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[George Welcome]

" Re: Senkos & copies

Reply #7 - Yesterday at 6:30pm   Quote from rboat88h on Oct 6th, 2007, 6:54pm:

I was playing around with some soft stick baits and compared them side to side in a small aquarium, a pool, & on the lake. I do not have every type out there but I did have several, including GYCB Senkos, ***, Gambler Ace, Tiki stick. Strike King zero, BPS stick O, Yum Dinger. They are all similar however I did notice some differences.

GYCB seems heavier, sinks faster and has a bit more wiggle. I believe this fast fall may trigger more reaction strikes and the very soft delicate body may have the fish hold longer but tears easily.

*** & Strike King Zero seem to float or sink slower this may be better for fish near the top or reacting to the surface. They do a great jerk bait movement similar to a fluke.

The rest seem to fall in between these two extremes. Tiki and the dinger being tougher and would last much longer.

All said, Any of these will produce at most times. That is why I have them. If fishing is extremely tough I think the original Senko may produce slightly better on those days. JMHO."

"Look closer man, you have 3 worms listed with different results but only difference is the name, all 3 made in same factory, same mold,etc

These are poured in batches of 10,000.  The salt dispersion will not be exact in every bait so one bait from the same batch as another may have different fall rates .....SLIGHTLY

As for the softness, does anyone really think the bass can tell the difference between very soft and very very soft?  Remember,....these guys eat spiney bluegills and perch along with shelled creatures like crawdads.  Think about it a bit.

Also,...*** do not float

JMO

All this is covered a few times over in the SENKO FAQ's.  Please revert to that thread for further reading.  

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I am a bit confused by the "time to close the thread" policy. Is there anything that hasn't come up and won't come up in the near future again and again? If they are going to close a thread because if has been visited over and over on this forum then they you should be closing all threads as there isn't a unique one out there.

Of interest in reference to the closed post is the fact that two of the mentioned bait companies don't manufacture anything so they have 0% control over the quality of the manufacturing.

"*** & Strike King Zero seem to float or sink slower" I don't think that the word is float is quite correct, but he did qualify with "or sinks slower"

People are going to come to these pages and they are going to be new to theses pages and new to fishing.  Any questions or observations are new for them and arbitrary termination of their post seems just a bit overbearing to me.

[roadwarrior]

Well, as an overview, threads are NOT closed arbitrarily perhaps with the exception of "Senko" threads.

For a long time I think this forum could have been renamed SenkoResources.com. So, what generally happens, especially when things get a little slow, Mr. Senko or one of his look-alike competitors pops up and starts a fight. Glenn has compiled an extensive library for this site and created a special "Senko Section" which is a stickie in the top portion of the "Tackle" section.

The long and short of it is this: Nearly everything that can be said about a Senko has been written and is available at BassResource.com. The back and forth bickering that ALWAYS developes as the A verses B vs. C threads move along has become borish and a distraction to the general commaradarie among members. Therefore, all comparative and most general Senko threads are going to be locked whenever they are seen by the Moderators or Administrator.

[Raul]

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People are going to come to these pages and they are going to be new to theses pages and new to fishing. Any questions or observations are new for them and arbitrary termination of their post seems just a bit overbearing to me.

If they can take the time to post a question about senkos then can take the time to read the sticky header, it 's right there in big letters: Senko FAQ- LOOK HERE FIRST !.

But I guess it 's pretty much like all the headers, forum rules, FAQ/Guidelines, etc, etc, once there nobody cares to read them.

[George Welcome]

That's why it's called a forum and not an encyclopedia.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

This site is unique because it's actually both.  It's a Bass Resource.

[Marty]

My 2¢ is that I tend to agree with George. Some posts seem to get closed more because they strike a nerve as opposed to being detrimental to the forum.

But, that's just how it looks to me. There's been a million posts about, say, Horny Toads and Chatterbaits, but those don't seem to get closed. But ask about a Senko or NGC product and people go into "let's lock this up" mode.

