Global Warming?

[roadwarrior]

Fox News:

In a new study just being reported by Fox News, it turns out that the ice and snow cover in the Arctic has recovered to within 1% of normal- even though the official start of winter is more than a week away. Also, the southern ice cap has an additional 772,000 SQUARE MILES of ice now- compared to a year ago. To put this number in perspective, the total size of Texas is 266,807 square miles.

[NaterD]

I wish this study would have come out a week ago so i could have mentioned that to that guy.

[Guest muddy]

Hey RW let's see if I can get some help with this. I remember a show on the History or Discovery Channel a few years back that dealt with the reversal of the polarity of the earth. There was some both physical and mathmatical evidence that in the evolutionary process of the earth , this had occured before. I beleive that both the Ice Mass and the Density of the ice at the caps would switch up as a sign that the next reversal was coming. That the ice caps of both poles was affected by both oceanic temps and the earths polarity. Anyone know anything about this or remember that show? I am not saying this is what happening because both channels have put up some bad science as fact, just curious if anyone here knows about this.

[roadwarrior]

The magnetic poles shift quite often over time, but the shift is estimated to occur over a period of approximately 10,000 years. There is some evidence that this is currently in process, but we can't be certain for another 8-9,000 years!

I guess we'll talk about it then. :

http://www.halexandria.org/dward761.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

[Guest muddy]

My Lake or yours?

GREAT LINK , I have something to read after work tonigh

[HUNTER19]

Lol fuuny this was brought up becase i just did a big ol' report on global warming!!! its is def a huge topic here!! One of our prof's just won the nobel peace prize because of this topic!!! I had a chance to go to his lecture and never said anything about this anyway the evidence points either way if you ask me!

[Zel]

My 11 year old daughter was very upset the other evening. She said a teacher of hers told her Global Warming is destroying the earth, and that it's our fault this is happening because of CO₂. She said her teacher told her millions will die unless we change our ways, and we do something about it immediately.

Well, I controlled my temper, and told her there were differing opinions on this subject. For the teacher to say this, it means her teacher has closed his mind to science. I also told her that yes the earth is warming, but that the earth warms and cools over time. It has happened before and it will happen again.

I told her next time that her teacher talks about global warming, ask him about the fact that NASA has revealed since 2005 that the ice caps on Mars's south pole have also been shrinking. That fact makes some scientists think that the current global warming might be caused by changes in the sun, and not humans. I also told her some scientists believe we are on the tail end of the global warming period and global cooling will soon start. (That is unless Roadwarrior has been shipping his chili to the Martians).

Finally, I told her I bet many of the same people who are steadfast in their stance that global warming is the fault of humans, are many of the same people who in the 1970's were telling us that humans were the cause of the global cooling which would destroy the earth by sending us into another ice age. I told her there is no definite answer to what is happening, and that is why we need to keep learning about science, and not close our minds to ANY of the facts.

She felt better after our discussion. I respect teachers, but have little respect for those who use fear against children to advance their own agendas.

[Hookemdown.]

RW, do have a link to where you read that article?

thanks

[Cajun1977]

i was taught that global warming has been here since day one,but its just the amopunt of greenhouse gases that have been put in the atmosphere over time that is making the planet warmer as a whole.  i beleive all the studies i have seen it showed that over 98% of scientist believe in it is happening at a more rapid pace, and no matter how anyone spins it society does contribute to it

[rocknfish9001]

I just did a 10 minute lecture on the subject of the hoax of global warming for my speech class here are a few facts to debunk it that you can try to argue

-there has been a tempurature rise, actually. The most accurate satellite based thermometers have detected a .7 degree average increase in the last 100 years. Thats right 7/10ths of a degree. And that is a span of the last 100 years. People argue that the emissions of greenhouse gasses have effects on the temperature increase, but those have only been in a mass emission for about 50 years

-another arguement, increases of CO2 have been taking a blame for global warming. Now greenhouse gasses do regulate temperature. That is why the chances of frost overnight are greater when the skies are clear, the temperature of the outside universe is way below zero. Greenhouse gasses help us from freezing overnight. However, CO2 plays an incredibly small part in this. There has been an increase in CO2, but it is a terribly ineffective greenhouse gas. Water vapors make up a vast majority of the greenhouse gasses, also it is hundreds of times more effective than CO2. A small change in water vapor has a much larger effect on the environment than a staggering change in CO2 levels.

