ILfisherman Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Do you take care of your gear? Yearly cleaning etc.? I own several of the reels mentioned, Shimano's included... I'd take the BPS PQ any day of the week for the money. Take one apart and you will see why. When you get a good quality reel and take care of it, you won't need parts because it won't break. Quote
The Rooster Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 It might not break but what about just functioning poorly?? I have a few Extremes that for the record are nearly the same as a PQ minus the centrifugal brakes. They do not begin to compare to my Citica or Curado for smoothness. I believe this has to do with tolerances when they build the reels, Shimanos are just simply tighter. Someone else here said that all reel companies use the same quality bearings. I used to think that too, until I tried a Citica and saw for myself that it will absolutely outcast the Extremes using the same lures, and will also cast lighter lures that the Extremes will not throw very well at all. Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted February 23, 2011 Super User Posted February 23, 2011 It might not break but what about just functioning poorly?? I have a few Extremes that for the record are nearly the same as a PQ minus the centrifugal brakes. They do not begin to compare to my Citica or Curado for smoothness. I believe this has to do with tolerances when they build the reels, Shimanos are just simply tighter. Someone else here said that all reel companies use the same quality bearings. I used to think that too, until I tried a Citica and saw for myself that it will absolutely outcast the Extremes using the same lures, and will also cast lighter lures that the Extremes will not throw very well at all. Rooster I have both Extremes and PQs, and there is no comparison between the two. The PQ is a better reel in every way. As far as the PQs being disposable reels, only time will tell, but you Shimano guys who find it necessary to beat up on other brands are not really helping anything. Glenn has said over and over if you like something, tell why you like it without beating on other brands. This forum would be more helpful if that policy was actually followed. There are many of us who have put many hours on PQs reels with no problems. Shimano makes fine stuff for the most part, but do not drink the Kool Aid that they are superior to anything out there at any price point. Quote
SHW300 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 No doubt that the Citica and Curado are better reels, I own both. For $79 the PQ is a good deal. The question was for sub $100 reel, therefore I would still recommend the PQ. Quote
Scorpio Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I believe this has to do with tolerances when they build the reels, Shimanos are just simply tighter. Hence the backplay in the handle. ;D Quote
ChiCityBasser Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 It might not break but what about just functioning poorly?? I have a few Extremes that for the record are nearly the same as a PQ minus the centrifugal brakes. They do not begin to compare to my Citica or Curado for smoothness. I believe this has to do with tolerances when they build the reels, Shimanos are just simply tighter. Someone else here said that all reel companies use the same quality bearings. I used to think that too, until I tried a Citica and saw for myself that it will absolutely outcast the Extremes using the same lures, and will also cast lighter lures that the Extremes will not throw very well at all. Rooster I have both Extremes and PQs, and there is no comparison between the two. The PQ is a better reel in every way. As far as the PQs being disposable reels, only time will tell, but you Shimano guys who find it necessary to beat up on other brands are not really helping anything. Glenn has said over and over if you like something, tell why you like it without beating on other brands. This forum would be more helpful if that policy was actually followed. There are many of us who have put many hours on PQs reels with no problems. Shimano makes fine stuff for the most part, but do not drink the Kool Aid that they are superior to anything out there at any price point. Agreed Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 23, 2011 Super User Posted February 23, 2011 It might not break but what about just functioning poorly?? I have a few Extremes that for the record are nearly the same as a PQ minus the centrifugal brakes. They do not begin to compare to my Citica or Curado for smoothness. I believe this has to do with tolerances when they build the reels, Shimanos are just simply tighter. Someone else here said that all reel companies use the same quality bearings. I used to think that too, until I tried a Citica and saw for myself that it will absolutely outcast the Extremes using the same lures, and will also cast lighter lures that the Extremes will not throw very well at all. Rooster I have both Extremes and PQs, and there is no comparison between the two. The PQ is a better reel in every way. As far as the PQs being disposable reels, only time will tell, but you Shimano guys who find it necessary to beat up on other brands are not really helping anything. Glenn has said over and over if you like something, tell why you like it without beating on other brands. This forum would be more helpful if that policy was actually followed. There are many of us who have put many hours on PQs reels with no problems. Shimano makes fine stuff for the most part, but do not drink the Kool Aid that they are superior to anything out there at any price point. I think a person that owns both Shimano and BPS reels is perfectly qualified to make a comparison, and its fair game. Who else's opinion would you trust? I work on over 300 reels per year. In just about ever way, Shimano and Daiwa reels are of a superior design and build quality, but you pay for that. You cannot compare an $80 BPS reel to a reel twice as much. Quote
northern basser Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I have not used a PQ, but as far as the citica e is concerned, well worth the $. Quote
SmokeRise1 Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I'm in the same boat. Looking to purchase a reel in this range. Cabelas now has the Quantum Catalyst PT on sale for $79 from $149. Would you still take a Citica at $119 over the Catalyst? Quote
northern basser Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I'm in the same boat. Looking to purchase a reel in this range. Cabelas now has the Quantum Catalyst PT on sale for $79 from $149. Would you still take a Citica at $119 over the Catalyst? I personally have not used the catalyst so I can't comment. Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted February 23, 2011 Super User Posted February 23, 2011 What about Pinnacle reels? I bought a $70 Pinnacle baitcaster in 2003 and still use it as my main bc reel. This reel has been great never an issue with it hundreds of hours of use. Throw 1/8oz jigs no problems. I would look into getting another just cant find a place around me that sells the better Pinnacle reels. Quote
