Who Will Win the National Championship, OSU or LSU

[Troutfisher]

NEWSFLASH

The SEC and LSU are OVERRATED!

Let the fist fighting begin.

[Catt]

The Sooners beat now ranked #6 Missouri, #19 Texas, & #29 Texas Tech; still only 3 ranked wins to LSU's 4 so y'all win the right to play West Virginia.

Keep in mind Ohio State is 0-8 against the SEC in bowl games so I guess the SEC is over rated.

Les Miles is a Michigan Wolverine to the bone and he would love nothing better than to beat Ohio State

[5bass]

Has any team ever undergone so much and still come out on top?

1) Lose 4 First round draft picks - Starting QB, 2x starting WRs, Starting FS.

2) Lose OC.

3) Lose WR coach.

4) Lose a valuable defensive lineman due to academic problems.

This is all before the season even started.

5) Injuries during summer camp that limited players' abilities to develop: J. Mitchell, Cutrera, etc.

6) Constant in house comparisons/criticisms.

Then:

5) Lose their number 1 receiver 2 weeks into the season (did come back but still struggles with injuries)

6) Lose a key cog in their defensive line, Charles Alexander, who was really asserting himself next to Dorsey.

7) Loses their best player, Glenn Dorsey, for the back half of the season. He "played" but obviously wasn't himself?

8) Lose their starting QB for 2 full games - played with him at half health for another 2-3.

9) A litany of other injuries which hindered different players (Steltz, Taylor, C. Jackson, D. Beckwith)

10) DC embroiled in head coaching talk.

11) Head coach embroiled in head coaching talk.

12) Back-up QB gets in bar altercation.

13) Having to break in 2 converted D-lineman on the O-line, one who seemed to be an emerging star.

And still:

14) 2 losses #27 Arkansas and bowl eligible Kentucky in triple overtime

15) Beat 4 BCS Ranked opponents, 2 bowl eligible opponents, & win their conference

Has any other team undergone so many troubles/losses and came out successfully. When I see teams like OU, Oregon, West Virginia, USC etc. struggle when their starting QB goes down, yet LSU loses theirs and can win their conference championship game - I think it says a lot about how good the whole of the team actually is. And perhaps a lot about the caliber of Coach Miles is.

If anyone hasn't figured it out yet, the "L" in LSU stands for LUCKY

[Dan:]

one of LSU's losses was to an unranked team.

anything after #25 is not a "ranked" team.

[Troutfisher]

Has any team ever undergone so much and still come out on top?

1) Lose 4 First round draft picks - Starting QB, 2x starting WRs, Starting FS.

2) Lose OC.

3) Lose WR coach.

4) Lose a valuable defensive lineman due to academic problems.

This is all before the season even started.

5) Injuries during summer camp that limited players' abilities to develop: J. Mitchell, Cutrera, etc.

6) Constant in house comparisons/criticisms.

Then:

5) Lose their number 1 receiver 2 weeks into the season (did come back but still struggles with injuries)

6) Lose a key cog in their defensive line, Charles Alexander, who was really asserting himself next to Dorsey.

7) Loses their best player, Glenn Dorsey, for the back half of the season. He "played" but obviously wasn't himself?

8) Lose their starting QB for 2 full games - played with him at half health for another 2-3.

9) A litany of other injuries which hindered different players (Steltz, Taylor, C. Jackson, D. Beckwith)

10) DC embroiled in head coaching talk.

11) Head coach embroiled in head coaching talk.

12) Back-up QB gets in bar altercation.

13) Having to break in 2 converted D-lineman on the O-line, one who seemed to be an emerging star.

And still:

14) 2 losses #27 Arkansas and bowl eligible Kentucky in triple overtime

15) Beat 4 BCS Ranked opponents, 2 bowl eligible opponents, & win their conference

Has any other team undergone so many troubles/losses and came out successfully. When I see teams like OU, Oregon, West Virginia, USC etc. struggle when their starting QB goes down, yet LSU loses theirs and can win their conference championship game - I think it says a lot about how good the whole of the team actually is. And perhaps a lot about the caliber of Coach Miles is.

If anyone hasn't figured it out yet, the "L" in LSU stands for LUCKY

;D

Good response

[Matt Fly]

Has any team ever undergone so much and still come out on top?

1) Lose 4 First round draft picks - Starting QB, 2x starting WRs, Starting FS.

2) Lose OC.

3) Lose WR coach.

4) Lose a valuable defensive lineman due to academic problems.

This is all before the season even started.

5) Injuries during summer camp that limited players' abilities to develop: J. Mitchell, Cutrera, etc.

6) Constant in house comparisons/criticisms.

