ethical killing?? (your thoughts)

[Fish Man]

ok the turtle thread got me thinkin about what me an my bro do every once in a while,,first off this is perfectly legal and is encouraged by the state,in the fields behind our hous e we occasionally go out and shoot black birds and we see it as ok to do. the reasons ive been told this is encouraged and why i do it are

(1)blackbirds are key in spreeding many harmful viruses throughout the area

(2)they are very overpopulated

(3)ive been toldt hey are non native and considered a nuisence

(4)i figure that if the state allows it regardless of time of year etc there must be good reason for it if it isnt listed above

id like to hear what yall think about this

redneckriot27

[KU_Bassmaster.]

My personal feelings ......\

You kill it ... you eat it. Unless it is directly putting you or anyone else (including your pets) in danger of being killed or seriously injured.

[Fish Man]

My personal feelings ......\

You kill it ... you eat it. Unless it is directly putting you or anyone else (including your pets) in danger of being killed or seriously injured.

i usually have the same point of veiw but in my opinion this kinda goes along with the whole kill a bass to help the rest of the population...by killing a veiw blackbirds you help the other species form getting the diseases

[Fish Man]

one more thnig i guess i should add is that what i consider to be a blackbird is what is legal to kill, a starling, the are black-ish in coloring have black feet and a black beak unlike an actual blackbird that has an orange - yellow beak and for anyone that wishes to see it here ia quote form the dnr website in the section on "it is unlawful to: quote "shoot hawks, owls, or other wild birds, ecxept lawfully hunted game birds, house sparrows and starlings

[Guest avid]

There are nuiscance native and non native species of all kinds of flora and fauna that need to be controlled in order to protect the ecosystem.  Kudzu was taking over the South remember?  Selective harvesting and predator eradication, and release of non native species  have threatened entire industires.  the Great Lakes Lamprey comes to mind.

blackbirds can decimate a crop that a family depends on for their existance.

There are countless other examples where a state DNR has unlimited harvesting and no closed season on certain species because they are rampant and destructive.

I'm not suggesting that the people who hunt them are doing so because they are noble conservationists, no they are probably doing it because they have fun shooting things.

But why they do it is less important than the fact that a destructive creature is being controlled.

Not only is there nothing wrong with it.

It is essential to a healthy balance of nature.

[Catt]

Black Bird Jambalaya  

From Baton Rouge, Louisiana over to well past Winnie, Texas is the rice capital of America and I've live there my entire life. Unless you've lived in farm country you have no idea what flocks of Black (rice) Birds can do to a field of rice in 24 hours.

[Fish Man]

catt. you could probobly conider were i live to be farm country because of the large amounts a soy beans wheat and corn farmed in my area,,but that is probobly a large factor in it being legal

[John J.]

Hmm...I didn't know the thread I started would start other things...

Anyway, I do agree with what has been said about kill to reduce disease, etc. With black birds I am not 100% sure though. I guess same principle goes along with crows, shoot to eat!  8-)

[rdneckhntr]

I eat almost everything i shoot...except varmits and black birds...i kill them to keep em off of my great grandma's bird feeder so they dont scare the other birds away...

[Valascus]

If the blackbirds are causing an unbalance in the ecosystem, and the Department of Natural resources is saying it is necessary to begin thinning the population a bit, then you are helping do the ecosystem a service.

[PaparockArk]

ethicaladjective  - Being in accordance with the accepted principles of right and wrong that govern the conduct of a profession.

The problem is what qualifies as ethical in one social group may be totally unacceptable in another. That is where laws come in so that while different social groups may disagree the law legally trumps social convention. Even in the law, due to vague language there is often leeway for wide latitude of interpretation. Just as in the often heated debate over catch and release things are not always as black and white as they may first appear. Sometimes people do harm though they may have the best of intentions but confrontation is rarely rewarded with a warm reception yet a friend sharing their honest feelings is rarely shunned.

[burleytog]

ok the turtle thread got me thinkin about what me an my bro do every once in a while,,first off this is perfectly legal and is encouraged by the state,in the fields behind our hous e we occasionally go out and shoot black birds and we see it as ok to do. the reasons ive been told this is encouraged and why i do it are

(1)blackbirds are key in spreeding many harmful viruses throughout the area

(2)they are very overpopulated

(3)ive been toldt hey are non native and considered a nuisence

(4)i figure that if the state allows it regardless of time of year etc there must be good reason for it if it isnt listed above

id like to hear what yall think about this

redneckriot27

The state should provide the ammo.  