-the ice caps are melting. This is also true. However, some regions have ice caps that are continually growing at astonishing rates, despite a few warm seasons. How is that? The experts say that variables such as precipitation, winds, etc, have a much larger effect on the growth of the ice as opposed to temperatures. Now, if these ice caps can grow through a few slightly warmer years depending on other variables, you dont need to be a scientist to figure that they will shrink on variables besides a temperature increase.

If anybody wants to argue a fact that i havent cover, id be glad to. I consider myself knowledgeble on the subject, and i actually enjoy the chance to debate peacefully.

[Fish Man]

yea but the only reason 98% of scientists believe it is becaus eif they say they believe it then they get paid millions to research it and so trhey can make alot of maney, but if they dont they dont get paid the big bucks, money is power and thats all they are after, not the facts

[Cajun1977]

yea but the only reason 98% of scientists believe it is becaus eif they say they believe it then they get paid millions to research it and so trhey can make alot of maney, but if they dont they dont get paid the big bucks, money is power and thats all they are after, not the facts

well its good to know scientist are just in it for the money, guess theyll be showing  curie, and einsteins place on mtv cribs later this week : ;D

[Cajun1977]

I just did a 10 minute lecture on the subject of the hoax of global warming for my speech class here are a few facts to debunk it that you can try to argue

-there has been a tempurature rise, actually. The most accurate satellite based thermometers have detected a .7 degree average increase in the last 100 years. Thats right 7/10ths of a degree. And that is a span of the last 100 years. People argue that the emissions of greenhouse gasses have effects on the temperature increase, but those have only been in a mass emission for about 50 years

-another arguement, increases of CO2 have been taking a blame for global warming. Now greenhouse gasses do regulate temperature. That is why the chances of frost overnight are greater when the skies are clear, the temperature of the outside universe is way below zero. Greenhouse gasses help us from freezing overnight. However, CO2 plays an incredibly small part in this. There has been an increase in CO2, but it is a terribly ineffective greenhouse gas. Water vapors make up a vast majority of the greenhouse gasses, also it is hundreds of times more effective than CO2. A small change in water vapor has a much larger effect on the environment than a staggering change in CO2 levels.

-the ice caps are melting. This is also true. However, some regions have ice caps that are continually growing at astonishing rates, despite a few warm seasons. How is that? The experts say that variables such as precipitation, winds, etc, have a much larger effect on the growth of the ice as opposed to temperatures. Now, if these ice caps can grow through a few slightly warmer years depending on other variables, you dont need to be a scientist to figure that they will shrink on variables besides a temperature increase.

If anybody wants to argue a fact that i havent cover, id be glad to. I consider myself knowledgeble on the subject, and i actually enjoy the chance to debate peacefully.

where did you get the temperture research? not doubting it i just wanna know.

isnt there something about with less trees and plants pulling in the co2 that the water they would have used just gets evaporated into the air overtime causing the increase in water vapor?its been a while since i took my botany class that i cant hardly remember right from left

[HUNTER19]

yea but the only reason 98% of scientists believe it is becaus eif they say they believe it then they get paid millions to research it and so trhey can make alot of maney, but if they dont they dont get paid the big bucks, money is power and thats all they are after, not the facts

I would have to disagree with that!not every scientist is a greedy one!!!

[Fish Man]

true, we covered this in almost every civics, and science class i have been in for the past couple of years but the majority of them are

[Hookemdown.]

true, we covered this in almost every civics, and science class i have been in for the past couple of years but the majority of them are

I'm going to have to disagree with you there also. The main goal of most scientists is to make an advancement in his/her field and share it with the world.  

But then again it was 70+ degrees today...in DECEMBER!

[Guest avid]

Hey RW let's see if I can get some help with this. I remember a show on the History or Discovery Channel a few years back that dealt with the reversal of the polarity of the earth. There was some both physical and mathmatical evidence that in the evolutionary process of the earth , this had occured before. I beleive that both the Ice Mass and the Density of the ice at the caps would switch up as a sign that the next reversal was coming. That the ice caps of both poles was affected by both oceanic temps and the earths polarity. Anyone know anything about this or remember that show? I am not saying this is what happening because both channels have put up some bad science as fact, just curious if anyone here knows about this.

Ja heeezus..............send a mook to college and this is what you get.

And since when are the poles to blame for climate change?   kielbasa... yes, global warming.... no

P.S. I absolutely CANNOT believe that a mod started this thread.   Fasten your seat belts boys and girls.