Then:

5) Lose their number 1 receiver 2 weeks into the season (did come back but still struggles with injuries)

6) Lose a key cog in their defensive line, Charles Alexander, who was really asserting himself next to Dorsey.

7) Loses their best player, Glenn Dorsey, for the back half of the season. He "played" but obviously wasn't himself?

8) Lose their starting QB for 2 full games - played with him at half health for another 2-3.

9) A litany of other injuries which hindered different players (Steltz, Taylor, C. Jackson, D. Beckwith)

10) DC embroiled in head coaching talk.

11) Head coach embroiled in head coaching talk.

12) Back-up QB gets in bar altercation.

13) Having to break in 2 converted D-lineman on the O-line, one who seemed to be an emerging star.

And still:

14) 2 losses #27 Arkansas and bowl eligible Kentucky in triple overtime

15) Beat 4 BCS Ranked opponents, 2 bowl eligible opponents, & win their conference

Has any other team undergone so many troubles/losses and came out successfully. When I see teams like OU, Oregon, West Virginia, USC etc. struggle when their starting QB goes down, yet LSU loses theirs and can win their conference championship game - I think it says a lot about how good the whole of the team actually is. And perhaps a lot about the caliber of Coach Miles is.

If anyone hasn't figured it out yet, the "L" in LSU stands for LUCKY

L stands for Loaded with studs.    Thats what Elite Teams can do.   Just like Florida reloaded after NC, just like OSU did after they lost 10 defensive starters, and they made the NC game.

Its called depth, and most Elite teams have achieved it through great recruiting classes every year.

Recruiting keeps programs elite!!!   Athletes and coaching wins games.

     

[Catt]

No lucky is Stanford a 42 point underdog beating the almighty USC Trojans or Pittsburg beating WVU.

#27 is ranked otherwise the list would stop at #25 & not #35 go to the BCS web site click on view complete list.

[Matt Fly]

I don't need no stinking rankings to see whos a competitive team.

Just like the fighting Illini at 9-3.    They are very competitive team.

Whether Texas is top twenty program or not this year, they are competitve team you don't take lightly.     Miss. ST. this year was not ranked team, but they brought it every Sat. and if they were out manned so be it, they still brought it.

And some weeks, they surprised some teams.    We don't always see that from the lower SEC teams, but this year, you don't need a ranking to say MSU brought it.

[Dan:]

No lucky is Stanford a 42 point underdog beating the almighty USC Trojans or Pittsburg beating WVU.

#27 is ranked otherwise the list would stop at #25 & not #35 go to the BCS web site click on view complete list.

the BCS website's polls only go to 25...where is the one you are referring to? And in college football, in games and what not, they don't say a team is ranked unless it is in the top 25, that's why they don't get numbers next to their names on the tv if they are 33rd...

[Catt]

If you do a little research you'll find they actually list all 119 BCS teams; this is how the six computers combined with the USA Today and Harris Interactive polls come up with BCS ranking.

[Matt Fly]

http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare.htm

I think these might help some Dan.

[Dan:]

obviously all teams have a rank, but in terms of college football, a "ranked" team means top 25.

[Matt Fly]

Dan,

  news papers and such don't always have the luxury and such to put a list of 119 colleges.

If you look at most polls on the bottom of the polls, they will also say, " also receiving votes was......   #29 aTm,   and Texas a&m was added cause we are from Texas, and people want to know where ther team showed up at.

I don't see all the Time that is shows me South Carolina was at #28 cause we don't care in Texas, the majority don't care were USC is ranked.   I bet a newspaper in SC does.

Matt

[Catt]

I could spend hours trying to get you to understand how the BCS supposedly works but Glenn might get upset for taking up to much space. The complexity of the BCS is why the people want a playoff; simply put your team on the field against my team and the winner takes all. The reason there isn't a playoff is there are two conferences one out west and one up north who have huge contracts with certain bowls guarantying them 10s of millions more than the other conferences. With a playoff system certain big colleges are afraid they might not be in the playoffs and other conferences would have more teams in a playoff than under the BCS.

And you thought catching bass was complicated  

[Matt Fly]

I just wished Catt, that after the two teams have been selected for the

championship, that people realize that it is up to the Bowl  selection committee

to pick who they want in a bowl, such as Kansas in the Orange Bowl.     BCS

didn put Kansas there, the Orange Bowl committee did that.    Mizzou getting left

out was not BCS fault, it was selection committees from other Bowls.

[KU_Bassmaster.]

I just wished Catt, that after the two teams have been selected for the

championship, that people realize that it is up to the Bowl selection committee

to pick who they want in a bowl, such as Kansas in the Orange Bowl. BCS

didn put Kansas there, the Orange Bowl committee did that. Mizzou getting left

out was not BCS fault, it was selection committees from other Bowls.

