AbuGarcia-4-Life Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Ok so I fished a tournament last weekend at Seminole and came in 12 out of 21.... In a few weeks we have a tournament at Lake Talquin. At Seminole I missed 2 fish flipping and I don't really have "flipping gear". What I'm getting at is I have a Team Daiwa 7'6 Heavy but it is more like a frog rod so I want to get into this technique. I want a cheaper rod like Veritas or Vendetta or carrot stix wild or Skeet Reese. What should I get for Rod? Line? And baits/terminal:.. Does anyone have a flipping kit to get you started, btw I was looking a PaychCk baits stuff Quote
Super User slonezp Posted March 9, 2011 Super User Posted March 9, 2011 Fenwick HMG Flippinstick will run you $120. I love mine. I have it matched with a Ardent F500 spooled with Samuari braid. Quote
AbuGarcia-4-Life Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 Ok what characteristics do you want to apply when choosing a rod for this technique? Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted March 9, 2011 Super User Posted March 9, 2011 What I want in a flipping rod is a rod with serious power in the butt to move fish out of cover, and a relatively fast tip that will allow me to control what the bait is doing, as well as places casts accurately. Whether you choose MH or H is dependent upon what you find yourself fishing. I fish my H more than MH, I just like the way it moves fish. I also prefer a rod in the 7-6 to 7-11 range in 99% of the flipping I do. There are quite a few rods in the $100-!50 price range: Veritas, Team Daiwa S, Shimano, Duckett, St Croix Mojo. Baits for flipping can range from 1/8 oz jigs to 2 ounce punch rigs. Typically I'm flipping a jig more than anything else. I like a jig with a stout hook and balanced head. Weight of the jig depends on cover and the fall rate you're after. There really isn't a magic formula. In many situations a creature bait is a better option. I really like the Rage baits, Smokin Rooster and Hawg being my best last year. I fish all tungsten weights anymore, from 1/16 to usually 1.5 oz. Hooks, I like the Mustad Flippin hook, as well as the Owner Straight Shank Wide Gap. I don't use EWG hooks uch when flipping, it's a preference thing. I feel like I get better hookups with a traditional hook. That's an overview, I guess... Quote
WanderLust Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Powell makes a mean stick for a great price. I would recommend a beaver bait and a good flippin' hook (I've used gammy and just got a pack of trokars) with a bait keeper. Chigger craw and various other creature baits (flappin hog comes to mind) are extremely popular as well. Don't forget the JJ's magic either. I'm not a master of this by any means but did stay at a holiday inn last night... ;D JK been researchig quite a bit. Quote
BassThumb Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 There's a lightly used Dobyns Champion 766 flipping stick for sale online for $145. That's what I use and I'm very happy with it. I got mine the same way for $150. I'll PM you the sellers email address. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 What do you mean by "missed two fish"? Did they break off, throw the hook... The 7'6" Heavy rod you have should be sufficient. Line, bait, rigging, technique are some area's to look at before throwing money at the situation. Quote
Fishaholic7lbs Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 I have two setups i like... an 8 foot skeet reese rod works great it does what i need it to do.. the other is a 7'6" all star and i like it flippin jigs.. both are under a shimano castaic flippin reel.. Quote
Ima Bass Ninja Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Don't overthink it Rod-heavy power is usually best (any rods heavy action will work brands matters very little). 7'6" is gonna give you the best flipping distance and hooksetting power. (although i use a 6'6" H sometimes just to be extra accurate) Line- braid is probably best. Use a flouro leader if you think visability is a problem Terminal-1/2 oz- 1 oz weights. Tungsten seem to be favorites although i use a 1oz lead bullet for heavy flippin. Quote
AbuGarcia-4-Life Posted March 9, 2011 Author Posted March 9, 2011 What do you mean by "missed two fish"? Did they break off, throw the hook... The 7'6" Heavy rod you have should be sufficient. Line, bait, rigging, technique are some area's to look at before throwing money at the situation. I Snatched one out of the water and he got and the other one swam with my bait I set the hook and it wasn't there. Ok I'm thinking get 7'6" Heavy Fast Vendetta ($50) and put it on my Shimano Citica 100D because it is a free spool reel. Then spend money on 1/2 oz - 1 1/2 oz tungsten weights and paycheck baits hooks and some punch skirts an baits... Oh and 65 pound braid. Is this all I need?? And BTW thanks for all the feedback!! Quote