[Glenn]

We have over 11,000 members now.  In EVERY situation now, no matter what we do, people complain.  There's no possible way to make everyone happy.  In fact, it's expected to get the irritable PM from somebody who disagrees with the way this site is run.  

Our only goal now is to keep the peace.  That means cutting off threads when they START to go awry, rather than attempt to clean up the mess afterwards.  If ya'll want to mix it up with somebody, then go elsewhere.

As for the Senko threads - no doubt nearly every thread eventually turns into a shouting match over which knockoff is better, and arguments ensue.  The answers to the original questions are in the Senko FAQs, so there's no reason to let a "new" thread run, only to wind up in yet another argument.

Again, wanna fight with somebody? Go to another forum.  There's plenty of bickering, insulting, whining, and ticking matches in other forums.   We try to keep that at a minimum here.  

Ironic people want to whine and argue about that as well.

[Guest muddy]

THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY

[Guest muddy]

Truthfully I like what has been going on. I have even edited myself and staying out of the crap 8-)

[Troutfisher]

Hey Muddy, wanna fight?  Bet my Marlins could knock your Mets out of the running!

I really can't find anything bad to say about the site, it's run smoothly, good administration.  A+ to Bassresource.com!

[Hookemdown.]

Glenn, I admire your commitment to this site.  What started with a handful of members has risen into  arguably the largest bass fishing site on the net.

All I would like to say is that you're doing a great job.  

[Guest avid]

I think Georges point is well taken.

I for one am bored fishing senko's and more bored talking about them,

but new bassers learn to say senko, before they learn much else.

I'll even go so far as to say if it weren't for the senko and it's close cousins the "stick" baits, that alot of these new bassers would have given up.

The only new threads are ones about current tournaments, fishing outings, or new baits. And even new baits are mostly new reditions of existing baits.

As far as keeping the peace goes, this has always been a priority for Glenn, so I see nothing new there.

I do like a little lively debate, but I agree it takes more maturity and thick skin than many people have to pull that off without become ego wounded and feeling the need to attack. (At least I never do that .............................. :-/

So, it's a tough call.

Maybe there should be a new forum called "Whining, whining/ticking and moaning/complaining and ratting.

I like it.

Who volunteers to moderate? I nominate.........................................................................................................................................

Nah, never mind.

[The Unabasser]

Our only goal now is to keep the peace. That means cutting off threads when they START to go awry, rather than attempt to clean up the mess afterwards. If ya'll want to mix it up with somebody, then go elsewhere.

I don't want to fight with anyone but I will and do go elsewhere to read more lively internet conversation besides reading "what bass resource means to me" and some of the other all bubbly feel good conflabs that go down here!...seriously some of it makes me ill...guess its just my mood...

Again, wanna fight with somebody? Go to another forum. There's plenty of bickering, insulting, whining, and ticking matches in other forums. We try to keep that at a minimum here.

Minimum....how about NONE....except It only happens when muddy starts the usual crap on here, apparently he is the only one allowed...and I think I speak for a quite a few that are too quiet...I for one am tired of listening to his rants about one thing or matter of fact everything...I quit this forum for a week and a half, You don't know me this and that and what I've been thru...oh and don't forget that what equipment you use thread...blah blah blah...nuff said...hey ya wanna see out of control go over to Bill Dance forum and see how Dodgeguy acts over there in everything else section...what a tard....ok back to lurk mode so I don't get spanked

Georges point is an excellent point....But then again if i want a healthy discussion on something I will go elsewhere...And just so you know this ain't the only place on the net as much as some of you would like to think.

[BadKarma42]

Let me look into my crystal ball....ahhh yes.  I see...I see...I see this thread closing soon......

Tonight's powerball numbers:  29, 36, 07, 42, 18, 15.  Powerball:  33.

[The Unabasser]

point well taken BK

ps...thanks for the numbers lol

[Siebert Outdoors]

I went through this very same issue on a different forum awhile back.  I have mixed feelings in the whole "search function" or "see articles or stickies."  

One side of me says people need to do research first, which I do agree with.  But the research on some topics doesnt always yield an answer.  Or the person asking may not know what to ask specifically.

