Super User Catt Posted March 13, 2008 Super User Posted March 13, 2008 Oh so if we delete The knot was still on the line so I think the line broke. But that is a different post in a different forum. We will be on the same wave length. I tried Norman speed clips years ago when they first came out haven't had the urge to try any type of clip since.
Guest muddy Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Hey Turtle: I find it interesting to play with baits and so forth. It gives me some fun and I have many cranks that can do a lot of things out of the box, i find it a challange to get one to do something differently than what the manufacturer intended. I realize you are far more advance than me now and I am sorry I should have realized what an expert you are on everything.
Turtle. Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Hey muddy whats your FREAKIN problem. I am an expert on nothing .All I did was post opion on this ,is that all right with you ?????????You spend so much time bashing and making fun of other members.Honesty it gets old, Is that what this fourm is about??????????????
Guest muddy Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 I answered your question ^^^^----------------------knot- BREAK Speed Clip>HornyToad Hey SV I am sorry I gave you wrong info. I presumed you were talking momo line, I know nothing about Braid, I should have asked you first.
RichardE Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Can't we just all get along?? ;D Back on topic, I don't use clips on baits that require a jaw breaker hook set such as soft plastic/ frog etc. I like the clips for the hardbaits though.
tyrius. Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 A chain is only as strong as its weekest link I only tie direct,and retie often. And that will be the knot or the line (if damaged) and not the clip.
tyrius. Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 First :I want to run the action of the lure. Not give the crankbait more wobble action.If this where the case I would change to one that fit my needs for a given situation.(wider wobble) Why would you want to ruin (I'm assuming run means ruin) the action in this way? If you want a tighter wobble why not use a flat sided crank?
Turtle. Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 First :I want to run the action of the lure. Not give the crankbait more wobble action.If this where the case I would change to one that fit my needs for a given situation.(wider wobble) Why would you want to ruin (I'm assuming run means ruin) the action in this way? If you want a tighter wobble why not use a flat sided crank? Run means run ,and ruin means ruin(a least where I come from) I want to RUN a crank bait the way it comes and the way it was made.Not change the action(possibly) by adding something.I have many crankbaits. Some have very tight wobbles (not flat sided) and some have wider wobbles.This was all I was saying.I am very sorry for having an opinion on this.What I do and use works for me,does'nt make it right or wrong.What you use works for you.So I guess that makes it right.In the future I will keep my thoughts to myself And again,sorry to all for the drama and off topic nosense that my opinion caused. turtle (just some dummy in ohio)
tyrius. Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Run means run ,and ruin means ruin(a least where I come from)I want to RUN a crank bait the way it comes and the way it was made.Not change the action(possibly) by adding something.I have many crankbaits. Some have very tight wobbles (not flat sided) and some have wider wobbles.This was all I was saying.I am very sorry for having an opinion on this.What I do and use works for me,does'nt make it right or wrong.What you use works for you.So I guess that makes it right.In the future I will keep my thoughts to myself And again,sorry to all for the drama and off topic nosense that my opinion caused. turtle (just some dummy in ohio) I'm not saying your way is wrong. I'm merely asking questions. Also, I'm pretty sure that muddy's post that you responded to had a typo and his run should've been ruin. I thought you were being sarcastic in your response and continuing with the typo. Sorry about that. From the research that I have done tieing a palomar knot directly to the crank bait inhibits the action. Crankbait makers on this site recommend snaps for their lures. Rapala's website recommends rapala knots for all of their lures. Rapala knots have a loop at the end of the knot which functions the same as a clip/snap in allowing the split ring to move within the knot. I understand the reasoning for this. In asking you questions I am trying to gain an understanding for your position to see if it makes sense to me and if I should reevaluate my own opinion. I'm no bass pro and have LOADS to learn before I even consider myself a good fisherman.
