Iran's Missles

[BadKarma42]

It seems that Iran might be doing some sabre rattleing like North Korea has been known to do.

I heard on the radio this morning that OPEC and said that if we were to attack Iran that oil prices would skyrocket.

[KYbass1276]

It seems that Iran might be doing some sabre rattleing like North Korea has been known to do.

I heard on the radio this morning that OPEC and said that if we were to attack Iran that oil prices would skyrocket.

And really that is the very worst that could happen to us right now and Iran knows this.   It's not a matter of wheather our military can take on Iran because we know they can and will and be successful at doing so but Iran is banking on our economy and the people here in the states to not support a war with them.    War sucks and I hate to see any war but sometimes there just has to be one.   If we have to go after Iran I hope we allow are military to do what they have been trained to do and destroy them and set an example.

[Brian_Reeves]

I personally say that we rush to build oil wells, drills, and whatnot then set a military blockade on OPEC ports.  Destabalizing their grasp on world economy would hurt for a few years, but would be nice in the long run.  Viva la revolution!!

[fishbear]

I personally say that we rush to build oil wells, drills, and whatnot then set a military blockade on OPEC ports.  Destabalizing their grasp on world economy would hurt for a few years, but would be nice in the long run.  Viva la revolution!!

Best idea i have heard in a long long time.  Iran is threatening to block off the main passage for oil exports anyway... lets just do it, and dare them the try anything!!!!!!!

Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay LESS!!!!!!

[MARSH MASTER]

We need to take over the whole middle east and drop our gas prices!

[Dan:]

Israel can take on anybody. However, if a war starts between Israel and Iran, it's not just going to stay between Israel and Iran.

ALLIANCES cause world wars and nothing brings people together like religion

on paper sure they can.... real world fighting wich they havent done without any help its up in the air .look at us with iraq .Iran is a whole lot diff then iraq it actullay has a strong gov and way more money and who knows who is gonna side with Iran they have a major pull in this area.they take care of many 3rd and 2 nd world countrys with millions of men willing to fight till death for there cause

Isreal hasn't done "real word fighting"? What does that mean? What about 1967? Israel has stomped people on several occasions.

And I wouldn't overestimate the connection between Iran and other Muslim countries. While they are "brothers in Islam," Iranians are different ethnically from most of the Muslim world as well as religiously because they are Persian and Shi'a. Muslims are not always as united as many think.

[=Matt 5.0=]

We need to take over the whole middle east and drop our gas prices!

Wasn't that the point of the Iraq invasion? Oops.....that worked out well.

[preach4bass]

I personally say that we rush to build oil wells, drills, and whatnot then set a military blockade on OPEC ports. Destabalizing their grasp on world economy would hurt for a few years, but would be nice in the long run. Viva la revolution!!

Best idea i have heard in a long long time. Iran is threatening to block off the main passage for oil exports anyway... lets just do it, and dare them the try anything!!!!!!!

Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay LESS!!!!!!

We can't drill for oil in America.  Don't you know that the Big-eared, Brown-breasted, Chicken-fried, Wacko bird could go extinct?  You insensitive idiots! > ;D

Oh, and on a more serious note: Is there any chance you two guys could team up and put your names on the ticket in November?

[fishbear]

I am game if Brian is....

;D ;D ;D ;D

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Israel can take on anybody. However, if a war starts between Israel and Iran, it's not just going to stay between Israel and Iran.

ALLIANCES cause world wars and nothing brings people together like religion

on paper sure they can.... real world fighting wich they havent done without any help its up in the air .look at us with iraq .Iran is a whole lot diff then iraq it actullay has a strong gov and way more money and who knows who is gonna side with Iran they have a major pull in this area.they take care of many 3rd and 2 nd world countrys with millions of men willing to fight till death for there cause

Isreal hasn't done "real word fighting"? What does that mean? What about 1967? Israel has stomped people on several occasions.

And I wouldn't overestimate the connection between Iran and other Muslim countries. While they are "brothers in Islam," Iranians are different ethnically from most of the Muslim world as well as religiously because they are Persian and Shi'a. Muslims are not always as united as many think.

 9-11 proves different ,4 men made this great country breakdown in 3 hrs .muslims live to die and been doing it for a  long long long time .im not congradulating them either at all just we and other countrys need to think outside the box .they thrive on small attacks and weaken countrys from within economicly and know how to use our compassion,hope,glory,caring nature to there full advantage.they can care less if there uncle cousin brother or son dies as long as it was for THERE own cause.us and other countrys that thrive on living only feed countrys that thrive on death .As we have seen many times through history it only takes a few men to make a very big impact for very big countrys,states,posssesions,lands etc etc. think of trojan horse except in place of castles now its whole countrys and lands

[J_Zink]

This whole thing appears to be bogus.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashim.htm

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp

[Dan:]

Israel can take on anybody. However, if a war starts between Israel and Iran, it's not just going to stay between Israel and Iran.

