901 nitro Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 went to bass pro in springfield and looked at cabelas catalog and other stores.its all the same . everything is made in china.fenwick, cabales and bass pro want to sell there brand rods for 180.00 that are made in china. all of bass pro and cabelas house branded rods are made in china.lures tons of them are made in china. fishing line all made in china. they seem cheap but the price isn't.did kevin vandam go to china to tell them how he wanted his rods made? i have a nitro team fishing shirt signed by kevin and rick clunn but i don't know where it is made.i wrote to st. croix since i owned about 25 of their rods and bought some hats and shirts all not made in the USA.the president blasted me because if he was going to sell me china, i just buy china well he really ley me have it about buying american made rods supporting the american worker. I am an american worker. now i own 0 st croix rods and won't buy any. so what do you fine americans think? thanks david jones Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 23, 2008 Super User Posted January 23, 2008 The move to offshore assembly is driven by consumer demand for better prices. The major concern, from the consumers point of view, is quality control. This has always been a problem and continues to this day. St. Croix manufactures all of their rods except the Triumph domestically. Quote
901 nitro Posted January 23, 2008 Author Posted January 23, 2008 The move to offshore assembly is driven by consumer demand for better prices. The major concern, from the consumers point of view, is quality control. This has always been a problem and continues to this day. St. Croix manufactures all of their rods except the Triumph domestically. yes i knew that but if you ask for american made hats and shirts stuff like that they don't have it. the president at st. croix told me that he could not find any of that stuff that fishermen would buy and wear. like i said he really blasted me . Quote
Super User burleytog Posted January 23, 2008 Super User Posted January 23, 2008 The move to offshore assembly is driven by consumer corporate demand for better prices higher profits. :-X Quote
skillet Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 and hate to say it but don't see the tide turning any time soon if ever ... As Ever, skillet Quote
Super User Sam Posted January 23, 2008 Super User Posted January 23, 2008 Items are produced overseas based on the plans submitted. Are the items produced overseas up to US standards? Usually, yes. But who knows. Burley is correct when he says corporations want higher profits to keep their stockholders happy. That is the US corporate thinking. So it is cheaper to ship the raw materials to the Orient or Mexico and have their labor assemble the products and return them to the USA. It is even cheaper if you can obtain the raw materials in the Orient or Mexico and have the entire product manufactured in the foreign country. What is so surprising is that Toyota uses more USA manufactgured parts and assembly than do the other auto manufacturers. I was surprised to hear this but it is supposedly true. In Virignia the clothing industry has been destroyed; in Pennsylvania the steel industry is gone; in Louisiana and along the Gulf coast there are the shrimp and crawfish being imported from China; Detroit is in the toilet and there is nothing anyone can do to get the city's economy rolling (including the government that does not create jobs); and in California and Alaska we can't dirll for oil and gas as we may injure a seagull. So we have clean air; beautiful waters; a great country; but our jobs are overseas. And we still purchase goods (and services) that are made in other countries without blinking an eye. Go figure. Quote
Siebert Outdoors Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 The move to offshore assembly is driven by consumer corporate demand for better prices higher profits. :-X True Burley but those higher profits are demanded by the share holders which are you and I. Who would invest their dough into a stock that goes down or never goes up. None of us hopefull. Quote
Super User Root beer Posted January 23, 2008 Super User Posted January 23, 2008 I dont think the consumer has anything to do with it. The goverment and their tax plays more role in offshore producing then consumers. Quote
michbass Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 wow, must not watch t.v either seeing almost all are made overseas as is most electronics. What kind of reels are you using because a lot of them are made overseas also. I am American and would do anything to protect this country but until we can make products that meet overseas quality I don't know what to do. I own a Chevy that is made in Mexico but the Toyota Tacoma is made in the U.S. I guess I should sell the Chevy and buy Toyota because its made here? Who ever makes what I feel is better gets my money. Not looking to offend anyone here either. Quote
Cajun1977 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 sorry but im having a little difficulty understanding your post, you owned 25 st croix rods and since you found out they are made in china you got rid of them? Is this correct? Quote
