Roger Clemens and Steroids???

[llPa1nll]

Uh Oh could the Yankees golden boy be on the juice? Read more here.

[roadwarrior]

The full report is scheduled for release at 2:00 PM EST today.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316645,00.html

[Matt Fly]

Not surprised, and won't be surprised with any names that shows up.

[Guest muddy]

OLD NEWS, his name came up months ago, in the Sporting News :-/ Thats Fox right on top of it

Barry Bonds has an adverseral relationship with the press,Clemens is the darling of the press. Both men show the physical traits ( Primary among them head growth after age 35) of maybe having used at least HGH, but the press has largley left Clemens alone

[michbass]

For the amount you pay for season tickets they better be taking something to enhance there performance.   Its there bodies I don't really have a problem with it. Come on Juice has been HUGE is sports for over 20 years. It is nothing no, you would have to live under a rock not o know that. You don't get 350lb muscular football players without it, well maybe the on freak in a 100?

[Guest muddy]

So let me get this straight; It's OK to encourage kids, because all Pros were one day amatuer athlets to use performance enhancing drugs which; Steroids lead to cancer and violent behavior, amphetamines; dependance and violent and erratic behavior and HGH, all sorts of cancers, in order to get a pay check. Because if they all do it and it's their bodies then this would be encouragingg kids to use substances that can lead to early deaths and violence and ARE ILLEGAL. That doesnt make much sense to me. :-/

See Lyle Alzado, whatever that wrestlers name is that killed himself and his family and Strawberry who started doing coke for extra punch before games. The list could fill the screen, those are just some of the higher profile names

[bassmasta7]

I dont know if you mean chris benoit the wrestler. He lived down the street from me which is kinda scary.

But anyways after seeing those names, not one of them surprises me. I have been suspecting clemens for years and you would occassionally hear mutters on tv about it. I read some of the report and it talks briefly about some players but in depth with clemens and petite. They have a lot of evidence against those guys but only some evidence against others. Im sick of Roger Clemens and even though he is one of the best pitchers ever without it, he shouldnt be allowed near the HOF like Bonds.

I heard Pujols was mentioned in the report but that is not true, he is not mentioned anywhere in it.

[Guest muddy]

Hey Basmasta7 : Who wrote that article in the Sporting News, I know we were talking about this during the season Was it in Dowd's or Gammon's article?

[Tin]

I'm acctually somewhat happy there are some Red Sox name on that list. Since Mitchell owns a part of the sox, if there were not any sox names, then it would have been chaos. Dirty politics and such.

[rondef]

That report does not expose all of the roid and hgh users.  It only reports a fraction of them based upon a couple of snitches trying to save there behinds from prison terms for selling the stuff.

[Tin]

Still in shock about Clemens, respected him sooooo much as a player, but now this. His name is ruined.

[Guest muddy]

Hey Rondef: The Mitchell Report was commisioned by Selig and MLB, no jail trems etc. apply here. Selig was taking a last ditch attempt to make it look like his office was actually finally doing something. Congress was threating to do it and so he fianlly got off his butt.

[bassmasta7]

Hey Basmasta7 : Who wrote that article in the Sporting News, I know we were talking about this during the season Was it in Dowd's or Gammon's article?

I remember talking about it but I dont remember who wrote it. I'm pretty sure it wasnt Gammons.

[cart7t]

I like the fact that Selig called them what they are

Cheaters.

They cheated the fans and MLB.  They've tarnished the sport forever.  How anyone can ever look at a MLB record book with a straight face is beyond me now.

That said, it appears that they were all in on this one and profited from it.

Didn't anyone ever start to smell anything when hitting 60 home runs in a season suddenly became easy?

[Guest muddy]

Lets call Selig what he is A Sellout Owner disguised as a Commish. They knew about this during the HR single year chases and dragged their Butts until that and Aarons records fell and they collected all those ticket. I aint buying the Selig for Saithood stuff for a minute

[Guest muddy]

I have to correct something I posted above, although this was noit a criminal investigation, it was commishoned by MLB, one of the star witnesses did give up testimony as per a plea bargin deal from another investigation.

[cart7t]

I agree muddy.  I'm not calling Selig a saint by any means.  It was clear that it was a no ask no tell situation in MLB during the 90's.  The turnstiles were turning again after the stike ruined MLB attendance in the early 90's and a good steroid induced homerun derby was just what the league needed to get people back in the stands.  I can tell you. as someone who lives in St. Louis, there's something of a rather raw feeling people are having towards Mark McGwire.  Considering his pathetic performance in front of the congressional hearing and now his name again being brought up in this report, I wouldn't be surprised if they take down the "Mark McGwire Memorial Highway" signs on Interstate 70 downtown.  It really taints that homerun derby and the great vibe the city had in those years.  To think Sosa was doing the same makes it even worse.

