Global Warming?

[Hookem]

An effect of global warming is extremes in weather. Not saying that GW is the cause of this but......

Our highs for the this week.......

Sunday - 81 degrees

Monday - 48

Tuesday - 78

Todays forecast high - 46

[Catt]

Ask the people in Oklahoma, Kansas, & Missouri if they believe in Global Warming?

I remember the same thing last year  

[Hookem]

If I ask a mid-westerner a question of global warming in the winter, can they ask us about it in the summer?  

[luckyinkentucky]

The common ignorance of most people is that they mistake a high temperature for the month or that time of year for Global Warming.  The Gulf Stream regulates a lot of temps.  If you watch the Gulf Stream you will see that a lot of temperatures along that area are warmer than usual.  This is not Global Warming, but rather warmer air being brought up from the Gulf and/or the Atlantic if you are in Europe.  

Global warming is a GLOBAL temperature change of 2 degrees or more across the board.  Just because you have unseasonable temps in December doesn't mean it's GW.  It just means the Gulf Stream brought warm temps to your area.  In the winter you will see the opposite later in the season.  The arctic current will bring down colder air, and you will have colder temps than normal in some areas.  

[Hookem]

Me thinks its the jet stream that brings us most of our weather.

[Tokyo Tony]

The whole global warming idea is ridiculous. I'm not saying it's not happening, but no one can prove that emmissions or any other human activity is the cause, or even significantly contributing to "global warming". I hate listening to people saying, "Oh man it's hot out today, gotta hate that global warming huh?" I cringe when I hear that. There are so many factors to consider that it's literally impossible to know whether we are having any effect on global temperatures - all we can do is speculate, and this speculation is precisely what politicians pass off as proven fact.

The best quote I've heard regarding global warming was by someone at NASA, and it went something like this (I paraphrase), "It is very presumptuous to assume that the current global temperature is what is best for the world..." Basically, even if you concede that we are the sole cause of global warming (which as I said cannot be proven), who are YOU to say that global warming would be a bad thing overall?

[Troutfisher]

Good response Tokyo!

[Guest muddy]

to each his own but i see no problem in creating better emissions and clean air acts or taking a look at things going on and believing in a better alternative to certain issues

I agree that we can and should clean up the air to make it healthier for us to breath. But to use unproven scientific theories as a scare tactic to make political or financial gain is wrong.

It reminds me of a story of a little chicken that got hit in the head by a nut.

HEY I NEVER EVER HIT ANY CHICKEN

[HUNTER19]

Global warming is happining like it or not dose CO2 cause it not sure! i come to the conclusion that it is natural! Example a long time a go like 18000 years or something the North American continent was basically covered in glaciers. What happend to those they melted some still exist such as the ones in Glacier national park ect. those are melting slowly but surely. Were the Great lakes are no there was a huge glacial lake dont remember the name however the ice d**n broke and not all but some of that fresh water went into the ocean! this messed with the current in the ocean causing it to cool down thus casing asia to go into a semi ice age... So if greenland melts will the cycle repeat? Wierd temps in my opinion have nothing to do with GW. There has been Wierd temps in the past look at the records. I think when people refer to GW in the case of wierd weather its a figure of speech because most people have no real understanding of global warming!! I could be wrong I'm not sayin im right just thought i would throw that out there!!

[roadwarrior]

More to ponder:  We are STILL in the "ice age".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Age

[Guest muddy]

Hey Fellas; Ecosystems like to be in a state of Homeostasis : the sum of all the complex systems keeps things together. Granted there are fear mongers out there, but we keep throwing more and more crap into the air,not to mention the oceans. How much the ecosystem can endure is something that should be looked at, now that we have a lot of the scientific tools necessary to do the research

The natural changes the earth, in fact the universe goes through can not be denied or stopped , that is just the arrogance of mankind thinking that we have some kind of profound effect in the universe.

But it is certinly wise, considering the amount of us on the planet now, and the pollution that comes with it to see if we can be more wise in the treatment of our planet.We can put too much into a system that seeks to be in a condition of homeostasis that the system can not deal with, so to that end it would be wise to see whats up.

[Alpster]

I am the president and founder of the NAAGW. That's the National Association for the Advancement of Global Warming. I am freezing my butt off!

Ronnie

[Guest muddy]

Hey Ronnie NOREASTER HEADED OUR WAY FOR THE WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!! :-/

[Zel]

I am the president and founder of the NAAGW. That's the National Association for the Advancement of Global Warming. I am freezing my butt off!

Alpster, but I bet Al Gore's Carbon Footprint is still bigger than your Carbon Footprint.

And Muddy makes some very good points.  Absolutely, we should keep promoting efforts to keep our air, water and other natural resources clean and healthy.  But to devastate our economy doing things that will have little to no effect on global conditions, based essentially on junk science, just doesn't make sense.

