gear ratio help ?

[berkleyfan81]

So i was wondering what a good gear ratio for flipping and frogging , I was going to buy a new pinnacle reel that i  wanted but  it on backorder till mid summer so my second opinion for a new reel was a Abu Garcia Revo s reel( 6.4:1)  and the other reel was a pinnacle deadbolt slyder reel (7.0:1) that i was going to use for flipping when it come out so I am still  going to buy both. But one i  just have to wait on and one i going to buy now so my question is what can you fish with  a 6.4:1 gear ratio . Also this  would be my first one and don't know what to use it on really for ? but please do add in other reel you think are good for this style of fishing .

[Sam]

Berkley, it depends.

If you are flipping and pitching in heavy cover and you need to drag the fish out of the grass and structure then a 7:1 is a good choice.

If you are just floating down the bank and throwing to wood and brush then the 6:1 is acceptable.

I use a spinning rig to flip and pitch the most but will go to a baitcaster if there is heavy cover.

Remember, there are no set rules in bass fishing. Each situation begs a different approach, technique, bait and tackle. 

[berkleyfan81]

i was told by someone when you fish heavy cover like frogging you need a low speed reel like a 6.1 to horse out the big bass without stripping your gears ,  i also ask ish manroe on his website and i asked hey ish ,

I have a question for you what daiwa baitcating reel is better for frog fishing Daiwa Aggrest Casting Reels  with a 7.3:1 or a daiwa exceler casting reel that 7.1:1 ? Or if you can tell me which one you use for frog fishing also the rod that you think is a great frog rod  too ?

and ish told me back on the forum I use the 6:3.1 Zillion for the reel and the Steez XBD 7ft 4in frog rod! the slower speed helps when you have 5lbs of Bass and 20 lbs of Grass!

Hope that helps ! Good fishin!

Ish

so that why i might need a 6.4:1 reel like a revo s

[Uncle Leo]

Lower gear ratio will provide more torque. IPT is more important than gear ratio. More goes into the mechanics for taking up line than just gear ratio. All moving parts are taking into consideration for IPT. Personally for fishing heavy weeds a lower gear ratio could be better to bring the fish out with a bunch of weeds. Conversely a higher gear ratio, increased IPT, could help to pull the fish away from the weeds before it gets buried. It does depend on your reaction time and the sensitivity of your rod and line. You need to find a happy medium that you are comfortable with. Personally a 7:1 is great for open water and taking up line when a bass makes a hard run at the boat. A 6:1 or even a 5:1 will help in heavy weeds to wrench the bass out with weeds attached. Both will work though.

[J Francho]

If you're worried about stripping gears, then you're using the wrong reel.

6.x:1 isn't really a slow reel, in fact you're better off referring to IPT, mentioned above. I personally use a Zillion or TD-X for my frogging. They are 7.1:1, and 6.2:1, respectively. I don't notice any difference in the leverage or torque between the two of them. You're talking maybe 4"/turn difference.  But, I use the rod to move the fish, not the reel.

Main things: strong drag, heavy line, aluminum frame, stout rod.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

I feel a little faster reel to take up line quickly helps in heavy cover. This puts the rod to work which is your main fish fighting tool. If you have the drag on lock-down and are using the reel like a winch to horse 5lbs of pulling fish along with untold lbs of vegetation, you're looking to break something regardless of ratio. There's no reason to be afraid to fish a 6.4:1 reel here however. Don't make a mtn. out of a mole hill.

[berkleyfan81]

thanks but i have another question would you ever by a revo s at all , my buddy is telling me to buy a pflueger asaro reel instead but the thing is he think the revo is smooth but they pflueger are more which one would u buy also does drag even count for the flipping or frogging or do you have to have a high drag like a 24 then a 15 drag max can ou explain to me please .

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The Revo and Pflueger are both Pure Fishing products and share many of the same parts and engineering. The only difference would be model features. As far as drags are concerned, 10 lbs is plenty for bass fishing. A smooth, adjustable drag is what I'd look at in comparing reels. The drags function is protect the line rod and reel from the stresses encountered fighting fish. It also helps in "playing" the fish. This is more of a factor with larger, harder running species than bass.

[dulouz]

I have been doing some research on reels, comparing ratios and IPT's.  I am amazed at how two reels with the same ratio made by different companies have such different IPT.  I wouldn't exclude a reel soley based on ratio. 

[B-Dozer]

I have been doing some research on reels, comparing ratios and IPT's. I am amazed at how two reels with the same ratio made by different companies have such different IPT. I wouldn't exclude a reel soley based on ratio.

Think of it this way, might help. To Jeeps, both geared 4:11, one has 35" tires, one has 29" tires. Bigger tires will turn much lower RPMs. Now transfer this to spool size vs. tires

[dulouz]

I have been doing some research on reels, comparing ratios and IPT's. I am amazed at how two reels with the same ratio made by different companies have such different IPT. I wouldn't exclude a reel soley based on ratio.

Think of it this way, might help. To Jeeps, both geared 4:11, one has 35" tires, one has 29" tires. Bigger tires will turn much lower RPMs. Now transfer this to spool size vs. tires

That is just like the difference in my Curado 300 (6.2:1 28"IPT) and my citica 200 (6.3:1 27"IPT).  Let me see if I understand what you are saying and how it applies.  So my curado has a bigger spool, which spins slower and therefore requires a faster gear ratio.  Am I close?

[B-Dozer]

Takes more line to make one revolution on a larger spool than it does on a smaller spool. Best to look at the IPT than the gear ratio. Very seriously doubt anyone can tell the difference between 28" and 27". I know I couldn't, I'm more of a rod user, than using the reel to pull a fish in. Think about the last time you got hung up in weeds, bet you used the rod to pull, then crank the line in right?

[J Francho]

Its pretty simple.....bigger spool, bigger circumference, more line each turn of the spool.

[Hammer 4]

If you're worried about stripping gears, then you're using the wrong reel.

6.x:1 isn't really a slow reel, in fact you're better off referring to IPT, mentioned above. I personally use a Zillion or TD-X for my frogging. They are 7.1:1, and 6.2:1, respectively. I don't notice any difference in the leverage or torque between the two of them. You're talking maybe 4"/turn difference. But, I use the rod to move the fish, not the reel.

Main things: strong drag, heavy line, aluminum frame, stout rod.

That just about covers it.. 8-)