[Gatorbassman]

My older brothers have a little experience with the whole scientific world.

One brother is a mathematician. Scientists look to mathematicians for a lot of answers. Don't ask me what answers because that was way over my head when I asked him.

The other brother is a Rocket Scientist. He is the world authority when it comes to space-age optics and weather sensors on satellites and aircraft.

They have both mentioned to me how many of the agencies of scientists who are studying Global Warming seem to have blinders on. If something doesn't fit into their agenda then it is thrown out or changed in some way.

Many years ago my brother designed and built a satellite that would test the ozone layer, locate the holes and tell them how big they really were. Up until this point the ozone layer theory was just that, a theory. It would prove once and for all if it was actually being diminished by the stuff we were putting into the air. After finishing this satellite he started looking for someone to put it into space. He asked every agency in the world and they wouldn't touch it. He tried for several years until several politicians forced him to stop. They threatened to shut his company down if he continued to try to put it into orbit. So it's still just a theory. Now this wasn't the first or last satellite he has put up there.

The thing I'm trying to say is that there are things out there that drive science. One being the natural world. The other is money. But the money has to come from somewhere because these scientists aren't providing any products for sale. The money mostly comes from donations, private grants and government grants. Face it, the majority of those private funds come from people who, (without sounding political) think the world is warming. The government grants are dished out by the politicians who need the world to warm or their political footing might be lost. If the scientists loose the money they are out of a job.

There are a few scientist out there that go against the majority to say that this is a normal trend and that us humans don't have anything to do with it. What do you think happens to them?

[Gatorbassman]

Here's an interesting website. It is about a petition signed by over 18,000 scientist who don't agree with the current global warming theory. It has some good information. This is the other side of the story.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm

[luckyinkentucky]

I'm a bit of a scientist, and I will have to agree that Global Warming is taking hold, but not by our doing.  

It is also true that 90% of scientists don't agree with Global Warming simply because the Government looks at you funny when you even mention it.  A lot of grants are denied simply because of the politics involved.  You don't want a black flag coming up saying you believe in Global Warming.  The Big Oil companies pay Billions of dollars a year to politicians to not stir up any problems for them.

Now, on the Global Warming note.   I believe it will happen again, but not in our lifetime.  The last major global event was around 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age.  This was  a time when much of Asia, North America, and Europe lay buried beneath  glacial ice.  Earth's climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary break from the deep freeze.

Approximately every 100,000 years Earth's climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.

We can tell these things by studies that have been done at both polls involving what are called Core Samples.  These samples contain layers of ice and debris from as far back as the beginning of the last Ice Age.  We can also tell what condition Earth's climate was in by studying the cells of the cores, and this gives us a lot of information to compare with today's readings.  A majority of the samples to date show that the Earth is on it's 'schedule' and the climate we see in today's world isn't that much different than before.  

So, to sum it up.  I believe the Earth will go through another Ice Age, but we will not be the cause of it.  We have only been using fossil fuels for the past 80 years or so.  This is hardly enough time to destroy the Earth's climate in the time alloted.  A lot of scientists treat the Earth's climate as if it was fragile.  I believe the total opposite.  I believe the Earth is much stronger than any of us humans, and we are arrogant to believe we can control the outcome of it or change it.  

[Cajun1977]

to each his own but i see no problem in creating better emissions and clean air acts or taking a look at things going on and believing in a better alternative to certain issues

[Gatorbassman]

to each his own but i see no problem in creating better emissions and clean air acts or taking a look at things going on and believing in a better alternative to certain issues

I agree that we can and should clean up the air to make it healthier for us to breath. But to use unproven scientific theories as a scare tactic to make political or financial gain is wrong.

It reminds me of a story of a little chicken that got hit in the head by a nut.

[HUNTER19]

there is very good evidence for either side of this debate really it could go either way!!! Just depends on what people want to belive is realy what it comes down to!!

[FishTank]

Found this on the Fox News website.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316501,00.html

[KYbass1276]

Hey I'm for a warmer climate,  more fishing time.     Global warming basically = people like Al gore making millions from something that is not true or overrated.    The movie that he made about global warming is only showed at educaters  preferance in Europe.   The reason for this is they found there to be more lies than facts. Also global warming is a good easy way to get your self shown in the public eye without actually haveing a clue about it.     Just look at who one the Nobel peace prize this year for globel warming