paparock Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 This is a report out of the UK that directly relates to the threat that Iran is posing to our soldiers and to the death of some already despite denials from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this very week. This post is so you are informed of the latest news not widely reported by mainstream american news. It speaks for itself so this is my only comments. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml Iraqi insurgents using Austrian rifles from Iran By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent Last Updated: 7:05pm GMT 13/02/2007 Audio: Revelation makes US action against Iran more likely, says Thomas Harding Austrian sniper rifles that were exported to Iran have been discovered in the hands of Iraqi terrorists, The Daily Telegraph has learned. More than 100 of the.50 calibre weapons, capable of penetrating body armour, have been discovered by American troops during raids. The guns were part of a shipment of 800 rifles that the Austrian company, Steyr-Mannlicher, exported legally to Iran last year. The sale was condemned in Washington and London because officials were worried that the weapons would be used by insurgents against British and American troops. Within 45 days of the first HS50 Steyr Mannlicher rifles arriving in Iran, an American officer in an armoured vehicle was shot dead by an Iraqi insurgent using the weapon. Over the last six months American forces have found small caches of the £10,000 rifles but in the last 24 hours a raid in Baghdad brought the total to more than 100, US defence sources reported. The find is the latest in a series of discoveries that indicate that Teheran is providing support to Iraq's Shia insurgents. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, yesterday denied that Iran had supplied weapons to Iraqi insurgents. But on Sunday US officials in Baghdad displayed a range of weapons they claimed had originated in Iran. They said 170 American and British soldiers had been killed by such weapons. The discovery of the sniper rifles will further encourage those in Washington who want to see Iran's uranium-enriching facilities destroyed before a nuclear weapon is produced. The Foreign Office expressed "serious concerns" over the sale of the rifles last year and Britain protested to the Austrian government. A Foreign Office spokesman said last night: "Although we did make our worries known the sale unfortunately went ahead and now the potential that these weapons could fall into the wrong hands appears to have happened." The rifle can pierce all body armour from up to a mile and penetrate armoured Humvee troop carriers. It is highly accurate and fires a round called an armour piercing incendiary, a bullet that the Iranians manufacture. The National Iranian Police Organisation bought the rifles allegedly to use them against drug smugglers in an £8 million order placed with Steyr in 2005. The company was given permission to export them by the Austrian government, which is not a Nato member.
Super User Dan: Posted February 14, 2007 Super User Posted February 14, 2007 yep, I saw this today. There have also been recent stories about Iran's involvement with the construction of bombs used in Iraq.
Super User cart7t Posted February 14, 2007 Super User Posted February 14, 2007 Shouldn't we be more pizzed off at Austria and the company involved for selling weapons to Iran in the first place? Perhaps to the point of some sort of UN action to condemn the sale and sanction them? That said, the black market is ripe for weaponry. Had it not been those guns it would've been someone elses and BTW, as the Baker/Hamilton led commision instructed, The majority populace of Iraq are ****e with strong ties to Iran. Since the ****es are the majority and this is supposed to be a Democratic goverment being set up there why aren't they being given more control than the Sunni's? Secondly, most of those mass graves that were found early on in the ground offensive contained the remains of ****e fighters who attempted to overthrow Saddam right after the end of Gulf war 1, we stood by and watched as Saddam chopped them to pieces and only installed the no fly zone to prevent Saddam from using Helicopters in aerial assaults against them. It's no wonder the ****es are angry over there, no wonder they hold grudges against the Sunni's and now us for leaning towards a rule by them. In no means is this any justification to shoot Americans or anyone else for that matter but, unless you understand the entire picture going on over there and the people involved will this ever be resolved properly. Trying to force feed a Pro-American, puppet goverment on that country will never work.
Tom Bass Posted February 14, 2007 Posted February 14, 2007 The agreement with the UN during "Gulf War 1" was not to go any further into Iraq and take out Saddam.
Water Dog Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 The discovery of the sniper rifles will further encourage those in Washington who want to see Iran's uranium-enriching facilities destroyed before a nuclear weapon is produced. Papa Rock, I'm for that.
