MONEY FOR THOUGTH

[squid]

THIS MAKES YA THINK FOR A MINUTE... :-? :-?

"Like a lot of folks in this state I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them??

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sitting on their arss. Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?????

Something has to change in this country and soon!!!!! "

[Dan:]

It's a good point, but logistically it doesn't make sense. You'd have to buy and monitor a urine test for each person on welfare? So you'd have to put up the money for the actual testing kit, send an employee to monitor the welfare recipient taking the test and then analyze each test...In the end, I don't think it would end up saving any money.

PS, I think this idea was suggested by David Duke in the past  :-/

[Siebert Outdoors]

Makes sense to me.  I guess we have the same veiw point on this.  I also think they should work for the state.  IE, pick up trash or something.   The system is to easy to loaf through.

[squid]

Makes sense to me. I guess we have the same veiw point on this. I also think they should work for the state. IE, pick up trash or something. The system is to easy to loaf through.

I AGREE, I TOO FEEL THEY SHOULD WORK FOR THE MONEY THEY GET..THEN C312, YOU WOULD SEE PEOPLE GETTING PAID TO MAKE SURE THAT GETS DONE.

[Ghost Rider]

why stop there.... our border is wide open and we are getting ready to make how many aliens legal ..... lets not for get they will bring there families over as well.... so do the math amd remember these same people who are poor show up at your state or federal park and trash it like it was a 3rd world country...

I agree make them take a drug test for my tax dollar even if i have to spend a dollar to make it happen.... but if they fail no money for 4 years thats when you will be tested again.

rape, murder, theft.... well no life ....just hang the SOBs

my Opinion and ideas are not all shared by all this forum nor is supported ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Ghost Rider]

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[RecMar8541]

Heres a thought.

Make the welfare recipient pay for the drug testing.  Hell its free money to them anyhow.

Make it a condition that all who apply would be screened, and hell that would stop many from just applying, and those who really NEED the money wouldnt be doing the drugs anyhow because they couldnt afford them.  

Im all for helping someone get up on their feet, but if they have money for drugs they dont NEED my tax dollars.

GR I agree with you 100%, and you can use the rope over and over!!

[Hookemdown.]

Good point RecMar.

Around here, I'd bet that that half of them would fail the test.

[bassnleo]

This is kind of a sore subject for me...

I regularly deal with people on welfare. Some of these people truly need it and use it as it is intended. Alot plainly abuse it.

It sickens me when I walk into a reciepients house or apartment (knowing that too is being funded) and see big screen TV's, large stereo systems, numerous game systems, cabinets chocked full of food, more than most of us working stiffs have.

No B.S., my wife and I are both professionally employed and don't have near the crap that these people do who sit around all day on their behinds and DO NOTHING.

Just recently I was in a grocery store and watched a man, woman, and their child ring up a grocery bill of over $200 then hand the cashier thier access card. You got it, I just paid for their groceries. That in itself wouldn't bother me but I knew this couple, the guy makes and sells meth, she does nothing, the kid is exposed to it daily. Not 1 month later me were knocking down their door executing a search warrant. The amount of stuff this place had was just plain stupid. Nice furniture, appliances, tons of food, etc...all funded by us.

That's my issue with it. As for someone saying that most of the welfare recipients are using drugs, in this area that's probably a fairly accurate statement.

I like the drug test idea. Something needs tightened up...

[Bass Smacker]

  I beleve that it would cost in the short run. But if you made it manatory and used the welfar to work

program to train some of the resipents to be certified nurses and requierd them to work one year as a tester for the incoming applicants you would kill two birds with one stone. You would have a trained nurse with office exsperance and you would be weeding out the drug users... the people that dident want to participat would just have to get a freaking job or starve.....  day care

more training bam the welfair to work train some to work in day care... to watch the kids of the one doing the drug testing and so on its all in the requirment of them to pass a drug test to be trained and the repay the system by working for a year on a some what competive wage.  

  with the option for full time

 

         

[Fisher of Men]

This is kind of a sore subject for me...

Just recently I was in a grocery store and watched a man, woman, and their child ring up a grocery bill of over $200 then hand the cashier thier access card. You got it, I just paid for their groceries. That in itself wouldn't bother me but I knew this couple, the guy makes and sells meth, she does nothing, the kid is exposed to it daily. Not 1 month later me were knocking down their door executing a search warrant. The amount of stuff this place had was just plain stupid. Nice furniture, appliances, tons of food, etc...all funded by us.

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Yeah. . . and this is nothing new.  Back in the day (in HS) I bagged groceries for about a year.  I'd see people all the time come through the line with over $100 in groceries and pay with food stamps.  Right behind the food stamps was a carton of cigarrettes.  They'd open their wallet to reveal several $100 bills as they paid for the cig's.  I'd then carry their groceries out to a new Cadillac or a sports car.  BURNED ME to no end.  

I agree that something has to be done with welfare and immigration, but I'm afraid that our country has already created a MONSTER by empowering these people in the first place.  If anything IS done, the human rights people will scream that someone's rights have been violated (even though, they never had any to begin with).  

Just another .02,

Fisher

[tritonman]

This is no different then the prison systems.  The prisons get overcrowded so we let the low security prisoners off early, still however on probation. We pay for them in prison, and we pay for them on probation, we pay for a place for them to live, and a place for them to work.

I believe we should send them into the military, since we have to pay them anyways. And since we are short on people joining the service and fighting in the middle east, send them over onto the front lines. If they survive then they can come home free.

[RecMar8541]

IMO prisoner troops probably isnt the best thing.  Generally these types of people are non-conformists.  They have already proven their regard for society, or lack there of.

In a combat situation, trusting the other men is paramount, counting on them to stand and fight, to cover you and to be reliable.  I just dont see that happening with these people who have already shown that they will put themselves above society.  

In talking to my Dad, a vietnam vet, I guess this has been tried before, with little success.  They had a name for them, which I wont repeat exactly but it ammounts to "poop bird".  They were highly unreliable, and in some cases dangerous.  In combat, if you are counting on someone and they let you down, it can mean your life!

Perhaps in supporting roles, cooks, motor transport, something of that nature.  However, I still dont think I would like to see that happen.  Military people who are good citizens, serving their country, should not have the enigma of possibly being "a convict soldier".

This is of course just one persons opinion, speaking of these types of people in general, and certainly not all of them.  Some would undoubtedly perform well.  But them again, if you take 1000 monkeys, one will no doubt know how to ride a bike as well......