Basically, the players were cheating and MLB closed it's eyes because the turnstiles were spinning again.

It's going to take a long time for this sport to recover.

[Guest muddy]

They can just turn the name into PHARMAHIGHWAY

[nboucher]

I haven't read the report, and I'm not making excuses for the players, but this is much bigger than the players. GMs, owners, and MLB officials all knew to varying degrees that this was going on, and at best they were in denial about it all and at worst they were complicit or looked the other way. What to do if you were a player during the steroid era? There was simply no downside to taking steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs then. Heck, even the fans deserve some blame: the fascination with lots of long home runs kept putting butts in seats, even if (okay, now I'm sounding like a baseball snob) that's just one dimension of the game and in some ways the least interesting one.

So we call out Bonds and Clemens. Big deal. It's not like everyone else was against the stuff and these guys defied everyone by ingesting or injecting this junk. Selig may not be a hypocrite, but he's still in denial if he thinks this is primarily about the players.

[Matt Fly]

I don't understand how steriods got swepted under the carpet in the 80's?

With the deaths of prominent athletes in the 80's, it was no secret back then.

Did any of you know how many of the starting offensive linemen are still alive from the 4 time Super Bowl Champs Steelers of the 70's ?????

How many Raiders from Maddens team?      

To me, when you have the Deaths of Lyle Azado and others docuemented and then look at all the young player in late 30's and 40's who just up and died at early ages spelled out something.

Why would athletes who are in prime health just all up and die??????

    Steroids and sports has never taken me by surprise, only surprise is how long its taken to bring them out in the open.

   

[Guest avid]

I really hate these kinds of reports.

we have the greatest system of justice in the entire world.  Flawed?.....absolutely.........................anything better?...........not a chance.

An investigation of steroid use in baseball is absolutely warranted.  Look at Barry Bonds' head for Chrisssake.

but at the conclusion of the investigation the material should be presented to a grand jury, who will choose to, or not to issue an indictment.

Then the charges can be addressed via due process where everyone gets their day in court.  If they juiced.   then they should face the consequences.

If not they are exonerated publically.

None of this grandstanding crap that may be good for votes but is disdainful of the basic consitutional premise. "innocent untill proven guilty"  

[llPa1nll]

Most of these indications came from someone turning over evidence to protect himself from jail time. These accusations although some maybe true are mostly hearsay. With no judicial punishment from the government this is merely finger pointing that will result in maybe more testing but not much else. The other notable thing is while steroids is able to be tested for HGH isnt so other than purchase receipts and shipping orders there is no way of actually knowing whether or not the person is doping or not.

[Guest muddy]

I haven't read the report, and I'm not making excuses for the players, but this is much bigger than the players. GMs, owners, and MLB officials all knew to varying degrees that this was going on, and at best they were in denial about it all and at worst they were complicit or looked the other way. What to do if you were a player during the steroid era? There was simply no downside to taking steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs then. Heck, even the fans deserve some blame: the fascination with lots of long home runs kept putting butts in seats, even if (okay, now I'm sounding like a baseball snob) that's just one dimension of the game and in some ways the least interesting one.

So we call out Bonds and Clemens. Big deal. It's not like everyone else was against the stuff and these guys defied everyone by ingesting or injecting this junk. Selig may not be a hypocrite, but he's still in denial if he thinks this is primarily about the players.

EXCELLENT NORMAN

[Guest muddy]

HEY MATT FLY: I do not know much about football, but I can tell tell you for decades the Baseball Writers , not the ESPN VIDHEADS, but all the old beat writers, like LUPICA<DOWD<MADDEN and such have been trying to get MLB to adress this to no end. Selig was an owner turned commish., they think he's brialliant for getting baseball away from the strike image. His vehicile was home runs.Under his watch we got lively balls, warnings to pitchers throwing INSIDE, strike zone manipulation and finally the home run race between Sosa,McGuire and Bonds. Is it really any surprise that Bonds was able to finish his quest, everystadium he went to was full and those games were the highest rated Nielsen Ratings for MLB in a long time. This whole thing stinks to high heaven

[Guest muddy]

Most of these indications came from someone turning over evidence to protect himself from jail time. These accusations although some maybe true are mostly hearsay. With no judicial punishment from the government this is merely finger pointing that will result in maybe more testing but not much else. The other notable thing is while steroids is able to be tested for HGH isnt so other than purchase receipts and shipping orders there is no way of actually knowing whether or not the person is doping or not.

REDSOX FANS CAN"T TAKE THE POSSIBILITY OF THE GOLDEN PITCHER CHEATING ;D