Guest muddy Posted March 13, 2008 Posted March 13, 2008 Good it is not only me with this guy , WHEW!!!!!!!! Anyway: there is more than a few guys who like to alter baits. This is especially true when you fish highly pressured waters, sometimes the sucess comes from the altered action, the fish do not see all the time. Rapala set their site up to show the BOXED action in the water, then there is an area that talks about bait modification. The first time this drew my interest, Bait modification, was one of the episodes of the IN FISHERMAN, 2nd year. Ron Linder was fishing for Smallies with Doug Stange and they came upon a huge White Bass bite, they had nothing to interest the white bass with, and they had a wide wobble crank ( I forget the brand) they took the split ring off and replace it with an elongated oval split ring and they got a tighter wobble and bite after bite. I have been messing with baits ever since. So Mr. Turtle I guess it is more than me. If we dont agree with your opinion, oh well, not everyone agrees with mine, don't sweat the small crap and take things so personally You are the one calling yourself a dummy, I do not feel that way. We may not agree, but there is a lot of experience here , and the differences in information may be the key to your sucess
BassFishingMachine Posted March 14, 2008 Posted March 14, 2008 My friend tryed them with a striper plug. When we were walking back to the car, he accidently opened the bail on his reel, the plug rigged with the clip hit the ground, and the clip came undone from the plug (and no it didn't break). Well that just made me never plan to try them ever in my fishing lifetime. If I lost a big striper due to some friggin clip, I think I would start freakin out to a point where theyd lock me up in the looney bin and throw away the key.
Turtle. Posted March 14, 2008 Posted March 14, 2008 Good it is not only me with this guy Nope muddy just you tyrius No problem with you at all.Don't mind If anyone disagrees with my opinion,just don't like being bashed for having one.That being said hope we can let it go and just move on. :-X I've been bass fishing for 30+ years and learn something new every time out.I fish crankbaits alot of the time, and has been that way for the last 15 years.It's my go to bait and my most productive bait by far.Tried snaps years ago and didn"t like them.Just didn't work for me.JMHO But will use snaps if they come on the cranks by design. But,you bring up some very good points. I have used the rapla knot on cranks,but have more faith in the palomar knot, I hav'nt really noticed it inhibiting the action of the bait. But what you said about the snap allowing the split ring to move within the knot got me thinking.So my question is, if say crankbait companys such as bandit,strikeking etc.Design,build,test and sell there cranks without snaps but were needed to get the proper action wouldn't they come with them?I also understand this may just be personal prefrence.What are your thoughts on this.
Guest muddy Posted March 14, 2008 Posted March 14, 2008 A lot of cranks have some kind of loop knot recomended in the instructions. I don't know why some come with split rings and some don't. I suspect with some like the Rapala shallow Shad Rap, it makes it easier to tie the lure on. The snap( MINUS SNAP SWIVELS, because they absolutley ruin aciton on a bait) like a duo lock or BPS brand( I use both) allows for the action of the bait and makes it easy to change baits. Having nuropathy, another diabetic angler showed me this years ago. I also think they save some dough not including rings.
tyrius. Posted March 14, 2008 Posted March 14, 2008 just don't like being bashed for having one. I was most certainly not trying to bash your opinion. I was trying to figure out why you had it. I've been bass fishing for 30+ years and learn something new every time out. And I only just got back into it last year. Heck I hadn't even HEARD of a senko until I logged into this site. I have used the rapla knot on cranks,but have more faith in the palomar knot, I too have much more faith in the palomar which is why I use snaps. I tie a palomar to the snap and then snap on the crank. In this way I get the action of a Rapala knot without having to use a knot with a lower breaking point. I hav'nt really noticed it inhibiting the action of the bait. There has been some other posts where this topic has been discussed. I even started one a few months ago. Some of the custom crank makers specifically said that something is needed between the knot and the lure (split ring, snap, loop knot, etc). I'm terrible at searching this site so maybe someone else can find it. But what you said about the snap allowing the split ring to move within the knot got me thinking.So my question is, if say crankbait companys such as bandit,strikeking etc.Design,build,test and sell there cranks without snaps but were needed to get the proper action wouldn't they come with them?I also understand this may just be personal prefrence.What are your thoughts on this. Well Rapala's site recommends the rapala knot (shocking huh?). I emailed bandit. One other thing to think about is why would the crankbait manufacturers go through the added expense of putting a snap on each crank when one of the main purposes of a snap is the ability to change between crankbaits easily. The consumer would have to take the snaps off each of the lures that they buy so it seems to be a waste for them to include one on each lure.
Super User roadwarrior Posted March 14, 2008 Super User Posted March 14, 2008 ** MODERATOR NOTE ** Geez...Four pages on snaps and now it's a food fight? Good night Irene.
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