RobbyZ5001 Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 Any online poker players here? If so do you play for enjoyment money. How do you do, roll, streaks, etc. I play off and on in binges strictly for money. Between cash outs and putting money into it I am probably only up $400 over 30k logged transactions between tables buy ins etc.
Super User Bassn Blvd Posted December 20, 2007 Super User Posted December 20, 2007 I play on 2 sites for money for past 3 yrs. I could probaly have bought a new Triton and about 10 more Loomis' and Reels since beginning. most I won at 800 person tourny was $6300.00. Came in 3rd. I play mostly 9 person sit & go's. Longest streak was 16x in a row finished in top 3.
Super User Long Mike Posted December 20, 2007 Super User Posted December 20, 2007 Sorry, pal, but if you are betting real money, have invested 30 grand, and have earned only $400, I would have to say that you need to get another hobby. That is one crappy return on investment. If you bought a $30,000 CD paying only three percent, you would have made $900. Your post may have been made in jest, but if it wasn't, I perceive it as a cry for help. There are a few of us regulars here who can give you sound advice, but alas, I'm not one of them. Hopefully they will chime in.
RobbyZ5001 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 I am dumb but not THAT dumb! No I haven't invested 30 grand. I may have worded it wrong. I mean between the debits and credits on file not net activity.
Guest muddy Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 I used to play 7 card stud . black jack and Craps. I bet in every sport imaginable and can tell you GAMBELING IS A DEAD END FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT AND A ONE WAY CONDUIT FOR YOU MONEY INTO THE HOUES POCKETS. Ever see a bookie riding the bus? The hiouse is always favored, you can't beat them in the long run, because the more you play the greater the odds are for the house Try and do some research, most of the gaming, including those Hold em sites, are owned by wise guys and they have a noturious rep for paying off in the beggining thwen when you actually snmash a big one, wiat til you see how hard it is to collect
Super User Bassn Blvd Posted December 20, 2007 Super User Posted December 20, 2007 I used to play 7 card stud . black jack and Craps. I bet in every sport imaginable and can tell you GAMBELING IS A DEAD END FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT AND A ONE WAY CONDUIT FOR YOU MONEY INTO THE HOUES POCKETS. Ever see a bookie riding the bus? The hiouse is always favored, you can't beat them in the long run, because the more you play the greater the odds are for the house Try and do some research, most of the gaming, including those Hold em sites, are owned by wise guys and they have a noturious rep for paying off in the beggining thwen when you actually snmash a big one, wiat til you see how hard it is to collect You gotta stop playing in the streets. LOL. I was getting a check every other week for 4 months from 300-800 bucks when I was regulary playing. Your not playing the house in On-Line poker but it can be VERY addictive and easy to go bankrupt. I don't recommend doing it for an income and set a limit.
Super User grimlin Posted December 20, 2007 Super User Posted December 20, 2007 I play for fun...not money.
Guest muddy Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 I used to play 7 card stud . black jack and Craps. I bet in every sport imaginable and can tell you GAMBELING IS A DEAD END FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT AND A ONE WAY CONDUIT FOR YOU MONEY INTO THE HOUES POCKETS. Ever see a bookie riding the bus? The hiouse is always favored, you can't beat them in the long run, because the more you play the greater the odds are for the house Try and do some research, most of the gaming, including those Hold em sites, are owned by wise guys and they have a noturious rep for paying off in the beggining thwen when you actually snmash a big one, wiat til you see how hard it is to collect You gotta stop playing in the streets. LOL. I was getting a check every other week for 4 months from 300-800 bucks when I was regulary playing. Your not playing the house in On-Line poker but it can be VERY addictive and easy to go bankrupt. I don't recommend doing it for an income and set a limit. I played mostly in 'Social clubs" they were safe and great places from the late 60's on. I cant tell me how many fellas sounded like you, gotta control it,play reputable, I am bringing in a few hudred a week,THEY AND I SAID THAT we all became ATM"S every Monday for the bookies sonner or later. I havent gambled ( Other than a POWERBALL DRAWING) for over 20 years, do not miss a day. I love horses and only watch major races now, at home for no money ;D
Hoover Posted December 20, 2007 Posted December 20, 2007 BTW, I am not sure that online gambling is legal in the USA. You might want to be careful what you say on the forums on this issue. Tom
RobbyZ5001 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Posted December 20, 2007 Posted by: Hoover Posted on: Today at 6:01pm BTW, I am not sure that online gambling is legal in the USA. You might want to be careful what you say on the forums on this issue. Tom Party Pooper! :
Super User Bassn Blvd Posted December 21, 2007 Super User Posted December 21, 2007 BTW, I am not sure that online gambling is legal in the USA. You might want to be careful what you say on the forums on this issue. Tom Funny aint it....Our Country makes everything illegal that they can't control( get their cut) ....Turn me in.
fish-fighting-illini Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 Posted by: Hoover Posted on: Today at 6:01pm BTW, I am not sure that online gambling is legal in the USA. You might want to be careful what you say on the forums on this issue. Tom Party Pooper! : I play only for fun and have no desire to play for cash. Not everyone can do that I think people's brains are just wired different I've seen high school kids getting in way over their heads and it is a shame. Live games at kid's houses for many hundreds of $$
Super User roadwarrior Posted December 21, 2007 Super User Posted December 21, 2007 Everybody wins! I heard they built all those billion dollar casinos just so it would be more comfortable and convenient for gamblers to collect their winnings. :
Tokyo Tony Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 I play a lot of internet poker and go to the Foxwood's poker room all the time (I live an hour from there). Poker is NOT gambling. You're not playing against the house, but against other players. In any given night the best player in the world can lose, but in the long run, there is literally ZERO possibility of losing if you're a better player than your opponents, that is to say, if you make better poker decisions than your opponents. It's a game of skill, and much like bass fishing, any given day or night you can lose or win, but over the long run the cream will rise to the top. Actually, it's exactly like bass fishing in that sense. Why are the same guys on the leaderboard week after week on the bass tours? It's the same reason that the same poker players keep ending up at the final tables of all of these big poker tourneys: they're more skilled than the other guys. Of course, nowadays, with poker tourneys, it's more of a crapshoot just because of the sheer number of players who enter, but even so, a lot of the same players keep ending up at final tables.
