WHat's WRONG WITH THE WORLD?

[Tin]

A bunch of 3rd graders bring things to school to kill a teacher because she yelled at one of them for standing on a chair? A rock to knock her out, hand cuffs, a knive ect. ect. And even paper to cover the windows so no one could see in the room.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/cops-say-3rd-graders-plotted-attack/20080401150309990001

[Chad.]

d**n smart 3rd graders if you ask me It's wrong and ridiculous though.

[jrhennecke]

I'd like to say unbelievable but this type of sick crap is becoming far to common.

[Micro]

Sorry, I just thought it was funny you asked that and have that avatar.   ;D

[Other.]

And their punishment? Expulsion from the school...

[jrhennecke]

Did you notice how they are already making excuses for the kids.  They may have thought of it like a cartoon?  BS

[fish-fighting-illini]

 I read this too 3rd GRADERS who would have imagined it even possible to think this.

Something is really wrong about this deal. Why so many of them involved?

 This is a sad state of affairs

[JCrzy4Bass]

I heard this this morning when I was listening to the radio.  Unbelievable.  The fact that these kids joined together in this and came up with the plot and had the tools to carry it out.  I gotta wonder what kind of third grade mind started this and the kind of life he has at home.  

The sad part is I'm sure that this thing will go on all of their records and they will have some kind of medical or psych evaluation placed in the student folder for confidential records.  What a waste of a young mind.  I just hope these kids learn from their mistake and get the help they need to get put in the right direction.  

School violence is just everywhere these days...

[Tin]

Sorry, I just thought it was funny you asked that and have that avatar. ;D

Didn't realize it.

[Bassn Blvd]

Sorry, I just thought it was funny you asked that and have that avatar.   ;D

I swear I was thinking the same thing....

[fishinfiend]

this is what happens when parents use time-out instead of wearing their kid's *** out with a switch, belt, or flip-flop

thats right, a flip-flop

[Bass XL]

That's ridiculous. And to say that they could have got it from a cartoon is ridiculous too. When I was in 3rd grade I definatley knew the difference between a cartoon and real life.

[Dean]

People wonder why ***** like this happens.  Look at the example these youngsters are getting from their "role models" . Heck, haven't heard that one in a while. Ya know why? We have people getting stabbed, shot, and beaten to death almost every day in this country. ********** media potrays it on tv every night for nations kids to view. I don't understand is wrong with this country lately.

[GitRDoneIke23]

this is what happens when parents use time-out instead of wearing their kid's *** out with a switch, belt, or flip-flop

thats right, a flip-flop

Amen brotha!!! A little switching never hurt anybody. Infact it's probally one of the best things that ever could have happend to them!

Tight Lines 8-)

[Troutfisher]

Here's a clue for all the softies of the world.

This proves that "time-out" doesn't work.

[Jake P]

For starters where in the f*@% did they even get that idea?!?!? Im shocked...3rd graders? I wonder what the parents are doing about it. Just a sign of what the world is coming to.

[Micro]

I'm not condoning or excusing what these kids did. But...

First, speaking from the position of the parent, and from the position of a parent of a child that has caused some problems for himself in school, I will tell you that beatings, spankings, and "tough love" don't always work. You can't beat a kid into a good person. When you have a kid, you'll understand.

Second, the expectations and pressures on kids these days are incredible and I can see why some rebel against authority.

I can go out of my way to impart my values on my kids. But the reality is that these kids are in school most of the day in an atmosphere of semi-controlled chaos among teachers and administrators, too many of whom, shuffle these kids along and guide them ONLY SUFFICIENTLY to pass an SOL test.

These schools have been put into a mode of "zero tolerance" that has eliminated critical thinking when dealing with issues and placed administrators in a position of ONLY identifying an issue and punishing it to the extent the manual says to.

Schools have swung from one extreme to another. My son has been suspended (SUSPENDED) for offending a girl in class when he argued with another student. They were both suspended. SUSPENDED. You may say there is more to it than that. There isn't.

Schools are teaching kids to be intolerant, and thin skinned. Schools are teaching them to complain. Schools are teaching nothing about dispute resolution. Schools are teaching them that is ISN'T OK to differ with a teacher or parent - that the teacher or parent is right and questioning their reasoning is wrong. These kids don't know how to deal with their emotions. Parents can work all day and night with their kids on that issue but the schools will tell them that the rules are black and white. Nothing but mixed signals from schools.

Don't get me wrong. I know schools have it tough. But something is different now than it was when I was a kid. Then, we learned citizenship, honor, respect, COURTESY. We were taught by example. It was as much a part of my schoold day as english or arithmetic. That doesn't happen anymore. Todays, it's black and white, learn by the numbers, and don't f**k up, even a little, or you will pay a heavy price.

As much as a I hate to see kids screw up to the extent these kids did, I fell sorry for our kids today. They only place they can learn values is at home. Schools are now out of that business.

This nation has problems FAR MORE FUNDAMENTAL THAN THE ECONOMY.  This nation needs a moral stand-down.  There needs to be a nationwide introspection.  This nation needs to get back on track and courtesy, respect, honor and courage needs to be the priority.  

[Davis]

That's ridiculous. And to say that they could have got it from a cartoon is ridiculous too. When I was in 3rd grade I definatley knew the difference between a cartoon and real life.

My son is in third grade and DEFINATELY knows the difference between real and fake. People need to stop with the excuses in this country. Parents need to stop being selfish,partying, and neglecting there kids and point them in the right directions in life. I agree with the spanking comment. I spanked my boy a couple years back and Protective Services came to my house. Told them the truth. I only have spanked my kid a couple times in his life. There is a reason why he behaves most of the time lol. Putting them in a chair for 10 minutes or grounding them from video games isn't going to do any good.