Fat-G Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Fenwick HMG Flippinstick will run you $120. I love mine. I have it matched with a Ardent F500 spooled with Samuari braid. That's a real nice looking rod. How does it fish? Sensitivity? Balance? Quote
Fat-G Posted March 9, 2011 Posted March 9, 2011 Ok so I fished a tournament last weekend at Seminole and came in 12 out of 21.... In a few weeks we have a tournament at Lake Talquin. At Seminole I missed 2 fish flipping and I don't really have "flipping gear". What I'm getting at is I have a Team Daiwa 7'6 Heavy but it is more like a frog rod so I want to get into this technique. I want a cheaper rod like Veritas or Vendetta or carrot stix wild or Skeet Reese. What should I get for Rod? Line? And baits/terminal:.. Does anyone have a flipping kit to get you started, btw I was looking a PaychCk baits stuff My suggestion: Rod: Veritas 7'6 MH Line: 50-65# braid, Daiwa Samurai, PowerPro, 832, etc. Baits: Beavers, Chigger Craw, Rage Craw, Smokin' Rooster, the list goes on. Paycheck punch skirts and others like that are good. Just like any other bait, they have their time and place. Quote
Super User slonezp Posted March 9, 2011 Super User Posted March 9, 2011 Fenwick HMG Flippinstick will run you $120. I love mine. I have it matched with a Ardent F500 spooled with Samuari braid. That's a real nice looking rod. How does it fish? Sensitivity? Balance? Love the rod. Love the rig. It's actually a few years old. HMG/AV 7'6" heavy fast. The one I have is a 1 piece telescopic out of the handle for easier storage. I think the new one is a solid 1 piece. As far as sensitivity, with the braid, if I have the rod butt resting on my thigh during the retrieve I can feel the jig hitting bottom on my thigh. I'd say thats pretty good. It's balanced well with a light reel also. Plenty of backbone to pull fish out of the slop. The only issue I have is the location/type of hook keeper. It has a small split ring that swivels on a heavy wire that is molded into the rod. Ocassionaly the damp braid will loop under it after the cast is complete. That is my first Fenwick and I actualy just bought 2 Triggersticks this past weekend. A 7' M MF for finesse and a 7' MH F for a frog rod. I think Fenwick makes a great rod for the money. Quote
Super User ww2farmer Posted March 9, 2011 Super User Posted March 9, 2011 What do you mean by "missed two fish"? Did they break off, throw the hook... The 7'6" Heavy rod you have should be sufficient. Line, bait, rigging, technique are some area's to look at before throwing money at the situation. I Snatched one out of the water and he got and the other one swam with my bait I set the hook and it wasn't there. Ok I'm thinking get 7'6" Heavy Fast Vendetta ($50) and put it on my Shimano Citica 100D because it is a free spool reel. Then spend money on 1/2 oz - 1 1/2 oz tungsten weights and paycheck baits hooks and some punch skirts an baits... Oh and 65 pound braid. Is this all I need?? And BTW thanks for all the feedback!! Something tells me the rod is not your problem........but just what could it be, hmmmmmmmm :-X : Quote
A-Rob Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I won't say much on the rods, you got a lot of good advice there. I'd back up the talk on braid (65# is strong, and big enough diameter it doesn't slice up your fingers when drawing line). I snell a straight shank hook (Trokar or VMC for me, but whatever). Big tungsten weight whatever the cover calls for. Bobber-stopper to peg the sinker. Zoom ultra vibe craw on the end of it all for me. Don't forget dude, everyone loses 2 fish sometimes. Don't mortgage your house for it hahaha. Quote
AbuGarcia-4-Life Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Ok so I fished a tournament last weekend at Seminole and came in 12 out of 21.... In a few weeks we have a tournament at Lake Talquin. At Seminole I missed 2 fish flipping and I don't really have "flipping gear". What I'm getting at is I have a Team Daiwa 7'6 Heavy but it is more like a frog rod so I want to get into this technique. I want a cheaper rod like Veritas or Vendetta or carrot stix wild or Skeet Reese. What should I get for Rod? Line? And baits/terminal:.. Does anyone have a flipping kit to get you started, btw I was looking a PaychCk baits stuff My suggestion: Rod: Veritas 7'6 MH Line: 50-65# braid, Daiwa Samurai, PowerPro, 832, etc. Baits: Beavers, Chigger Craw, Rage Craw, Smokin' Rooster, the list goes on. Paycheck punch skirts and others like that are good. Just like any other bait, they have their time and place. Ok I like the Veritas I have a 7ft Heavy and I have actually flipped with it but don't like the tip so I don't think I'm gonna like the Tip on the 7'6" MH. What I need to know is... Is 7'6 long enough or would I be better Off with like an 8 ft Skeet Reese rod? And the other thing is if I went with a lower priced rod but was very strong am I ginnards look back and wish I had bought a $150+ rod? Quote
