WHY

[Guest muddy]

Hey Fellas; this is like a neighborhood, people get upset once in a while , we all get a turn. God know I have made some bonehead issues here, and i was corrected and helped by other guys. Bashing eachother is not the way, i tried it and it hurts not only the other guy,myself but the board as a whole. PM's are much better or don't read or answer and block PM's from those who are hard for you to deal with. My life here improved when i started doing this and it only gets messy when i jump off my stance and engage with guys I just do not get along with

[slomoe]

Gotcha, Thanks Dom.  :-[

[Guest muddy]

Don't thank me , left to my own devices I am a pain in the butt, some of the fellas here have helped me a lot. Doesn't mean I won't get a turn again, I try my best not to take the bait, or even worse take out some pizzed off mood when i am here.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Well put Dom.  Nothing good is going to come from this, I think Burley just needed to vent as we all do from time to time and with some of the firearms he owns,....it's better he do it here!

moving on....

[Grey Wolf]

With over 12000 members I'm sure we have our fair share of BS'ers and there is nothing wrong with calling someone out when they get obnoxious once in a while but I SURE wouldn't let the idiots get to me. This is a great site with a great bunch of people , don't let a few know it alls ruin it

Lets all just compare notes , make friends , learn from each other and respect each others opinions and go about our merry ways.

[Siebert Outdoors]

Why do you come here and ask for opinions, then not take the advice given? Why do you ask advice when your mind is already made up. Are you that egotistical? Do you need someone to hold your hand and tell you that your uninformed decision is correct?

Burley,  I got your back on this one.  I get this multiple times a day in what I do.  I get asked technical questions and so I tell the answer.  Then they tell me I'm wrong.  Then why ask if you already know?  When this happens it infuriates me.  It is a complete waste of my time when i could be helping someone who needs help and wants help.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Why do you come here and ask for opinions, then not take the advice given?  Why do you ask advice when your mind is already made up.  Are you that egotistical?  Do you need someone to hold your hand and tell you that your uninformed decision is correct?  

Burley,  I got your back on this one.  I get this multiple times a day in what I do.  I get asked technical questions and so I tell the answer.  Then they tell me I'm wrong.  Then why ask if you already know?  When this happens it infuriates me.  It is a complete waste of my time when i could be helping someone who needs help and wants help.

no it isn't.... ;D

Seriously though, I've often wondered how people in those kind of jobs do it.  The worst would be customer service for a cell company or customer support for a computer company.  

[frogtog]

I love it!!

[slomoe]

I love it!!

I bet you watch alot of reality tv  ;D

[Speckled Bass]

May I suggest a rather complicated yet 100% successful way to conquer this thing that bothers you so.....

Skip those threads :

Kind of hard to skip 96.875% of the forum. :-X

Occasionally people don't behave as we would hope, and unfortunately we have no control over that. But no matter what, don't let an occassional 'Bad Apple' spoil the whole bunch. Some people just try to wind others up and it messes them up when you don't fall for it.

I know it's hard to do but I've learned to just ingore those kinds of threads and move on. It's not worth getting overly concerned/ worked up about those kinds of people cause it's probably unlikely that you'll never if  ever meet up with those persons anyhow. Besides they're just a username.

[frogtog]

I use to get called a Bad Apple alot.

[Troutfisher]

Now you're the rotten tomato...

j/k

[GatorBK]

Start a thread that you can vent in, something with a title like,

Who or what ticked you off today.

Nothing wrong with venting a little ,

[Tin]

Well today in Psych, my prof was talking about theories of why women live longer than men. One of them is because in today's world only women can vent and cry.  :-/

[WIII-60]

A get it off my chest before my * head explodes thread...

The poser level is high here. And God forbid you call anyone on their BS.

I would think that it's hard to label somebody a "poser" if you don't know ANYTHING about them personally. I think it safe to say that only a handful of the members here even know each other. That would mean that you're either the self proclaimed barometer of poser-ness, or you just assume that some people are wrong because you think that you are right.

Having watched as a non-user here for awhile, it seems like people with tenure are allowed to do some things that are straight up rude sometimes that other people are not. It's sort of accepted as the cultural norm.

It's not forbidden to call someone on BS here from what I understand. It does, however, help your case if you have some sort of fact-based information to show that what they said is actually BS, and not just something that you don't agree with.

It's possible that the site has taken a slant towards what you think it is because the respectful/mature/knowledgeable folks get tired of the boo-hooing by some of the eliteists and leave. This is a shared community that has an open membership. Some have just been here longer than others, that's all your post count means. The way you carry and represent yourself as a person is what garners you respect.

[fourbizz]

The way you carry and represent yourself as a person is what garners you respect.

Oh. Then I don't respect you.

okay joking.  ;D

The poser level is high. The female dogginess is high. Winter fishing or lack of fishing is crappy. People are on edge.

Post count is relevant, though not in the way that you claim it is not. It is relevant because without many many posts from someone it can be tough to gauge their personality.  For instance something from someone that I know from their many posts can be taken as good natured ribbing or sarcasm. The same thing said from someone with 17 posts.... who knows where they are coming from.

There is a difference between your buddy that you have known for years and a stranger on the street calling you an azwhole. One is fine the other might not be. Thats how post count is relevant, not as a status symbol, but it gives a chance for personality to become apparent.

I have completely avoided the rod and reel forum and to some degree the tackle forum for the reasons that Burley is talking about. I hear you dude.

To the "why don't you leave" people.....not very cool.

[Long Mike]

Let us not forget that this is the "Everything Else" board.  It's where all the BS takes place.  If one visits the other boards, one will find that the "Elitists" help out whenever possible.  This board is not the place to evaluate the contributions of the more senior members.