There is a difference between spanking and pounding your kid. If your throwing your kid around everyday than yes that's not going to help either.

Christ said it best.....Love others as you love yourself.

[grimlin]

I can't comment...Part of me is saying "spank the hell out of that kid"...other part of me is what in the world did his parents let him watch?

My kid started pre-school monday...i dropped him off yesterday for the first time.It was unbelievable how well behaved those kids were.My kid on the other hand was throwing fits and had a hard time listening to what was being said.NEEDLESS TO SAY!It really woke me up and got me wondering how the hell or what the hell did i do wrong? It scares me....

[jrhennecke]

The thing is it is not the schools responsibility to teach our children morals it is our job.  I had the opportunity to do some volunteer work over the winter and let me tell you these children today are nothing like we were in school.  They talk back, question authority and for the most part lack the basics of proper manners.  It is not the schools fault.  The parents need to step up. It is not the childs place to question authority.  If the teacher tells him/her to sit down then that what needs to happen.  The problem that I see with education is not that the teachers have to "teach to the test", it is that they have to spend so much time with the behaviorly challenged kid the kids that really need help don't get it.

[Davis]

The thing is it is not the schools responsibility to teach our children morals it is our job. I had the opportunity to do some volunteer work over the winter and let me tell you these children today are nothing like we were in school. They talk back, question authority and for the most part lack the basics of proper manners. It is not the schools fault. The parents need to step up. It is not the childs place to question authority. If the teacher tells him/her to sit down then that what needs to happen. The problem that I see with education is not that the teachers have to "teach to the test", it is that they have to spend so much time with the behaviorly challenged kid the kids that really need help don't get it.

Exactly.

[Chad.]

Wow, christ I would never let my parents hit me, probably my big brother though. I don't think that is the answer hitting will not get you anywhere my parent have never hit me and im turning out ok. I know what i can and can't do and i know that i have to respect people. If you lay down the rules early and try to keep your kid in the right direction there will be no need to 'spank' your kid. i am sorry, but actually hitting a kid is wrong.  

[jrhennecke]

When I was in elementary school if you misbehaved you were sent to the principals office and got paddled.  It wasn't about the paddling it was about the embarrasment of having to go back to class after the punishment.  That is the problem with these kids today. Schools can't seperate kids because someones feelings may be hurt.  Instead if you are bad you get a red card.   Oh no, not the red card!  At home instead of a smack on the a** you get the "time out".  I DO NOT advocate beating child!  Like I said a smack on the a** is all that is needed.

[Micro]

The thing is it is not the schools responsibility to teach our children morals it is our job.

I diagree 100%. It is the job of the schools, into whose hands everyday I commend my children, to teach morality. It is not the place of schools to work against the parent and send conflicting messages to these kids. If one child hugs another these days, he or she is not labelled "compassionate", they are labels as "Sexual Offenders." If my son strikes a kid who bullies him, he is not "defending himself," he is engaging in "violent activity." Moments of silence are banned. Religeous activities are banned. It goes on and on and on. I can teach what I think is right and moral, but my kinds can't practice it in school, or they risk punishment.

I had the opportunity to do some volunteer work over the winter and let me tell you these children today are nothing like we were in school. They talk back, question authority and for the most part lack the basics of proper manners.

Frankly, I don't see much difference between kids today and kids from my day. I do see a major difference in how they are dealt with. School administrators today are ridiculously crippled in their ability deal with children. Kids today are suspended for the most absurd offenses. In my son's school, boys and girls can't hug (suspendable offense), more the five in a group (punishable offense). Again, it goes on and on and on and on. I'm not saying kids don't do anything wrong, but some of the rules and expectations are laughable.

It is not the schools fault.

The conflicting messages, and the inflexability of rules certainly affect kids attitudes. Teachers I've talked to agree. Their hands are bound, though. It's a black and white, zero-tolerance system.

The parents need to step up.

Most of the parents I know do step up. But even the best kids find it hard to navigate the mine-field of rules in schools these days.

It is not the childs place to question authority.

The day a kid can't seek the rationale behind a decision or a rule will be a sad day. Some of the rules in school are so silly they serve to confuse kids and put them at odds with the values taught by their parents.

If the teacher tells him/her to sit down then that what needs to happen. The problem that I see with education is not that the teachers have to "teach to the test", it is that they have to spend so much time with the behaviorly challenged kid the kids that really need help don't get it.

Do you have a "behaviorily challenged" kid? I do. And my wife is a special-ed teacher. Do you know what it is like to get services for a behaviorily challenged kid? I have a son with bi-polar. When his problem became symptomatic, it took over one year to get it diagnosed, and it it took another 7 months to convince the school system he needed an IEP (improvided educational plan) to get him the services in school he needed. In the mean time, he was dealt with in in the schools disiplinary system. I had to have 3 psychologists, a special-ed administrator, his doctor, his therapist, three of his teachers, his prinicpal, his school nurse and his guidance counselor all to agree that he needed services. It took forever and in the meantime he was in a normal class dealing with the school's discipinary system that has not ability to show flexability. In my day, if a teacher suspect a kid had a learning deficiency, or other problem, they told the parent. NOT TODAY. Today kids are disciplined for their disabilities and they will do nothing to accomodate a kid that has a legitimate problem.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm on a crusade, but whenever I hear someone say "it's the parent's fault," it tells me they have no real experience with today's public school systems. I've had the opportunity to deal with kids' therapists, and mosthave told me today's schools are the source of many of kids' problems.  

The cookie-cutter, one-size-fits-all, zero-tolerance culture in schools today is the major difference between schools of your (and mine) day, and schools of today.   It doesn't work, and hasn't been working for a long time.

[.dsaavedra.]

too much southpark ;D