lynyrdsky1 Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I suggest go Falcon Bucco 7-17 I think? is the right one. It's Heavy action, theres one thats Heavy thats rated 6 and one that is 7. Go with the one that is 7. It's about 110. Or if you're tight on money go BPS Bionic. Quote
Fat-G Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Ok so I fished a tournament last weekend at Seminole and came in 12 out of 21.... In a few weeks we have a tournament at Lake Talquin. At Seminole I missed 2 fish flipping and I don't really have "flipping gear". What I'm getting at is I have a Team Daiwa 7'6 Heavy but it is more like a frog rod so I want to get into this technique. I want a cheaper rod like Veritas or Vendetta or carrot stix wild or Skeet Reese. What should I get for Rod? Line? And baits/terminal:.. Does anyone have a flipping kit to get you started, btw I was looking a PaychCk baits stuff My suggestion: Rod: Veritas 7'6 MH Line: 50-65# braid, Daiwa Samurai, PowerPro, 832, etc. Baits: Beavers, Chigger Craw, Rage Craw, Smokin' Rooster, the list goes on. Paycheck punch skirts and others like that are good. Just like any other bait, they have their time and place. Ok I like the Veritas I have a 7ft Heavy and I have actually flipped with it but don't like the tip so I don't think I'm gonna like the Tip on the 7'6" MH. What I need to know is... Is 7'6 long enough or would I be better Off with like an 8 ft Skeet Reese rod? And the other thing is if I went with a lower priced rod but was very strong am I ginnards look back and wish I had bought a $150+ rod? I wouldn't get the Skeet Reese rod, I've heard they fish like a noodle. 7'6 is plenty long. I would go with the Veritas 7'6 MH/F. I doubt it will be as stiff as your 7' H/F. It should be a very versitile rod as well. Quote
Super User Hooligan Posted March 10, 2011 Super User Posted March 10, 2011 Ok so I fished a tournament last weekend at Seminole and came in 12 out of 21.... In a few weeks we have a tournament at Lake Talquin. At Seminole I missed 2 fish flipping and I don't really have "flipping gear". What I'm getting at is I have a Team Daiwa 7'6 Heavy but it is more like a frog rod so I want to get into this technique. I want a cheaper rod like Veritas or Vendetta or carrot stix wild or Skeet Reese. What should I get for Rod? Line? And baits/terminal:.. Does anyone have a flipping kit to get you started, btw I was looking a PaychCk baits stuff My suggestion: Rod: Veritas 7'6 MH Line: 50-65# braid, Daiwa Samurai, PowerPro, 832, etc. Baits: Beavers, Chigger Craw, Rage Craw, Smokin' Rooster, the list goes on. Paycheck punch skirts and others like that are good. Just like any other bait, they have their time and place. Ok I like the Veritas I have a 7ft Heavy and I have actually flipped with it but don't like the tip so I don't think I'm gonna like the Tip on the 7'6" MH. What I need to know is... Is 7'6 long enough or would I be better Off with like an 8 ft Skeet Reese rod? And the other thing is if I went with a lower priced rod but was very strong am I ginnards look back and wish I had bought a $150+ rod? I wouldn't get the Skeet Reese rod, I've heard they fish like a noodle. 7'6 is plenty long. I would go with the Veritas 7'6 MH/F. I doubt it will be as stiff as your 7' H/F. It should be a very versitile rod as well. That. Quote
Super User Hammer 4 Posted March 11, 2011 Super User Posted March 11, 2011 I've flipped with rods from 7' to 8', my old stand by was a 7'6"..then one day just kinda goofing around, I tied a 3/4oz jig, and trailer on my 8' swimbait rod ( Dobyns 806 Mag), and to my surprise, I liked it better than the 7'6" rod, so length is a personal deal. I also use 55lb Samurai braid. On setting the hook, I make sure to give a quick 1-2 count, keeping my rod tip between 2 and 3 o clock, then swing for the fences.. ;D Quote
AbuGarcia-4-Life Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 I'm trying to see if I can get iRod wholesale cause if I can I'm gonna get a Bub Tosh Punch Rod but for now I'm gonna get cheap reel and Vendetta, Veritas, Veridict, or Skeet Reese Quote
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