it were not, could i have reasonable confidence that your ability was in no way impaired?...  therefore, i end the sentence with "..." as if to say, "this is not a complete thought", or at least, "i have not completely or exhaustively expressed this thought," or at least, "i am not confident that you will fully understand what i am saying given our varied experiences of reality."

death to enlightenment and modernist arrogance!  hello "i" and "..."!

[fishfordollars]

Mike buddy, you are right on. I never post to a thread without proof reading my material.

Great point!

[Catt]

There is a simple solution it's called Micro Soft Word; it will correct misspelled words and even correct grammar; MSW can be set to do grade school corrections or professional. After typing your response simply press the control (Ctrl) key and the C key simultaneously, click on the reply button and press the control (Ctrl) key and the V key simultaneously.

You have just copied and pasted what you typed  

[NaterD]

It is the evolution of communication, sadly idk y dis happnz.

[j-bass]

This is coming from an English teacher....the level of ignorance exuded by today's youth is unprecedented...the lack of higher education exhibited by today's 'middle class' is unacceptable.  I love the fact that the internet can be a source of unlimited information; however, I feel that it has become an impending source of laziness throughout the populous.  As an addendum, it is fine, but as a source for actual education, I feel that the system is flawed.  Microsoft Word is great for people trying to write a message to their friends, but if you want to be taken seriously, you need to come across as an intelligent and up-to-speed, individual.  

So what, great, thanks to MSW or the equivalent, you can sound as distinguished as a Nobel laureate...it doesn't make you any smarter.

These kids don't know their own a.s.s. from a hole in the ground.

...in essence....think, process, and then produce.  Don't let loose an endless stream of incomprehensible BS.  Make sure that when people read your post, they take you seriously.  That is what is all about.  Don't come across as a dumba$$.  

I think all this post represents is an incentive to try harder to make the site more honorable.  If a random person happens upon this site and sees a thread abound with misspellings and grammatical errors, how do you think people will perceive this site?  

There is a bad enough stigma surrounding people with our shared tastes...no sense in propagating stereotypes.

[warmer]

There is a bad enough stigma surrounding people with our shared tastes...no sense in propagating stereotypes.

which stereotype is that?  that we are a conglomeration of backwoods, denture wearing, dipping, chewing, rebel flag flying hicks with two or three rusted out beaters propped up on blocks in the front yard?  so what if some of us are.  i say a guy who gums his food and has a hard time typing correct sentences has every right to try to use this technology to learn to fish better; at least as much right as the next guy.

so...

how about the propagation of the stereotype that assumes that just because someone uses incorrect punctuation and a lower case "i" that they are lazy or ignorant?

to the original question - is it ignorance or laziness? the answer is no!

on which side does the ignorance lie?

the english language has been the most adaptable of all languages from the beginning.  its origins are both latin and germanic, which are not made to mix, this can be seen in the multiplicity of endings that we use for tenses.  and the english language is shifting again as it always has, from the influence of the common vernacular.  you can a) get on board or pretend that the language isnt evolving, and become more or less irrelevant.

coherence is a TWO way street.  it comes from a latin root meaning to be connected.  and COmmunication also implies a COmmunity of understanding.

if you read and dont understand chaucer, or spenser, or dryden, or pope, do you blame the old english masters for their lack of ability to speak correctly?  no.  BUT if you listen to a rap song and you dont understand the lyrics you probably do.  BUT where does the ignorance lie?  there is an entire subset of people who understand PERFECTLY well what the rapper is saying.  so you can do one of two things, you can retreat into your ivory tower and bemoan the day when english language wasnt butchered in this way (although to be fair the entire language was put together higgledy piggledly from the cuttings on the floor of a language butcher shop), or you can acknowledge that, "the ignorance at this moment is on my side, and if i am to understand this i will need to expand my vocabulary."

ya feel me?

lollers!

p0wnage!

but... what the "h" do i know, maybe im just a dumba$$

[Muddy]

as a postscript to my earlier post i would like to say that people have long been trying to answer this question of why we capitalize "i" (which only happened as recently as the middle ages). a good introductory article that addresses the question would be http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/9/9-253.html... enjoy.

also, my use of the "..." at the end of the sentence is philisophical. although our world certainly operates on absolute principles, our ability to understand them, much less interpret and express them, is impared... and even if it were not, could i have reasonable confidence that your ability was in no way impaired?... therefore, i end the sentence with "..." as if to say, "this is not a complete thought", or at least, "i have not completely or exhaustively expressed this thought," or at least, "i am not confident that you will fully understand what i am saying given our varied experiences of reality."

death to enlightenment and modernist arrogance! hello "i" and "..."!

Dr.Phil is a member now?

[warmer]

whats dr phil gotta do wit me

im not tryin to hear dat see

i aint no fat man feelin all friendly

i get it down in the nitty gritty

i bust a rhyme without no fear

i bust it like a cap in yo ear

i dont front but i do flex

i ring your brain like chicken necks

whats dr phil gotta do wit me

im not tryin to hear dat see

[roadwarrior]

Excellent closing post...

Good night Irene.