ALLIANCES cause world wars and nothing brings people together like religion

on paper sure they can.... real world fighting wich they havent done without any help its up in the air .look at us with iraq .Iran is a whole lot diff then iraq it actullay has a strong gov and way more money and who knows who is gonna side with Iran they have a major pull in this area.they take care of many 3rd and 2 nd world countrys with millions of men willing to fight till death for there cause

Isreal hasn't done "real word fighting"? What does that mean? What about 1967? Israel has stomped people on several occasions.

And I wouldn't overestimate the connection between Iran and other Muslim countries. While they are "brothers in Islam," Iranians are different ethnically from most of the Muslim world as well as religiously because they are Persian and Shi'a. Muslims are not always as united as many think.

9-11 proves different ,4 men made this great country breakdown in 3 hrs .muslims live to die and been doing it for a long long long time .im not congradulating them either at all just we and other countrys need to think outside the box .they thrive on small attacks and weaken countrys from within economicly and know how to use our compassion,hope,glory,caring nature to there full advantage.they can care less if there uncle cousin brother or son dies as long as it was for THERE own cause.us and other countrys that thrive on living only feed countrys that thrive on death .As we have seen many times through history it only takes a few men to make a very big impact for very big countrys,states,posssesions,lands etc etc. think of trojan horse except in place of castles now its whole countrys and lands

What four people? And why did you change the topic to terrorism? We are talking about Iran and Israel, two sovereign states. A war might make certain independent groups commit acts of terrorism, but Israel is probably the country with the most experience in dealing with terrorism and reacting to it. Don't underestimate their abilities, they have been suicide bombed and ganged up on since its creation in the 40s.

The fact is, there are divisions between Muslims that you seem to be ignorant to. They don't all join together at every outside threat and there are numerous examples where they have fought each other or sided with the West because issues like nationalism, sectionalism, economics, and politics took precedent over being their common religion.

[mattm]

Muslims are not always as united as many think.

Even though there is a lot of truth in that statement they seem to be pretty united against Christians.

[Wayne P.]

When I started this thread, it was after seeing a video of missles in the first few seconds of flight along with the commentary about their announced tests with conjecture about their intensions and capabilities on a TV news channel.

[Bassin_Fin@tic]

Muslims are not always as united as many think.

Even though there is a lot of truth in that statement they seem to be pretty united against Christians.

And against Americans in general.Theres only a couple million living here :-X :-X :-X

[Dan:]

Muslims are not always as united as many think.

Even though there is a lot of truth in that statement they seem to be pretty united against Christians.

What about the Saudi's siding with the US for the Persian Gulf? Money and politics have split Muslims from each other many times. This is especially true with Iran which is a Shi'a majority, ethnically Persian, and not a monarchy. This differs from almost all other Muslims who are mostly Sunni, ethnically Arab, and monarchies. After the Iranian Revolution, most of the Arab monarchies (including Iraq at the time) have disliked Iran because they fear the anti-monarchy sentiment from the revolution will spread to their own countries and make the ruling powers lose their control. That is a major factor that lead to the Iran-Iraq war.

And most Muslim countries are not united against Christians, per se, but against Christians in their territory, especially the hijaz (or Holy Land).

All I'm saying is that it is important to remember that just like anyone else, money and politics factor into the positions of Muslim countries, and as such, they do not (and historically, have not) always side with each other.

[Brian_Reeves]

Muslims are not really a viable enemy.  They cannot project any real military threat to our side of the ocean.  Sure, terrorist attacks are always a possibility, but unless we resort to genocide, that will always be a problem.  I will not be a part of genocide.

OPEC, on the other hand, can project economic strife on the entire world.  I think that if we opened up our oil reserves and fields and ONLY sell to AMERICAN companies, NO EXPORTING, then we'd see el cheapo gas again.  Until then, we have to enjoy $4+ a gallon.  

Sure, I believe in conservation.  But PRESERVATION OF OUR CULTURE AND RIGHTS will have to come long before bigfoot, the speckled pineapple upside down cake bird, and whatever else is out there.  If done properly, the oil wells are not that intrusive to environments as Green Peace and PETA would have people believe.

I would run for president, but I'd have to be 35, which I am not.  We'll spend the next 10 years putting together a campaign though  ;D

[Hookemdown.]

It seems to me that a lot of people in America think that Muslims are the enemy.  They are not.  The fanatics give the whole area a bad name which it doesn't deserve.

