Conditioner

[Damien]

I have been useing KVD's line and lure conditioner and i really like it. it is all that he says it is. what do yall think or do you have any thing eles that you might think is better.

[Just_Old_Fisherman]

I have been using it for over a year and would not be without it.  Also, I found the best price is to order direct in a 2 or 4 bottle package.  You can get it from their new website:

http://cleverinnovations.net/details/category/4/prodid/5/

[jdw174]

I'm fond of "Tangle Free".  Comes in a small squeeze bottle.  2-3 drops per spool will do the job.

[Avalonjohn44]

I bought some Reel Magic and honestly cannot tell a difference.  I use it on my baitcaster reel and the guild loops as they suggest, and I can't tell if I'm getting any benefit from it.  I use it on my spinning tackle too, but same thing...

Is it me, or should I buy the KVD version?

[GitRDoneIke23]

I use Real Majic. It works fine for me.

8-)

[Avalonjohn44]

I use Real Majic. It works fine for me

Cool, but what does it do for you?  Longer casts?  Does it work for mono?  

[Guest muddy]

Seems like just another thing to spend money on that doesn't do much. I just got a can of reel Magic from Zel, so I first have to use it before I can really chime in, time will tell.

[GitRDoneIke23]

I use Real Majic. It works fine for me

Cool, but what does it do for you? Longer casts? Does it work for mono?

It decreases my mono's spool memory, and I've noticed longer casts. I think it also protects it from UV rays and makes it last a bit longer. I spray a couple sprays on my spool before and after every trip. I'm sure KVD's stuff works good too. i just haven't tried it.

Tight Lines 8-)

[ba7ss3in]

I use both. Which one I see first.

[Just_Old_Fisherman]

I used Reel Magic before I tried KVD Line & Lure and I can tell a big difference.  They are totally different products.  Take a look at the FAQ section for Line & Lure, explains it pretty good.

http://www.lineandlure.com/info/faq_lnl.php

I have not tried or seen the Tangle Free product, but have trouble understanding how 2-3 drops on a spool of line could help the entire spool or an entire cast worth of line.  May be a great product, just had never heard of it before this thread.

Not trying to sell anything or unsell anything, I have no skin in any of the products.  Just stating what I have experienced.

[Avalonjohn44]

Thanks for that KVD link, I might throw $10 his way after reading it.  

[Rob Faddis]

Like is said in this thread KVD Line & Lure and Reel Magic are two completely different things. Read the Line & Lure thread from this form at: http: // bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1204938772 from March 7th. here is an excerpt.

The Line & Lure Story

I would like to point out a few dynamics of our product that will help you better understand some of the benefits an angler can expect with the regular use of Line & Lure and why it is miles ahead of the others line products.

The only real commercial competition for Line & Lure is Blakemore's Reel Magic. It needs to be stated that oil based line dressings like WD-40 and Reel Magic have been around since the 1950's and were used to address some of the problems that anglers were experiencing with monofilament line, the predominant line of the time.

Reel Magic and WD-40 is merely silicone oil with added petroleum distillates that are listed as toxic by the EPA and on the product's label. The silicone oil adds some level of lubrication to line but is very temporary. Just how temporary these products are, can easily be observed when casting after a fresh application. One will plainly see the oil slick it leaves on the water surface. We anglers love the waterways that we fish, so why would we use or condone the use of toxic products that wash into lakes, rivers and bays?

Reel Magic and WD-40 does have a relaxing effect on the corkscrew memory that we see in monofilament line due to the petroleum solvents added to it. Unfortunately, these solvents reduce memory by literally dissolving the outer surface of the line, thereby weakening it. The use of these products, can contribute up to a 50 % loss of monofilament's line strength in just a few days. If that wasn't bad enough, these oils and solvents sprayed onto reel spools are also getting into the reel's moving parts including bearings, gears and seals. The very nature of the oil in these products draws and holds dirt to these parts, negatively affecting their performance and lifespan. The solvents in the products are known to degrade the seals that the manufacturer built into the reel to protect the inner moving parts. Ask any professional reel repair technician and chances are that he will agree.

On the other hand, Line & Lure contains a blend of non-toxic, polymers that are not found in any other line dressing or conditioner. The proprietary polymer blend in Line & Lure imparts a coating to line that actually bonds to the line's surface. In theory, this bond becomes a permanent part of the line. The only way to remove this coating is to abrade it from the line, by friction. The polymers fill any line surface imperfections and create a very uniform and smooth microscopic coating on the line. This smooth surface is inherently more resistant to friction than an untreated one. In this case, this phenomenon provides multiple benefits.