Guest muddy Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 I don't know how to tell you this TONY: Def.OF GAMBILING from on line College Wbster Dictonary: a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest. b. To play a game of chance for stakes. 2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit Every hand in all forms of poker, is figured by ODDS, not certantity, otherwise the bluff could never work.I played 90% of the time 7 card stud, and occasionally 5 card draw. Holdem fad hadn't started yet. i can't tell you how many times I was chasing an 8 to 5 card and folded in the sense of investnment has to be worth the risk. PS All 50 states consider that Poker involving monetary stakes as gambiling YOU ARE GAMBILING, no matter what you believe your skill level to be. If you are a young person reading this please stick to fishing or you will wind up paying everyone elses bills except your own 8-)
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted December 21, 2007 Super User Posted December 21, 2007 I play a lot of internet poker and go to the Foxwood's poker room all the time (I live an hour from there). Poker is NOT gambling. You're not playing against the house, but against other players. In any given night the best player in the world can lose, but in the long run, there is literally ZERO possibility of losing if you're a better player than your opponents, that is to say, if you make better poker decisions than your opponents. It's a game of skill, and much like bass fishing, any given day or night you can lose or win, but over the long run the cream will rise to the top. Actually, it's exactly like bass fishing in that sense. Why are the same guys on the leaderboard week after week on the bass tours? It's the same reason that the same poker players keep ending up at the final tables of all of these big poker tourneys: they're more skilled than the other guys. Of course, nowadays, with poker tourneys, it's more of a crapshoot just because of the sheer number of players who enter, but even so, a lot of the same players keep ending up at final tables. Stated like someone who could get in over their head very quickly. For you to say poker is not gambling is ludacris. I will agree that players possess skill, but not thinking it is still a game of chance is unrealistic. Wayne
Tokyo Tony Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 In any given night, yes, it could be considered gambling. But over the long run, whether that's a year or several years, if you make better decisions than your opponents, there is literally zero chance you can lose. I always play within my limits, never have more money on the table than I'm willing to lose. Ever. You're not playing against the house. I would never play a table game against the house. There is literally zero chance you can win in the long run. But poker is a game of skill, just like fishing. If you play Hold'em and are drawing to a flush on the flop (first three community cards), and you have better than the approximate 5 to 1 odds to call, and you call (or raise in some situations depending on the fold equity or possibility of a free card - also when you factor the possibility of someone drawing to a higher flush or a full house), that's a good move. If you have less than 5 to 1 odds and you call, you're not a good poker player and you will lose in the long run. Of course, you may get lucky and hit that flush, but the pot you win will not have been worth the risk. Poker is playing the odds, and when you play the odds correctly over the long run, you can't lose. Any given hand, and any given night, poker could be considered gambling. But it's not gambling in the sense that blackjack or craps is, just because in those games you're playing against the odds. When you play good poker, the odds are in your favor. Granted, it's very difficult to be a winning poker player. It's taken me years and dozens of books, and I do take slight offense to the idea that I'm gambling and don't realize it. I can win at the stakes I play, which are not that high 5/10 and 10/20 limit, but I'd never go way up in stakes (to 20/40 or 40/80) because I'll admit that I cannot yet win at those levels. Those players are better than I am, so that would be gambling. But the players at my stakes make more mistakes than I do, so I win.
Guest muddy Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 You can take all the offense you want it's still gambeling! Even the braclet wearers go bust, more than ocassionally. The ***** in the armor is you are not playing against an automatic machine, the people at the table all have emotions and some do not play by odds ever watch a Newbee drive more experienced players off a table?
Tokyo Tony Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 You can take all the offense you want it's still gambeling! Even the braclet wearers go bust, more than ocassionally. They go bust because they put it all on the line. But how much do you think these guys are up over their lives in poker? A crapload for sure... 'Gambling' implies an uncertain outcome. In the longrun, the outcome is not uncertain. In any given night, it is uncertain. So in any given night, it could be considered gambling, but not in the long run. And when a newbie dominates the table during a 2 or 3 hour session (which I see all the time), it's not because of skill. He gets good cards. But put him at the table for a month and he'll be worse than broke.
Guest muddy Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 I am not going to get in an argument over this, on a road I have been down and you are just getting onto. For the sake of youngsters here know I said these same words about a system of shooting craps, I paid 1,200 bucks to learn in 1969 ( a lot of money in those days) and a system of betting horses in Spring meetings on NY Tracks , before Lasix was allowed in NY. Couldn't loose, one of the all time gratest trainers DW Lukas would briong in shippers from Cali and would mop up in the spring, because they still had the Lasix effects in them from Cali> IT WORKED LIKE A CHARM for 5 seasons, gave it all back and more in the following 3 You kids out there wanna make a good living GO TO SCHOOL. find something you like and work for it WORKS EVERYTIME As far as Mr.Tokoyo's theroy of playing against other players is not gambeling because hes not betting against the house GO TO A GAMBLERS ANONYMOUS meeting and see how many guys justified and lived in denial using the same line With that I leave this thread I hope a kid or two can be reached by what I wrote because thats the truth
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