[preach4bass]

I would run for president, but I'd have to be 35, which I am not. We'll spend the next 10 years putting together a campaign though ;D

Only 10 years?  That's no where near long enough for a Presidential campaign! ;D

[Maxximus Redneckus]

It seems to me that a lot of people in America think that Muslims are the enemy. They are not. The fanatics give the whole area a bad name which it doesn't deserve.

i know a few muslims nice people .the thing is we as Americans belive that fighting only consist of military strategy. Extreme muslims are doin what i have said they are doing for thousnads of years most of the new world thinks this is a  plain war in reality its way deeper its about faith ,religon ,cultures ,land .No matter who we annialiate in the mid east someone bigger and badder will pop up after 2 or 3 presidents in the USA have tried to stop them. Its a never ending battle and its sad to say our great great grand kids wil be doing what we are doin right now typing about it with millions of diff opinoins and/or facts 100 yrs from now.

[fishbear]

I would run for president, but I'd have to be 35, which I am not. We'll spend the next 10 years putting together a campaign though ;D

Only 10 years? That's no where near long enough for a Presidential campaign! ;D

It is/was long enough for a certain candidate.

[mattm]

[What about the Saudi's siding with the US for the Persian Gulf? /quote]

Couldn't it also be said that they were siding with the Kuwati's who have considerablly more oil than Iraq.

I made a pretty big mistake in saying they and not clarifying that by they I meant radical muslims that exist on some level in almost every middle eastern country. I know 100's of very nice muslim or muslim decent people here that I shouldn't of potrayed as an enemy.  I have no doubt this is true overseas as well.

Sorry to all these folks.

[Brian_Reeves]

My only deal with OPEC is that it is a cartel.  Cartels are not generally known for being good neighbors or samaritans.  

I'm not against a bunch of people making a living.  But when that living is at the cost of entire populations worldwide, then it seems that something more diabolical than wealth is going on.  Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist or something, but that is my take on it.  Eventually OPEC will probably be infested radicalism.  And if that ever happens, they will have the funds to get their hands on things that no coporation, cartel, or radical should ever, ever get.  That's what scares me.  

Saudi Arabia is not a knight is shining armor.  They sided with the Coalition because a peaceful country was invaded by a hostile one.  Iraq.  Iraq would have controlled the Kuwaiti oil fields, thus cutting the knees out from under OPEC, Saudi Arabia, and probably the rest of the Western world.  Not to mention the Republican Guard was pretty oppressive against their 'brothers.'  

I wouldn't trust Saudi Arabia.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely.  Right now, they have that kind of absolute power by being one of the biggest players in OPEC.  Sure there are other players, but they are the ones with the power to really pull strings.  They can actually project their military might quite a bit further than their own borders.

All of this, somehow, ties into Iranian missiles.  Iran should be denied the ability to manufacture, maintain, or possess weapons that could be used for Nuclear, Biologic, or Chemical warhead delivery.  Make no mistake about it.  They aren't going to load them up with poodles and send them to Paris.  Even if Iran is not currently capable of delivering nukes, bios, or chemical weapons, they should not be allowed to have the delivery system.  I would not be surprised if some weapon of mass destruction is already in inventory and ready to be put on these bad boys.  I haven't kept up with the news lately, so that might already be confirmed or denied.

Regardless, all out war with Iran is not needed to solve this problem.  One nuclear submarine launching conventionally armed tomahawk cruise missiles would probably rectify this situation.  If access to the Gulf region is denied by Iranian ships...well I doubt that would last very long.  Remember, one US aircraft carrier matches the entire aerial inventory of most smaller modern countries.  That's just in numbers.  If you want to talk technology and weapons...well we're talking light years in differences.

I put my money on American goods when it comes to all out war.  I doubt it will come to that.  I'd like to see this entire deal solved with cooperation from the United Nations.  Now that many of those countries are going to be directly threatened, I don't think that getting their hand with this is going to be a big deal.  If someone pointed weapons at my house, I'd start raising a fuss real quick.

[Grey Wolf]

Christains and Muslims have fought each other for thousands of years over differant reasons , this is just the newest reason. They just don't plain like each other.

It will never stop until one side is annilated. That's the way it is.

[Dan:]

Saudi Arabia is not a knight is shining armor. They sided with the Coalition because a peaceful country was invaded by a hostile one. Iraq. Iraq would have controlled the Kuwaiti oil fields, thus cutting the knees out from under OPEC, Saudi Arabia, and probably the rest of the Western world. Not to mention the Republican Guard was pretty oppressive against their 'brothers.'

Brian, the points you mention about SA being motivated by politics and economic interests is EXACTLY what I mean. It is a perfect example of how Muslim countries do not automatically side with each other against Western countries. their assistance of the Coalition in waging war against Muslim neighbors AND the fact that they allowed Coalition (nonbelievers) forces into the their own territory is a big deal. Many other countries were angry with them for siding with non-believers against Muslims and ESPECIALLY for allowing them to make use of the Muslim Holy Land (the Hijaz region in SA).

And Bass-Brat, I do not think that "they just don't plain like each other". Most muslims don't hate Christians, and the ones that do are mostly manipulated by religious leaders who want to keep control over their followers and create an enemy to unify their supporters. You may think it may never end, and that is a sad opinion, but that is all it is.