But with that said. Us members that have been here awhile have seen just about everything.  Which in turn could close almost all topics.  Some real beaten horses:  Fat Ikas, jigs, swimbaits, chatterbaits, senkos.  We can not forget about the fisherman and women that are just getting into the fishing sport.  We do not want to drive them away, but we do need to help guide them.  

Its not my decision on the board policy that is up to the mods and Glenn.  All I do ask is that it is tastefully and respectfully done.

[senile1]

While Unabasser's post may have been harsh, I think it's a good idea to sift the wheat from the chaff.  George Welcome's point is legitimate.  I agree with keeping the peace, but then, looking at worse case scenarios, dictators the world over have kept the peace by permanently silencing those who "whine" or disagree.  Newbies are here looking for a forum to talk to knowledgeable anglers and learn.  It is not just possible, but very likely, that they will miss the Senko FAQ at the top of the page because they don't expect it to be there and they are looking to ask a question.  This is not an argument or a whining session.  It is logical discussion.  And as always, Glenn, you have the final say.  

It is disingenuous to accuse someone of being a whiner, a complainer, or an argumentative SOB just because they question a policy of this website.  Now and then, we all question our government, our management at work, and our leaders in any field of endeavor.  This is how improvements are discovered.  It is also how a good policy is proven.  If Glenn's policy is a good one, it will be proven by debate and usage, not by silencing those who disagree.  

[Glenn]

You guys don't understand.  The closing of Senko threads is due to EVERY ONE OF THEM turning into the SAME argument over which knockoff is better - often leading to heated words.  I don't know why that is, but it happened over and over again so many times....  It doesn't happen on chatterbait, Ikas, swimbaits, etc, which is why those haven't been closed.

In addition, pretty much every question about the Senko have been asked, and the answers have been collected in one place so that newbies can quickly get answers to their questions.  It's a service to them, and very helpful to point them to the FAQ's, rather than forcing them to wait for an answer.... which ends up in an argument anyway (not the best way to introduce them to the forums).

As for "healthy debates" on these forums - I'm all for it. However, what I won't tolerate is attacks on other members, disrespectful behavior, racist remarks, etc.  All I ask is for people to treat others with respect and speak to them as if they're in the same room with them.  If they're unable, or unwilling, to do that, there's plenty of other forums out there where they can attack and belittle people all they want.

Life is too short to waste energy on negative thinking and focusing on our differences.  Concentrate on the positive things in life instead.  That's what I try to promote here.  

Having one Senko thread after another turn into a needless argument every time goes against that policy.  I know you guys don't see it that way.  That's because we don't let it get that far anymore.  It hasn't happened in a long time, and that's because we stay on top of it.  So YOU don't see a problem, only the actions we take to prevent it. So it seems unwarranted in your eyes.

Oddly enough, when we DO let a thread run that far, and a huge argument ensues with a lot of people getting attacked, angry, and hurt, then we're critized for not stopping it sooner.  We're questioned why we don't police the forums better, why we didn't ban so-and-so, or why we allowed it happen.  So we clamp down, and then we're accused of being a dictatorship, censorship, "silencing people who disagree", etc.  

Can't win either way.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Can't win either way.

I disagree.  What we have been left with because of these rules and regulations is a board with more "active" members than any other out there.

That's a win to me.

[SPEEDBEAD.]

Ok, first time deleted this by accident. I cant control my "mouse finger" :

It has been a while since I joined, so I am unfamiliar with the initial confirmation email / PM.

Is there some type of message you could send to new members in that initial contact outlining the way you would like people to act with regards to asking questions, posting info, etc? This email could say something to the effect of "Be sure to read the FAQ and other important topics at the top of each forum."

This will possibly assuage the inevitable responses of "Read the FAQ, Do a Search, etc." that typically make new members feel unwelcome and ostracized from the get-go.

You will also know that each and every person has been explicitly told to read the rules.

Just some thoughts....

