Hang on to Your Guns!

[squid]

It is a very tradgic thing that happened, but I don't feel that things would have been different if someone else had a gun with them.  They could just as easily shot an innocent while trying to hit Hui.  Then Hui would get a chance to shoot him.

I am for the 2nd amendment, but that only says we have the right to bear arms...not use them...so we do need some kind of gun control, but what kind and how do you enforce it?  I sure don't think we all need a CW permit.

In the military and police they are taught to shoot in defense or when shot at.

In the old days...when hunting...shoot once and accuratly for the enemy might be close by...don't give away position.

In gangs....if ya pull a weapon you better know how to use it, cause you might have to.

I don't know...mixed feelings on this.

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Im 100% for CW permits its a fact states with less laws about guns have less crime.Maybe this guy was muslim  and worked for osama it is said they have lonewolfs all in this country >they need to tighten the laws down not make more my buddy owns his own business took him 90 days to get a CW permit  he was almost robbed if not for pulling his gun out on the robber ,this robber was CAUGHT with a illegal handgun ,long story short this went to court the robber's sentence at first was goin to be 5 yrs well they pleaded and dealed in court got him 45 days in jail I don't understand .Fact is we live in a country with so many loopholes to get around what has been done wrong we miss the whole point.they need to stop getting all personal and get to the point  if u kill some one and your found guilty YOUR guilty none of this they were going through mental probs and such HEY WAKE up AMERICA everyone is jumping on this bandwagon.Its a sad day when if your caught shoplifting cause your hungry  you get 10 yrs  BUT if you had a bad day at work or your wife left ya you decide to kill 4  ppl and get sympathy and probation  

[drakedeming]

In my opinion - Our country needs stricter gun control

you can purchase a rifle if

You have a hunting license

You have taken training on how to use rifle and safety issues with said rifle

your home should be inspected to make sure that there is a secure and locked location for your rifle

if you have kids your home should be inspected regularly(6 months maybe) to make sure there still is a secure location

If you have commited a felony or misdemeanor you should not be allowed purchase

you should pass a psychiatric(spelling?) evaluation before recieving your rifle

If you are not a U.S. citizen you should not be allowed to posses a firearm

Possibly you should have to own your own home/condo etc.....still thinking about this one

handgun

not to sure how i feel about this

same rules apply but if you have children then wnership is not allowed

I DO NOT THINK BANNING GUNS IS A SOLUTION

also extremely strict penalties for possesing illegal guns etc for crimes LIFE IN JAIL

[Maxximus Redneckus]

In my opinion - Our country needs stricter gun control

you can purchase a rifle if

You have a hunting license

You have taken training on how to use rifle and safety issues with said rifle

your home should be inspected to make sure that there is a secure and locked location for your rifle

if you have kids your home should be inspected regularly(6 months maybe) to make sure there still is a secure location

If you have commited a felony or misdemeanor you should not be allowed purchase

you should pass a psychiatric(spelling?) evaluation before recieving your rifle

If you are not a U.S. citizen you should not be allowed to posses a firearm

Possibly you should have to own your own home/condo etc.....still thinking about this one

handgun

not to sure how i feel about this

same rules apply but if you have children then wnership is not allowed

I DO NOT THINK BANNING GUNS IS A SOLUTION

also extremely strict penalties for possesing illegal guns etc for crimes LIFE IN JAIL

This would undermine the 2nd amendment. I have a better idea lets get rid of all of our rights as Americans and see how long this country last,this will also mean your guilty until proven innocent >i mean if we are goin to do away with one thing that dont suit OTHERS opinion might as well go all the way ...Im just razzing ya man no offense

[drakedeming]

the second amendment doesnt really apply to todays society, it was meant that citizens can have arms to defend themselves, and also back in the days of when arms meant muskets not semi automatic handguns used to kill people who are innocent

also the original constitution did not give women the right to vote....it was amended

what i said allows a law abiding citizen to posses a rifle for hunting or defense, what is wrong with that

[Maxximus Redneckus]

the second amendment doesnt really apply to todays society, it was meant that citizens can have arms to defend themselves, and also back in the days of when arms meant muskets not semi automatic handguns used to kill people who are innocent

also the original constitution did not give women the right to vote....it was amended

what i said allows a law abiding citizen to posses a rifle for hunting or defense, what is wrong with that