Super User cart7t Posted February 15, 2007 Super User Posted February 15, 2007 Well, even the President admitted today he had no proof that the Iranian goverment had anything to do with the rifles in the hands of insurgents. More fuzzy intelligence on par with the same pizz poor intelligence that saw fertilizer trucks as WMD manufacturing vehicles before this thing started. This administration has lied once, I have no doubt they'd do it again to further their Imperialist agenda in the region.
Super User Dan: Posted February 15, 2007 Super User Posted February 15, 2007 what about the bomb pieces that they beleive have come from Iran?
Super User cart7t Posted February 15, 2007 Super User Posted February 15, 2007 what about the bomb pieces that they beleive have come from Iran? Where do you stop? The President said he'll do anything in his power necessary to protect our troops. I would guess attacking Austria is next. That country knew full well that an Austrian guns producer, Steyr-Mannlicher, was going to sell rifles to Iran, a country not known for gun collectors or having a strong game hunting industry, it's safe to assume those rifles would be used to kill someone. Since we're drawing lines between dots so liberally, we can draw the line from the insurgents rifle to the Iranian goverment to Steyr-Mannlicher in Austria at the OK of the Austrian goverment. Nuke em all I guess. :
Super User Dan: Posted February 15, 2007 Super User Posted February 15, 2007 no, I think the legal transaction between two sovereign states isn't the same as Iran giving bombs to Iraqi insurgents in a deliberate attempt to kill Americans. I doubt we can assert that Austria knew that the weapons would end up in Iraqi hands.
paparock Posted February 15, 2007 Author Posted February 15, 2007 what about the bomb pieces that they beleive have come from Iran? Where do you stop? The President said he'll do anything in his power necessary to protect our troops. I would guess attacking Austria is next. That country knew full well that an Austrian guns producer, Steyr-Mannlicher, was going to sell rifles to Iran, a country not known for gun collectors or having a strong game hunting industry, it's safe to assume those rifles would be used to kill someone. Since we're drawing lines between dots so liberally, we can draw the line from the insurgents rifle to the Iranian goverment to Steyr-Mannlicher in Austria at the OK of the Austrian goverment. Nuke em all I guess. : Did you read the UK report on the rifles as sold to the Iranian government? It is for them to explain how they ended up in Iraq and punish those responsible although we all know they will not since they are the same people that seized our embassy in Iran and held them hostage for so long in violation to International Law. Personally, I do not see "nuke um all" as a viable option but that may at some point be the only remaining option their Fanatical Islamic Religious Rulers leave us. If Iran struck Israel first with nukes, would you say the USA should counter the strike in kind onto Iranian soil if Israel were unable to respond directly itself cart7?
Water Dog Posted February 15, 2007 Posted February 15, 2007 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, yesterday denied that Iran had supplied weapons to Iraqi insurgents. But on Sunday US officials in Baghdad displayed a range of weapons they claimed had originated in Iran. They said 170 American and British soldiers had been killed by such weapons. Not a surprise that Ahmadinajihad would deny it. Also not a surprise that some of our politicians will cover for him.
paparock Posted February 17, 2007 Author Posted February 17, 2007 The intimidation of moderate Muslims in the U.S. Erick Stakelbeck at Hot Air reports on the continuing persecution of Jamal Miftah, a Muslim in Tulsa, who has been called "un-Islamic" by the imam of a U.S. mosque for daring to condemn Osama bin Laden. "It was not an express threat," says Miftah of what mosque leaders were saying about him, "but it is an implied message to the others: that he isn't Islamic, you kill him, you go to heaven." The Al-Salaam Mosque in Tulsa, which kicked out Miftah, said they would take him back if he apologizes for the op-ed he wrote against bin Laden -- although now they say they only kicked him out because he was too loud during Islamic services. Sure. You'd think they'd put up with the inconvenience of his loud voice considering the fact that he was articulating the moderation that we're constantly told that they all believe in, wouldn't they? After all, Muslim leaders complain that moderate Muslims get no attention from the media -- surely they would all want to stand behind Jamal Miftah, wouldn't they? Wouldn't they? http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/16/jamal-miftah-a-moderate-muslims-plight/ http://jewsandmuslims.tribe.net/thread/05d5ad3c-0442-490c-ab24-cd8912683eaafor the op-ed he wrote against bin Laden.
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted February 17, 2007 BassResource.com Administrator Posted February 17, 2007 Never been a big fan of "hot political topics" here. Let's go fishing!
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