901 nitro Posted January 24, 2008 Author Posted January 24, 2008 sorry but im having a little difficulty understanding your post, you owned 25 st croix rods and since you found out they are made in china you got rid of them? Is this correct?no none of those rods were made in china. their hat and stuff are not UsA.i sold them because the president of st. croix jumped all over me for saying i should buy china if i'm buying chinese hats.i sold all of them the rods now i use loomis. Quote
Super User KU_Bassmaster. Posted January 24, 2008 Super User Posted January 24, 2008 Tried buying any Loomis apparel yet?? I am pretty sure that you are going to be disappointed once again. Quote
KYbass1276 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Would I be wrong to say that Wal-mart had alot to do with getting the products made in china ball rolling. I know we had stuff before coming from china but it seems like Wal-mart put more fuel on the fire. Wal-mart should be called China mart. If I'm wrong please correct me and give me the answer where it got started. And I do think china made products are junk, gotten to many crap items made in china for anyone to tell me otherwise. Not to mention having to test toys for lead paint, Now thats qaulity. Quote
Super User burleytog Posted January 24, 2008 Super User Posted January 24, 2008 I dont think the consumer has anything to do with it. The goverment and their tax plays more role in offshore producing then consumers. You do realize that business do not pay taxes. Quote
clipper Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I look for "Made in USA", especially on tools. Won't buy tools made in China. I will pay more to get something made in this country because I think it is made better and will last longer. When I have to, I will buy something made in China but I gripe and belly ache about it when I do. I don't mind buying stuff made in Japan because it is usually good quality. Quote
Pond Hopper Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I dont think the consumer has anything to do with it. The goverment and their tax plays more role in offshore producing then consumers. You do realize that business do not pay taxes. Since when do businesses not pay taxes? : Quote
Super User burleytog Posted January 24, 2008 Super User Posted January 24, 2008 I dont think the consumer has anything to do with it. The goverment and their tax plays more role in offshore producing then consumers. You do realize that business do not pay taxes. Since when do businesses not pay taxes? : Since they pass those taxes on to the consumer. Quote
Pond Hopper Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I dont think the consumer has anything to do with it. The goverment and their tax plays more role in offshore producing then consumers. You do realize that business do not pay taxes. Since when do businesses not pay taxes? : Since they pass those taxes on to the consumer. Businesses still pay taxes, based on profits. It is also one of those things that is seen as double taxation...businesses pay taxes on their profits and then investors pay taxes on the dividends and gains that they make investing in that businesses operations. To say businesses do not pay taxes is just ignorant. Quote
Super User burleytog Posted January 24, 2008 Super User Posted January 24, 2008 Those taxes are part of the cost of doing business. Therefore part of the price of those shoes or that reel or that bait. Without the consumer the business would have no money to tax. http://www.boortz.com Quote
Pond Hopper Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Those taxes are part of the cost of doing business. Therefore part of the price of those shoes or that reel or that bait. Without the consumer the business would have no money to tax. http://www.boortz.com So we can blame it all on the government, who taxes those goods and businesses. And the government supports the people, and the roads they drive on, the schools their children attend, etc...so then it is all the people who are at fault? : Quote
Super User burleytog Posted January 24, 2008 Super User Posted January 24, 2008 All I'm saying is that the term 'business tax' is a misnomer. Quote
Super User Alpster Posted January 24, 2008 Super User Posted January 24, 2008 Back on topic... You don't have to like Chinese, Japanese, Tiawanese, or other countries products, but you no longer have a choice about competing with them in business. It's a global economy now, and there is nothing that can be done about it except compete in it. You either have to beat them or join them. They are not going away. BTW- I own a small business in the good old USA and almost exactly 1/2 of every dollar that comes through my door goes to some type of tax. Ronnie Quote
KYbass1276 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 BTW- I own a small business in the good old USA and almost exactly 1/2 of every dollar that comes through my door goes to some type of tax. Ronnie Ouch that just isn't right. Quote
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