 Todays society is based on the past<We can go deeper and say that todays society wich is not WHOLEY made up of bloodline ancesters has no rights then ,,,,Meaning anyone new in this country shall not posses the original rights of our founding fathers  that  would stop a lot of stuff from happeneing it boils down to familey values and morals lets divide the country those who oppose the constitution move out or live with it we are here for one reason only because our FOUNDING FATHERS wanted to get away from corrupt GOVERMENTS  england and australia are laughing at the Va Tech terrorist act which happened i suppose there BUS bombings are funny also ALL in ALL people come to our country for freedom..and because they know certian pppl bend over backwards to make them feel like they fit in as a historical americans >>>

[roadwarrior]

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[moby bass]

Sorry to disagree.  More gun laws or outright banning is NOT the solution.  Chained doors, a can of gasoline and a match would have done just as much, if not more, damage. The gun was merely the tool with which to commit the crime. There were many others tools he could have chosen.  The problem was the criminal intent.

[Dan:]

In my opinion - Our country needs stricter gun control

you can purchase a rifle if

You have a hunting license

You have taken training on how to use rifle and safety issues with said rifle

your home should be inspected to make sure that there is a secure and locked location for your rifle

if you have kids your home should be inspected regularly(6 months maybe) to make sure there still is a secure location

If you have commited a felony or misdemeanor you should not be allowed purchase

you should pass a psychiatric(spelling?) evaluation before recieving your rifle

If you are not a U.S. citizen you should not be allowed to posses a firearm

Possibly you should have to own your own home/condo etc.....still thinking about this one

handgun

not to sure how i feel about this

same rules apply but if you have children then wnership is not allowed

I DO NOT THINK BANNING GUNS IS A SOLUTION

also extremely strict penalties for possesing illegal guns etc for crimes LIFE IN JAIL

Some of those sound like reasonably ideas, but others go too far. For instance, do you know how easy it is to get a misdemeanor? I'll bet there are lots of people on this forum that have one. They are not as difficult to get or as heinous as most people think.

Do you think a grown adult shouldn't be allowed to get a gun because he drank a beer when he was 17 and got caught? Because under your suggestions, he wouldn't be able to.

Also, if you think you're assessment of the purposes and intent of the Constitution is the only one, guess again. There are numerous debates about various issues about how we should interpret the Constitution, neither side has any logical superiority to the other, both have valid points (hence the controversy). So you saying what the intent of the writers were doesn't really prove a point.

[Fisher of Men]

As a hunter education instructor, I have to agree 100% with RW. We have to be mindful and respectful of the "non-hunter/shooter". I always illustrate this as a balance with these people in the middle. We don't want to do anything to sway these people to the other side.

When Cain killed Able he did not have a gun

Amen. No amount of gun laws will ever get rid of the violent nature of the human race.

I, too, am very sympathetic to the families of those lost at VT. I'm afraid that until some effort is made to combat the violent nature of our citizens, this won't be the last mass shooting. I'm not talking about banning video games,movies, etc. Perhaps we should try a more aggressive approach at monitoring psychological development in public schools and trying to treat these individuals before they have a chance to act violently. As a public educator, I have to admit that our school counselors are a joke. Beyond scheduling and testing, they really are NOT qualified to deal with emotionally disturbed (ED) children. Even school psychologists are underqualified. Perhaps by providing fully qualified psychologists in our schools we might be able to tap into the minds of ED kids at an earlier age and prevent such violent acts. I also think parents have a BIG role to play in this as well. I just thought I'd throw in some input from another angle.

Respectfully,

Fisher

[skillet]

 If Muddy hadn't posted what he did, I probably would have kept quiet on this. This is as much for you as anything. Growing up in the South and living out on the back side of nowhere, I am always in the small minority with this subject.

 My Daddy didn't hunt or ever own a gun as far as I know, so I didn't grow up with a taste for it. I finally went hunting twice when I was around 17 (first and last time), not a real great experience. I never picked up a gun again until basic training and then Viet Nam. Got to know an M60 way too well. 'Nuff said on that.

 I really do know that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Human nature being what it is (the best and the worst on this planet), we can always find a way to do harm to each other.

 I am not for stricter gun control nor am I for the idea you can own Claymore Mines for rabbit hunting.

 I really wish that those folks that are so much more intelligent than me would come up with a solution sooner than later (there was no sarcasm in this last sentence)...

                                                         As Ever,

                                                          Skillet

 

[Catt]

This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! -Adolph Hitler, 1935

[moby bass]

Amen, Catt.

[Water Dog]

Fisher,

The authorities knew that this guy was a nut case and PC kept them from dealing effectively.

