Vick to plead guilty...

[BadKarma42]

THIS JUST IN:

Vick is to plead guilty to charges.  This comes from two sources:  Sirius Radio NFL channel and Fox News.com.

Sounds like he will enter the plea on Monday.  

Early speculation is that he is looking at 18-36 months.

[Troutfisher]

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.  

[BadKarma42]

From what I can figure, he entered the plea today while a new grand jury was deliberating on whether or not to indict him on state level charges for the same thing.  

Its believed that by pleading guilty he will avoid the new set of charges.

Something will happen in court ont he 27th, but I don't recall if it is the formal plea or to schedule sentencing.

[BadKarma42]

I just double checked Fox News.com, he will enter the formal plea on the 27th.

I guess the question now is how long until the Raiders can sign him...

[Troutfisher]

That's hilarious Badkarma  ;D

Perhaps they could round up Terrell Owens, Randy Moss and Pac Man Jones, and then send Michael Vick out there, and during a game, the police could bust in and arrest the whole team.

[BadKarma42]

Don't forget about Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis.  If Rae Caruth can petition for an early parole, I bet Al Davis can get a great deal on House Arrest Bracelets!

Although for Vick, I would suggest implanting a chip to keep tabs on him...you know like the ones you can get for your pets!

[bassnleo]

The prosecutors are squeezing Vick's toes.........

If he pleads guilty BEFORE the Grand Jury reaches a decision to indict on additional charges, no additional charges can or will be added, it would make it double jeporady.

Vicks attorneys know this and are urging him to plead now so he is not facing additional charges.

I will be anxious to see what type of sentence he recives and the reaction from the NFL.

[BoroBass]

Maybe my mind is just warped, but I have a hard time seeing a difference (in principle) between holding a dog's head under water and pulling a fish out of water. I know the intent in Vick's (or one of his friends') case was to kill the dog, but plenty of people take the fish home and let them die in a cooler or on a stringer. Does that mean it'd have been okay if Vick ate the dogs?  :-?

[PaparockArk]

Maybe my mind is just warped, but I have a hard time seeing a difference (in principle) between holding a dog's head under water and pulling a fish out of water. I know the intent in Vick's (or one of his friends') case was to kill the dog, but plenty of people take the fish home and let them die in a cooler or on a stringer. Does that mean it'd have been okay if Vick ate the dogs? :-?

What VICK DID IS ILLEGAL, fishing is not; do you undertand the difference?

[BoroBass]

Yes, I said I dont see the difference in principle. I know what he did is illegal and he should go to jail because he knew it was illegal and did it anyway. What I don't understand is why he's going to be a convicted felon when things just as bad happen to animals every day. Hell, up until a month or so ago, cockfighting was legal in parts of America.

[PaparockArk]

Yes, I said I dont see the difference in principle. I know what he did is illegal and he should go to jail because he knew it was illegal and did it anyway. What I don't understand is why he's going to be a convicted felon when things just as bad happen to animals every day. Hell, up until a month or so ago, cockfighting was legal in parts of America.

The basis of why society makes things legal and illegal is because the majority have decided that some acts are bad for the people in a  to be allowed to do and therefore punishment id mandated if an individual in the society knowing it is illegal violates the rules of the society. It is the principal of in order to have order there have to be rules and the rules have to be enforced otherwise anarchy rules as anyone can do whatever they want.  You say bad things happen to animals every day; well bad things happen to people everyday also so does that mean no one should have a felony conviction for doing things to others, of course not. The simple principle is you choose to break the law, you choose to receive the felony convection if you do a felony crime. You break the law, you are to blame not the law, not society, not mommy, not daddy, and you are the one that a decision in your own mind of your own free will to go against societies laws. Like in Vicks case he was not even man enough to own up to his own actions but chose of his own free will to lie to try to get out of taking ownership of his own actions. Now that he was facing the possibility of facing even more time in prison and the loss of even more money he has decided to tell the truth and face up to his crimes which he could have avoided altogether by deciding killing dogs and fighting them to the death is not something he did not want to be associated with.  Vick thought his money, celebrity, and connections placed him above the law and now he has found out they do not. The criminal persecution and its outcome will be costly lesson but only Vick is to blame because he financed the operation as he will plead this Monday. His life and reputation were all in his own hands and the results of this are his responsibility and his alone because he could have simply said NO.

[5bass]

[BoroBass]

Yes, I said I dont see the difference in principle. I know what he did is illegal and he should go to jail because he knew it was illegal and did it anyway. What I don't understand is why he's going to be a convicted felon when things just as bad happen to animals every day. Hell, up until a month or so ago, cockfighting was legal in parts of America.

The basis of why society makes things legal and illegal is because the majority have decided that some acts are bad for the people in a  to be allowed to do and therefore punishment id mandated if an individual in the society knowing it is illegal violates the rules of the society. It is the principal of in order to have order there have to be rules and the rules have to be enforced otherwise anarchy rules as anyone can do whatever they want.  You say bad things happen to animals every day; well bad things happen to people everyday also so does that mean no one should have a felony conviction for doing things to others, of course not. The simple principle is you choose to break the law, you choose to receive the felony convection if you do a felony crime. You break the law, you are to blame not the law, not society, not mommy, not daddy, and you are the one that a decision in your own mind of your own free will to go against societies laws. Like in Vicks case he was not even man enough to own up to his own actions but chose of his own free will to lie to try to get out of taking ownership of his own actions. Now that he was facing the possibility of facing even more time in prison and the loss of even more money he has decided to tell the truth and face up to his crimes which he could have avoided altogether by deciding killing dogs and fighting them to the death is not something he did not want to be associated with.  Vick thought his money, celebrity, and connections placed him above the law and now he has found out they do not. The criminal persecution and its outcome will be costly lesson but only Vick is to blame because he financed the operation as he will plead this Monday. His life and reputation were all in his own hands and the results of this are his responsibility and his alone because he could have simply said NO.

Yes I realize all of that and thought I made it clear. My problem is with the double standards on animal cruelty in America, not with the legal system. Hell, everyone on this site is cruel to an animal every time we catch a fish, but no one is saying we're the scum of the earth and deserve to be in jail.

[BadKarma42]

For what it's worth (possibly nothing) I don't take offense to the posts.  Sounds like the coin is being turned over.

I appreciate that he acknoledged that although he thinks it may be cruel, he still does it...

[drakedeming]

yes fishing is a little cruel in a way, but aside from hooking the fish which for bass because of the way thier jaw is composed i do not think it is equal to hooking a person/mamal. The main difference is Vick intentionally brought pain to this animal in a inhumane way. If he did not want the dog he could have had it put to sleep. As far as the dogfighting goes that is wrong to me and should be to most people I would think. Catch and release fishing is different, YES we hook the fish but as soon as you land it you should take the best care possible handeling the fish to ensure it's safe return to the water so that it can live and be caught again. Fishing for food is natural and I am pretty sure that no one tortures thier fish before they kill them, dog fighting involves torture of the dogs to train them. yes I AM A VEGETARIAN(sort of) but i fish and I will only eat things I kill myself. AND YES I HATE PETA i think they are all morons.