....... and don't hate on Kansas.  Hate the system ;D ;D

I don't have to like Mizzou, but they have a major gripe.  The only way I can see KU getting a BCS Bowl over Mizzou was if it was in the Fiesta playing OU.

I don't like the whole bowl allegiance thing either.  Would it be that hard to take the top 10 ....... 1v2 in the NC, and then for the sake of good games (in other words if a playoff is not in place) 3 vs 4, 5 vs 6, 7 vs 8, 9 vs 10.  Take the whole selection process and 2 teams per conference away.  If that process would put two teams in same conference playing one another, then tweak it.  Just take the top 10 regardless of who it is and make 5 games as competitive (by the numbers) as possible.

[Matt Fly]

No body should get mad at BCS for KU being in Orange Bowl.    Orange Bowl committe selected them, not the BCS.

[Dan:]

OK, so if we're asserting that all teams are technically given ranks, how can we say a team is bad because of their losses to "unranked" teams?...because technically there would be no such thing...

That's what I'm trying to get at. There is a point where teams are considered "ranked" and "unranked," almost every poll ends at the top 25, so that's where people generally make the cutoff.

[5bass]

No body should get mad at BCS for KU being in Orange Bowl. Orange Bowl committe selected them, not the BCS.

Nobody is mad at the BCS for KU being in the Orange Bowl. Everybody is mad because the BCS system blows.

And from the Patriots thread, PondHopper posted:

I would say LSU got lucky that 2 teams lost, one being a huge upset to get them into the National Title game...did they go out and beat those teams to get in, no the other teams missed their opportunity which opened the door for LSU.

And my reply:

Yeah, thats what I mean when I say LSU is lucky. Other teams blowing it and LSU getting moved up just because their 2 losses were in overtime. Big deal, a loss is a loss. And 2 losses is 2 losses. A championship-worthy team would have found a way to win in overtime against unranked opponents. And dont pull the "everybody is ranked" thing because the Top 25 are the only teams recognized as being ranked. Anything less than 25th puts a team in the bottom 75% in the nation and saying they are ranked would be a joke. Just look at any of the games on TV, you'll see something like

#5 LSU          0

#9 Missouri  35

I cant ever recall seeing

#37 Rutgers  28

#61 Temple  17

And before I forget.....Ohio State backed into the title game as well.

[KU_Bassmaster.]

Yes.  That is why everybody outside of Ohio and Louisiana have a bad taste in their mouth about the NC game (see the graphic on ESPN).  OSU had their chance to control their destiny earlier this season.  They blew it .... and are now getting a second chance.  LSU had two chances earlier this season and blew it.  Now getting their third chance.  Neither team is there because they took care of business.  They are there because other teams didn't

WVU .... blew it

Mizzou ... blew it

KU .... blew it

The "system" sucks.  The whole thing.

Now with this flawed "system" .... I think the right teams are there under the circumstances.  Am I excited about it ? ........ NOPE

[Matt Fly]

I don't think there is a clear cut team that deserves a shot.   I think every team thats been in the top or near the top thinks they have a shot or deserves a shot.

I would love to see Hawaii torch somebody!!!!!13-0 and AP national Champs!!!!

[Dan:]

And dont pull the "everybody is ranked" thing because the Top 25 are the only teams recognized as being ranked. Anything less than 25th puts a team in the bottom 75% in the nation and saying they are ranked would be a joke.

THANK YOU!

[Catt]

Just because a team goes undefeated does mean they are a good team example Ohio State 2006 12-0 Florida 12-1; who was clearly the best team. What y'all aint understanding is it's aint about going undefeated or who's the best team, it's about money.

The only true way to determine who the best team is would be a playoff system which is why every sport in the world has one except College football.  

[Root beer]

My turn to bash LSU. I believe les miles is a joke. Only reason why hes winning is because his team is that experience.

He made thousand of horrible calls and let some team push over his talent squad. If les knew how to coach them up in term of getting them prepare for the game they wouldn't have 2 loss nor been in overrtime giving up 50 points to arkansas.

Oh yah, I'm pulling for LSU in the title game.

[Pond Hopper]

I think that Hawaii, regardless of strength of schedule should get a shot.  No one has proven they are a better team by beating them on the field and why not let them prove themselves to a Major Conference by putting them in the title game.  I just do not understand the system or how they can claim someone to be a national champion because a computer says they should be in the game.  If Hawaii wipes the floor with Georgia, is there any chance of them sharing the title?  

If so why make one game the national title game? :