FROM: <  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting>

"On Dec. 13, 2005, a magistrate ordered Cho to undergo an evaluation at Carilion St. Albans, a private psychiatric hospital. The magistrate signed the order after an initial evaluation found probable cause that Cho was a danger to himself or others as a result of mental illness.

The next day, according to court records, doctors at Carilion conducted further examination and a special justice, Paul M. Barnett, approved outpatient treatment.

It is unclear how long Cho stayed at Carilion, though court papers indicate he was free to leave as of Dec. 14. Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said Cho had been continually enrolled at Tech and never took a leave of absence.

A spokesman for Carilion St. Albans would not comment.

Though the stalking incidents did not result in criminal charges, police referred Cho to the university's disciplinary system, Flinchum said. But Ed Spencer, assistant vice president of student affairs, would not comment on any disciplinary proceedings, saying federal law protects students' medical privacy even after death."

These Professionals may have been in a position to have prevented this atrocity.  PC may have prevented them from committing this guy.  The signs were there.

Fisher, I know that anyone in today's public school system has a tough time dealing with all the PC gobbly **** that has come down the pike in the last 30 years.  'ED' kids got their rear ends busted at school and twice as hard when they got home once upon a time in America.  The threat and parental support was real enough that I can remember the public use of the "board of education" only a few times on young ruffians when I went through the system.  To replace this cruelty the psychiatrists and drug companies have given us Ritalin, Prozac, Luvox and other chemicals to dumb down bored over active kids and troublemakers.  

An attempt was made in my county to allow the school nurses to administer these drugs without the parents consent.  The citizens spoke out and the drug effort was defeated this time around, thank GOD.  Ritalin use forever limits what a youngster can grow up to be and that is a shame.

Eric Harris made great progress on Luvox if you follow his history and reports of his handlers.  He was a psychopath and neither the "board" would have, nor drugs could straighten him out.  He was a natural born killer.  These people have to be locked up forever or eliminated in one of their acts of violence.

We need to quit drugging our kids.  Let's try parenting and the school working with parents.

Cho Seung-Hui was going to kill, he had tried fire already.  Did drugs contribute, we will likely never know.  He may have been a natural psychopath.

We have stringent gun laws; Cho got around them, more gun laws would not have kept him from pouring gas in the halls, rigging propane bottles, and locking the doors on the students.  Cho could have poisoned their food, derailed a train, or anything else a diabolical mind can come up with.  

If I encounter one I want to have the means to protect my family.  Please do not limit me.  This is not to say that every student at any university should be armed.  Everyone should be prepared to protect themselves and others in some manner, run, sound the alarm, barricade the door, as a last resort use make shift weapons and stand and fight.  Being armed is an awesome responsibility; today's students by and large are not mature enough to be trusted with a firearm in a campus setting.  One has to be very careful with a newbie on the range.  An armed student would stand a good chance of being shot by the cops or charged themselves.  Even a seasoned professional has adrenalin problems in a shoot out, but the "training" will hopefully take over and he will do the right thing.

The student body needs and has a right to be involved in its own protection.

Organizing 'Crime Stoppers' on a campus has proven to be an effective method of increasing the eyes and ears of a police force and a way to keep them in touch with the student body.  Intercoms and loud speakers would seem to me to be useful to advise students of potential problems.  This is old technology but I believe that it would work.

[justfishin]

This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! -Adolph Hitler, 1935

Good point Catt.

your home should be inspected to make sure that there is a secure and locked location for your rifle

if you have kids your home should be inspected regularly(6 months maybe) to make sure there still is a secure location

-------This government inspection will not take place in my house, I can assure you. Also, let me reiterate a statement I made earlier, a gun never killed anyone.

[Maxximus Redneckus]

This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future! -Adolph Hitler, 1935

Good point Catt.

your home should be inspected to make sure that there is a secure and locked location for your rifle

if you have kids your home should be inspected regularly(6 months maybe) to make sure there still is a secure location

-------This government inspection will not take place in my house, I can assure you. Also, let me reiterate a statement I made earlier, a gun never killed anyone.

Same here and even if it did happen How many contractors gobbling up OUR tax money will benefit from this i can see it now "we need  600 billlion to start our HOMELAND SECURITY in our HOMES" what a joke and at our exspense .Hey but it will provide MARXIST jobs for ppl.Our GOV as it is now is checking OUR grannies worn out panties as our border is wide open for any 3 world threat that will get unchecked and not have to pay taxes and use our healthsystem  FOR FREE >America needs to wake up and stop looking for excuses  and GIVING smacks on the wrist and actually go for the throat !!!

[Glenn]

Ok guys - enough!  This has gone over the edge regarding political topics.