First, as friction does start to attack the line (as it goes through the rod guides, over obstacles, etc.), the polymer acts as a sacrificial buffer to that friction. Practically, our replaceable polymer finish wears instead of the line itself. This of course extends the line's life tremendously.

Secondarily, these polymers are extremely hydrophobic, meaning that they literally push water away at the molecular level. This hydrophobic action reduces the amount of water that is retained on the line during a retrieve. It is this water surface tension on the reel spool that is a major contributor to casting distance restriction. This phenomenon is further demonstrated when we take into consideration the reduction in backlash with bait casting reels and blow-outs on spinning reels that anglers find when using Line & Lure.

This surface tension principle is the same thing that one experience when they pick up a sweating drinking glass and find the coaster being picked up with the glass. The less water on the line, the less the resistance caused by surface tension. This equals much longer casts and fewer backlashes!

It is also easy to see that with less water retention on the line there will be less contaminants coming back up on to the reel. This is especially important when fishing in saltwater. As we all know, it is the salt crystals that form in-between the loops of line on reels that cause a lot of the wear damage to fishing line. This salt also invades the seals on reels and over time acts like sandpaper wearing on reel components. Just as on the line, the polymers in line & Lure protect the seals from the elements, helping keeping them in prime condition. The anticorrosive properties of Line & Lure also dramatically reduce corrosion damage to rod, reel and artificial bait surfaces. Simply put, Line & Lure greatly extends the useful life of fishing equipment, lines and baits.

Line and lure contains extremely high sunscreen protection. This sunscreen blocks the UV rays from sunlight. UV radiation has a massively destructive effect on fishing line. Fishing line can literally burn at about half the rate as unprotected human skin! Using Line & Lure on your line is equivalent to using an SPF 30 on your skin. The competition has no more UV protection then baby oil.

Anglers are very happy with the benefits that they get using Line & Lure on monofilament line, but please keep in mind that Line & Lure was primarily designed by Kevin VanDam and RMR Industries to address the inherent problems anglers experience with fluorocarbon, co-polymers and braided lines. Other line dressings have little or no positive effect on these hi-tech lines.

After 1-½ years in development and testing by thousands of anglers around the world, Line and Lure has been proven to work effectively on any type of line made by any manufacturer. In addition, it is the only line conditioner that positively affects the flexibility, knot strength, casting and control of fluorocarbon line. Anglers using Line & Lure can expect the following benefits:

· Longer casts.......guaranteed!

· Virtually eliminates line memory, backlash, tangles, and twists

· Restores new line performance to old tired line

· Fights saltwater corrosion on reels, rods and tackle

· Leaves no oily residues or scents like other line treatments

· Contains no polluting petroleum distillates as in other conditioners

· Fights fading and damage to gear with high sunscreen

· Reduces water spotting on electronics & sunglasses

· Environmentally safe - non-toxic

· Superior Fly Line Dressing

· Unsurpassed de-icing performance in ice fishing

[Tokyo Tony]

Suave coconut for me

[dollarbill]

Do you apply this stuff before you put line on your reel, or after.

[burleytog]

Suave coconut for me

Rinse or leave it in?

[Just_Old_Fisherman]

Do you apply this stuff before you put line on your reel, or after.

Both.  When spooling new line I spray some Line & Lure on a small rag and run the line through it as I spool it.  Then before loading my rigs in the boat I give them a 2-3 shots around the spool.  I never retreat during the day, never need it.  And my light line is 14 lb Gamma, up to 20# P-Line CX-Premium.  

Also, if a rod has been sitting for a while and not used, I will give it a few shots.

[Low_Budget_Hooker]

I have a small bottle of the KVD stuff.  I'm testing it for a review (y'all know I can be bluntly honest).

I specifically did not change line this yr because I wanted to see how it does on old stuff.  What I have on my Tierra is perfect,...Low Budget Ande outback blue, you can spool a reel for $1.43  ;D.

I fished a very cold day with Matt 5.0 and the eyes on his carrot stick were freezing (frozen carrots??)  Mine were fine,..no ice build up.  So far that's one checkmark in the "+" column.

So far, so good, we were even joking about it because my buddy made us late because he had to respool before we left.  Needless to say, He spent time "managing" his line, I spent time taking advantage of his down time.  I'll give that 1/2 a "+"