[Tokyo Tony]

Hey Fellas; Ecosystems like to be in a state of Homeostasis : the sum of all the complex systems keeps things together. Granted there are fear mongers out there, but we keep throwing more and more crap into the air,not to mention the oceans. How much the ecosystem can endure is something that should be looked at, now that we have a lot of the scientific tools necessary to do the research

The natural changes the earth, in fact the universe goes through can not be denied or stopped , that is just the arrogance of mankind thinking that we have some kind of profound effect in the universe.

But it is certinly wise, considering the amount of us on the planet now, and the pollution that comes with it to see if we can be more wise in the treatment of our planet.We can put too much into a system that seeks to be in a condition of homeostasis that the system can not deal with, so to that end it would be wise to see whats up.

It's never a bad idea to keep the environment clean, but I hate that scare propaganda is used to push the cause. Pollution is a problem, but for a variety of reasons, one of which *may* be global warming. Personally, I do my part (within reason) to keep the environment clean for the sake of the wildlife and for the sake of people who have the right to live in and enjoy a clean environment.

[Guest avid]

Yo RW.

Before you start quoting wikipedia and other sources on the level of national enqurier.

Maybe you should find that Fox news report about the ice caps reforming.  

Your initial post is in direct conflict to the Fox news LINK provided by fish tank that clearly has them reporting a record melting of Arctic ice in the summer of 2007, that is so drastic it supports the view that the planet has passed the "tipping point" and nothing we do can reverse the climatic upheaval that is absolutely coming.

C'mon dude,   You started this thing......now show us the report.  

[roadwarrior]

Reported yesterday by Brit Hume, Washington D.C. Managing Editor of Fox News. His column is a regular feature, "Special Report w/ Brit Hume".

[Tokyo Tony]

the view that the planet has passed the "tipping point" and nothing we do can reverse the climatic upheaval that is absolutely coming.

I don't know if we can say that anything is "absolutely coming", and if there is nothing we can do now, that would seem to suggest that there was nothing we could have done to bring it about, especially considering the scale of time we're talking about here.  Earth time vs. human time, that is.

The problem with global warming "facts" is that there are so many seemingly factual pieces of information that directly contradict others.  I don't know which sources are most trustworthy, but you'll always get a lot of this contradiction and it can really make your head spin.

My stance is to take all of it with a less-than-average-sized grain of salt, and always remember that even if we are contributing to global warming, we can't say with any certainty that in the grand scheme of things, global warming would be a bad thing.

[Tin]

we can't say with any certainty that in the grand scheme of things, global warming would be a bad thing.

No, it would be a great thing us Yankees could fish year round!!

If there were educated people back in the day when the last ice age came about, do you think they would have come up with this idea of Global Freezing? It is just a weather pattern, and if it isn't we will probably all be long gone before anyone finds out if it is a good or a bad thing.

[Tokyo Tony]

No, it would be a great thing us Yankees could fish year round!!

If we were to weight the pros and cons, that would definitely be in the column labeled "Pros"  

[FishTank]

This was taken from today's Republican Debate and I know this goes down the Political Road but I just wanted to point out that a couple of people have made a few comments that I did not expect.

ARIZONA SEN. JOHN MCCAIN:

- "I know that climate change is real."

- "It's real, we've got to address it, we can do it with technology, with cap and trade, with capitalist and free enterprise motivation. And I'm confident that we can pass on to our children and grandchildren a cleaner, better world."

* FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI:

- "Climate change is real. It's happening. I believe human beings are contributing to it."  

Of course this could all be BS just for the debate but they said it.

[moby bass]

I must say that, for the most part, this is the most level headed bunch of people I've seen yet, not blindly

swallowing the global warming bunk.  Take a look at an image of the earth taken from the moon or a satellite, look at it overall, try to place your insignificant little self in that picture and tell me man can do ANYTHING to change the climate of the earth.  I've said it before, I'll say it again, like a few others here, follow the money.  Its all about the money.  In the centuries since the last ice age we've had what could probably be called, global warming, thank goodness!

[Guest muddy]

It's not only the money peoples beliefs blind them. Like a detective who already has a suspect and only pays attention to the information that lead to that suspect, only to have another cop arrest the right guy :-/

It's like>> Dec.30,1999 at 11.59pm, all the nuts running around saying all the computers were going to go wacky and we are at Armagedon, some folks even committed suicide outta fear over this. How many sects and nuts have said this is the moment , based on a sentence they read and keep saying the signs are here for the world to end.

I hope the Met's win another series before Aramagedon does get here

[Hookemdown.]

 I hope the Met's win another series before Aramagedon does get here

That's a pretty tall order muddy :

[=Matt 5.0=]

Well, I started to read this thread...then I saw the Fox News mention and just had to stop.....

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