Dan-K Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Citica 200/201e's can be had on ebay for 90-100 shipped...... Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted February 23, 2011 Super User Posted February 23, 2011 J Franco have you had a chance to look at, or work on the Pro Qualifier baitcast reels? I'm just curious about your opinion, and not looking to stir the pot. With proper maintenance is there any reason to believe my PQs will not give me years of service? I am starting on my third year on one and a second year on a couple more. Thanks. Quote
sodaksker Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I have a citica and a diawa viento. A lot of people don't like the viento soley because the fear of the twitching bar breaking. I have had 2 for about 4 years with no hassle and just picked up another viento for a buddy of mine at tackle wharehouse. $89 shipped is a great value for that reel. Especially if you like to fish slowly , with one hand. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 23, 2011 Super User Posted February 23, 2011 J Franco have you had a chance to look at, or work on the Pro Qualifier baitcast reels? I'm just curious about your opinion, and not looking to stir the pot. With proper maintenance is there any reason to believe my PQs will not give me years of service? I am starting on my third year on one and a second year on a couple more. Thanks. Yep, I had a few come through. Nothing remarkably different from any of the rest of the BPS reels. parts are cheap, unrefined in their mechanics, and show signs of wear after a season. Not for nothing, its not all just BPS reels. You would be surprised at what some more expensive, brand name reels are showing. Revos with worn out clutch kickplates or broken yoke posts, Steez with worn out worms and pawls, Rather than dwell on that, look for what I use and recommend. Nothing from BPS is on that list. Now, aside from the occasional stripped pinion (my own error) on my own reels. No issues Sols, Fuegos, Zillions, TD-X, TD-Z, Capricorns, Procasters, Curado D, Citica D, Calcutta B and GT, Stradic FG, XTC Spinning, CI4...... However, with the exception of just a few of those, they were all more than a Pro Qualifier. I think there's more bang for the buck finding a lightly used reel. DVT or someone else can clean them up better than new for just a few bucks. I can't tell you the deals I've gotten for "used" reels. Sols...$100. TD-X...2 for $75. TD-Z....$120. BNIB Alphas....$170. Tack on $20 or so to have them cleaned, and you have top notch reel that will last. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I can't disagree with anything JF has to say here. I think the fly in the ointment is the $100 budget limit. The best advice is to save up that extra $20-$50 and look for deals as in the example posted. If that just is not an option, you can probably get $75 worth of use out of a PQ if you treat it right, but you may go through two in the time a $120 reel would last. Quote
Super User K_Mac Posted February 23, 2011 Super User Posted February 23, 2011 Fair enough guys. I have had great service from my PQ reels and BPS stuff in general, but I will not argue with the testimony of two guys who work on reels professionally. Thanks for your replies. 8-) Quote
bassfinder Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 I agree on bps pro qualifier. if you have an old 202 or something cheap you can trade it in at the spring sale and get a PQ for about 65.00 normally 100.00. Very good reel for that price. Quote
bigbassctchr101 Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 J Franco have you had a chance to look at, or work on the Pro Qualifier baitcast reels? I'm just curious about your opinion, and not looking to stir the pot. With proper maintenance is there any reason to believe my PQs will not give me years of service? I am starting on my third year on one and a second year on a couple more. Thanks. Yep, I had a few come through. Nothing remarkably different from any of the rest of the BPS reels. parts are cheap, unrefined in their mechanics, and show signs of wear after a season. Not for nothing, its not all just BPS reels. You would be surprised at what some more expensive, brand name reels are showing. Revos with worn out clutch kickplates or broken yoke posts, Steez with worn out worms and pawls, Rather than dwell on that, look for what I use and recommend. Nothing from BPS is on that list. Now, aside from the occasional stripped pinion (my own error) on my own reels. No issues Sols, Fuegos, Zillions, TD-X, TD-Z, Capricorns, Procasters, Curado D, Citica D, Calcutta B and GT, Stradic FG, XTC Spinning, CI4...... However, with the exception of just a few of those, they were all more than a Pro Qualifier. I think there's more bang for the buck finding a lightly used reel. DVT or someone else can clean them up better than new for just a few bucks. I can't tell you the deals I've gotten for "used" reels. Sols...$100. TD-X...2 for $75. TD-Z....$120. BNIB Alphas....$170. Tack on $20 or so to have them cleaned, and you have top notch reel that will last. I know you just said that none of the list was a BPS brand....But, what about Johnny Morris. Is the quality any better with them? Or same guts with a different shell? Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 25, 2011 Super User Posted February 25, 2011 Not unless they're deeply discounted. Quote
dulouz Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 Is anyone concerned with the availablity of parts for the store brand reels? I have heard a few of the reel repair places in my area don't like working on Cabela's or BPS reels. I suppose the big names discontinue stuff as well. Just a thought... Quote
HookSetDon Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 hey jfranco, im also in the process of selecting a new reel.. the citica e at 119 vs the currado e at 179 ( bps online pricing) would u hands down spring for the extra money and go to t he curado or is it not necessary? i have a chronarch and 2 currados which i love and a cruixus that is mediocre, where does the citica range between the cruixus and currado? Quote
Stasher1 Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 Personally, I wouldn't even consider a Citica at full retail when I can get a Curado on Ebay for $20 more...shipped to my door. Quote
A-Rob Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 citica would be my choice in that price range. Quote
northern basser Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 I fished with the citica e and the curado e last summer. Is the curado better? Yes, but not by as much as some think. Citica e's brand new on ebay for around $92. Quote
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