Wayne

[senile1]

Glenn, your point is well-taken.  You and the moderators see every thread that hits the boards so you would know better than any of us.  I get really busy at times so I don't see all of these threads that evolve into arguments.  It is unfortunate that some of us can't disagree respectfully.  Then rules such as these would not be needed.  

[Siebert Outdoors]

Glenn,  I understand your second post alot better.  You are in a tough spot, I'm a mod on a couple other forums and I do agree its a lose/lose situation.  Out of the beaten topics the senko does cause the most chaos.  Loomis/kistler debats are bad or use to be,  the best rod/tackle debates are another one. When to pull the trigger is a very difficult decision. Since I know most of the board is following this topic I will bring this out.

Personally, I wouldnt mind if the senko topics stayed. With that said I dont understand why some take such offense when someone recommends some other substitute.  This whole industry is based on confidence and personal favorites, especially lures.  if one works better then that is good for the fisherman.  No reason to get your panties in a bundle if someone else doesnt agree with the favored lure.  Its fishing for God's sake. Not like your kid is in pain, or you just cut your finger off.  

I've learned alot about plastics since I started pouring my own.  Densities and flexibility can obviously change the way a bait works.  They all have good and bads about them.  Thats why there are 1k different types of plastics.   its all about learning how to put the pro's of a bait to work for you.   Some baits dont work for everyone or every situation.  Once this is realised by the fisherman, them more sucess he or she will have.

Ok done soap boxing now

[nboucher]

Like many, I've been following this thread with interest. As a matter of principle, I'm all for unrestricted discussion about everything, especially on the web.

But as a practical matter, that's unrealistic. I think GMAN hit it best: it's fishing, people. For most of us, it's recreation, and that's supposed to be fun. I imagine that Glenn's just trying to keep it that way.

By contrast, I'm also a regular at a woodworking forum where certain subjects can predictably lead to literally 100 or more posts, many of which consist of pretty vicious personal attacks. I read some of these, hoping to learn something, and sometimes I do, but never from the personal-attack posts. The difference, though, is that a lot, if not most, of the people on that forum are professional woodworkers. They are trying to make a living at it, and so they have a lot of their personal egos invested in what is often a marginal living.

That seems to me on a whole different plane from a bunch of men (mostly) getting all lathered about a the superiority of a particular kind of plastic worm. If it means that much, it's time to get a life, man.

[The Unabasser]

Unabasser - you're welcome to go elsewhere. You know where the door is.

Yes Glenn I do know where the door is! I use it all the time! I do not live and die by BR sorry. I think the comradrie (sp) here is exceptional. I just don't get the feel good bubbly BR all the time.

I appreciate what you are trying to do here, I really do. This is an excellent website, I tell everyone about it. However I was making a point, my point and maybe my point only but I do believe that there are many who are silent or have been put off by the very things George mentioned.

The point I was trying to make....hence my reference to the BD forum "everything else" which is totally out of control, but yet this forum is in too much control IMHO.

I just wish WE had a lil bit more freedom is all without being shushed (is that a word, lol)

I don't have 5000 posts and don't post much...mainly for the fact that I don't have ALOT to add to the conversation as there are more than enuff that will add to it already...I don't chime in on every new persons thread just to say hi and welcome or I would have 5000 posts in just over a year and a half here... I have overlooked ALOT, and I say ALOT of posts where I should have said something but it would have came out like my earlier post so I skipped it and bit my tongue....(particularly the threads bashing pontoon boats, float tubes and one certain persons ideals etc.)

Funny how I spoke my mind finally and got spanked for it...guess I should have known better. Its apparently only allowed for a certain few, and they know who they are as well as the mods.

Thats the last I have to say about any of this but at least I spoke my mind which I have been wanting to do for a LONG time.

If you feel this thread warrants me being banned then so be it. Thanks for listening.

[Clayton]

I think the idea of BR is to stay neutral.  Glenn said it right when he said that you cant keep everyone happy when you got 11000 members.  I dont think you could do it with 100!  But for more of the "Bubbly" stuff, I love BR and am glad to be apart of it.