[flyphisher #]

Someone on here jumped on my case for shooting crows last year. :

In Ga, their is actually a season on crows and black birds,ringneck doves, pigeons. Seeing how we have  exposed livestock feed for them to get into, crap in it, roll around in it and this will make the cows sick. So I have kille lots of them over the years. The Crows/pigeons will hang around for months after they find a food source, getting smarter each day. So you have to hide and use a call to get shots at them. Good practice before duck season starts. I wont eat them, but there is a crow expert online that guides hunts for them and sells cook books.

[Bassassasin12]

why is it fun to kill living things? I just dont get it. Sure its fun to eat :-? but your not going to be eating these. My uncle just stops fishing if he gut hooks a bass and he gets all ticked. The idea of killing something that was living just doesnt sit well with me.

[Gatorbassman]

It is no secret that I love to hunt. I have taken well over 100 deer in my lifetime. Every bit of the meat from that deer went into someones freezer if not my own.

When I was about 8 years old my mom saw me shoot a little bird with my BB Gun. She taught me a lesson that has stayed with me my whole life....... and that was the worst tasting bird I have ever eaten.

If you aren't going to consume it, why kill it. Respect what is here for us to enjoy.

[Fish Man]

but eating them is not an option because one of the mian resons for killing them is because they are known to spread many diseases ad wouldnt be safe to eat,,,,plus i hate to say it but if i dont eat it at least its a free meal for the foxes or vultures

[Catt]

Eating black birds is not different than eating doves or quail; as for them carrying diseases, it is not in their meat it's in their feathers other wise how could it spread.

Now about killing a living thing, do you eat pork, beef, or chicken? Well someone had to kill it  

[gopherbass]

Everything dies.

[PaparockArk]

why is it fun to kill living things? I just dont get it. Sure its fun to eat :-? but your not going to be eating these. My uncle just stops fishing if he gut hooks a bass and he gets all ticked. The idea of killing something that was living just doesnt sit well with me.

You do realize that everything you eat at one point was a living thing be it plant or animal and there are those that advocate that plants are sentient beings also, so that would pretty much render the total food chain off limits if you take your statements to their logical conclusions. The world is not perfect and whether you realize it or not we all kill living thing each and every day of our existence upon this planet. We can individually choose to try and limit our impact but no one can be perfect. The idea of killing something that was living may not sit well with you however as you survive and grow older and wiser with age you will find that the alternative also has very little appeal (starvation). I do not kill for enjoyment, fun, or even sport but there are times and necessities beyond food that have to be weighed in their totality with all facts considered, a judgment made, and as a result sometimes misjudgments will result. The point is to learn from one's mistakes and to do better as life is about trying to be the best person you can be but no one is perfect and we are all at different levels of understanding. But never lose that feeling of loss when you see a fellow creature die as it will keep your heart tender and connected to all creation as we all should feel loss even when we must kill.

[Bassassasin12]

ehh probably shoudlnt have even made the statement... but what i was trying to say is that if I kill something, I would feel pretty terrible. Although I do eat meats so I guess the things I do eat had to be killed, so it is kind of mixed emotions. I just couldnt stand being a vegetarian  :-[. but defentily if something is going to be killed... it should be eaten.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

Eating black birds is not different than eating doves or quail;)

What about the soul???? Haven't you seen the movie??  (a blackbird is a crow, right?)

[Guest avid]

Eating black birds is not different than eating doves or quail

I prefer chicken  

[Catt]

Black birds (rice birds) make an excellent jambalaya; I use just the breast meat not the soul

I leave that part to Marie Labou  :

[Captain Underpants]

Uh, look, I have an opinion on this pretty similar to Catt's,

but those of you who read the turtles thread will know why I've decided not to comment.  

[SPEEDBEAD.]

Uh, look, I have an opinion on this pretty similar to Catt's,

but those of you who read the turtles thread will know why I've decided not to comment.

You know it!!!! LOL

I wouldnt touch these arguments w/ a 10 foot pole.....

I am trying to be good, so everyone fight nicely