[burleytog]

I would think that it's hard to label somebody a "poser" if you don't know ANYTHING about them personally.

Quite easy if you read enough of their posts to get a good sample of the BS they are laying out.  Almost as if some people are too stupid to remember what lie they told yesterday.

I was catching up on episodes of The Bass Pro's today and in one particular Art of Angling, Rick Clunn made a very good point.

Clunn stated that when you're dealing with young or new anglers, they tend to brag about every little thing.  Spend a week here and you'll find that out very quickly.

You know what, that's fine.  I was a kid once, I know what it's like.  Or at least I have a few memories of being a kid.

There are people here who in the span of two to three weeks go from being a complete novice to proclaiming master-level proficiency.  And they're not a poser?

The net is full of shams, posers, wanna-be's and brown-eyes.  Why would this forum be any different?

I know we're all here to learn or share knowledge.  It's just that some attempt to do the latter when they haven't done any of the former.  :-X

[ww2farmer]

I would think that it's hard to label somebody a "poser" if you don't know ANYTHING about them personally.

Quite easy if you read enough of their posts to get a good sample of the BS they are laying out. Almost as if some people are too stupid to remember what lie they told yesterday.

I was catching up on episodes of The Bass Pro's today and in one particular Art of Angling, Rick Clunn made a very good point.

Clunn stated that when you're dealing with young or new anglers, they tend to brag about every little thing. Spend a week here and you'll find that out very quickly.

You know what, that's fine. I was a kid once, I know what it's like. Or at least I have a few memories of being a kid.

There are people here who in the span of two to three weeks go from being a complete novice to proclaiming master-level proficiency. And they're not a poser?

The net is full of shams, posers, wanna-be's and brown-eyes. Why would this forum be any different?

I know we're all here to learn or share knowledge. It's just that some attempt to do the latter when they haven't done any of the former. :-X

 My thoughts exactly, I like to get them riled up too, then the expertise flies.

[Guest muddy]

Hey Burley I had a similar conversastion with on e of the mods today, it does get you worn down. There are kids here like Senko77 who knows more about bass fishing than i wll ever learn and their are adults like WELL A LOT OF THE OLDTIMERS HERE, who also know more

There are a lot of newer fellas who , well lets say I have been fishing twice as long than they have been alive and they are all over every thing and giving advice and they could not have used everything they have an opinion on.

You said the other day"" I only have been bass fishing for 2 years" in a very humble reply to a post. Yet you give first hand EXPERIENCE and you truely seek out information and help

WHY PART II

[flechero]

There are people here who in the span of two to three weeks go from being a complete novice to proclaiming master-level proficiency.

"sudden-expertism?" ...lol I fully understand your post and comments but probably shouldn't comment further.... it backfired last time I mentioned the subject, even though I meant no harm.

[jrhennecke]

A get it off my chest before my * head explodes thread...

The poser level is high here. And God forbid you call anyone on their BS.

I would think that it's hard to label somebody a "poser" if you don't know ANYTHING about them personally. I think it safe to say that only a handful of the members here even know each other. That would mean that you're either the self proclaimed barometer of poser-ness, or you just assume that some people are wrong because you think that you are right.

Having watched as a non-user here for awhile, it seems like people with tenure are allowed to do some things that are straight up rude sometimes that other people are not. It's sort of accepted as the cultural norm.

It's not forbidden to call someone on BS here from what I understand. It does, however, help your case if you have some sort of fact-based information to show that what they said is actually BS, and not just something that you don't agree with.

It's possible that the site has taken a slant towards what you think it is because the respectful/mature/knowledgeable folks get tired of the boo-hooing by some of the eliteists and leave. This is a shared community that has an open membership. Some have just been here longer than others, that's all your post count means. The way you carry and represent yourself as a person is what garners you respect.

Exactly.  I don't understand were some folks think because they have a higher post count they know more than anyone who may be trying to sharer their  knowledge and or opinion.  After all isn't that what this forum is about.  Who cares if someone posts on every thread.  Who cares if someone doesn't take your advice.  That is all it is. Advice and opinion.  Calling someone a poser?  Based on what?  Being new to this site I appreciate those of you who put the work in to make this forum what it is.  For those of you who seem to feel that those of us who are new to the forum or you think are too young to have valid information, sorry but you should get to know someone before you dismiss them as a poser.

[grimlin]

You know,when i was little i always like to fart and watch the bubbles come up...it seemed to smell better too . :-/

*goes off to lala land*

[Gatorbassman]

Burly, I understand what you are saying. When I had been on the forum for a few months there were these two young guys. They were 18 or 19 years old. They were fishing buddies and they thought they knew everything. I took their garbage for a little while but when they tried to convince everyone that they caught a spawning bass on the bed in September that's when I lost it and I made a post much like what you have done here. Thank the lord they have gone off and joined the Navy or something like that. I probably would have left this place if they would have stayed.

But lets look at this from another angle.

A young angler who is thirsting for bass knowledge finds this site and starts to soak up every bit of information he can. As the days and weeks pass he starts to understand the atmosphere we have here and he wants to get more involved. So he begins to look for questions he knows the answer to for the purpose of giving back some of the knowledge he has learned. That's fine so long as the advice that is given is accurate and not misleading. We shouldn't begin to discourage young members from doing this. Now if the advice is misleading or totally inaccurate then I feel it is time to set the record straight. I know that with a little understanding and tact things can be straightened up without problems.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

I agree,....and I have over 4000 more posts than Fluke so NOW it means something!! ;D