Quantum Tour rod with spiral guides?

[central.PA.bass]

any input on this rod?  I just found it interesting when I saw it today..   I was in my local tackle shop and they had a blue Quantum Tour rod.. it was someones signature series.. if forget which angler it was...   but the guides were spiraled or twisted up the length of the rod.. it was a big flippin stick..

So, what is the point of having guides that arent in line?

[Bluebasser86]

I've heard they are supposed to be more sensitive because of the line pulling down on the guide instead of on the tip of the rod like a normal baitcaster. The increased contact with the line on the guides is supposed to reduce line coil as it goes through the guides giving you more control. Or at least that's what the guy I fished a tournament with a few years ago told me .

[MarineMichael]

They've been doing that for years on custom rods.  The benifit is supposed to be that it keeps the line off the rod, and also prevents the rod from wanting to twist under load.

I'm sure someone else can explain it better. 

[central.PA.bass]

hmm.. interesting.. 

[BASSclary]

It eliminates Torsion on the rod when fighting a fish.

In everyday terms, when fighting a fish on bc equipment, because the guides are on top, and the line is pulling on it, the rod naturally wants to roll. Torsion.

But this doesnt happen on spinning rods because the guides are on the bottom, and when the line pulls down their is no wanting of the blank to twist. No torsion.

[central.PA.bass]

It eliminates Torsion on the rod when fighting a fish.

In everyday terms, when fighting a fish on bc equipment, because the guides are on top, and the line is pulling on it, the rod naturally wants to roll. Torsion.

But this doesnt happen on spinning rods because the guides are on the bottom, and when the line pulls down their is no wanting of the blank to twist. No torsion.

That doesn't make sense..  the line is still coming out at the tip, and with guides that spiral up the rod, common sense makes them more likely to want to twist...  i have never felt my rod want to twist when fighting a fish..

i think the guys who posted before you were on the right track.. i think it has more to do with casting and line contact than preventing torsion

[BASSclary]

It eliminates Torsion on the rod when fighting a fish.

In everyday terms, when fighting a fish on bc equipment, because the guides are on top, and the line is pulling on it, the rod naturally wants to roll. Torsion.

But this doesnt happen on spinning rods because the guides are on the bottom, and when the line pulls down their is no wanting of the blank to twist. No torsion.

That doesn't make sense.. the line is still coming out at the tip, and with guides that spiral up the rod, common sense makes them more likely to want to twist... i have never felt my rod want to twist when fighting a fish..

i think the guys who posted before you were on the right track.. i think it has more to do with casting and line contact than preventing torsion

When fighting a fish the line is in contact with all the guides, (Or most of them for that matter). And because the guides are on top of the rod, the line naturally pulls the rod down, and the line will want to turn the rod so it can be as low as possible (Under the rod, like spinning gear). You may not feel it want to rollover when fighting a fish. I dont. But there is Torsion.

Quote : TTcal (Cal, over at Tackle Tour)

"It's well documented that with guide placement on top of the rod as with conventional casting rods, there's a natural tendency for your rod to want to turn over so that the guides are on the bottom when under load. This twisting torque can shorten the life expectancy of your blank. Spiral wrapped guides neutralize this effect by bringing the guides back down to the bottom of the blank and letting you use all your, and the rod's energy in fighting the fish. "

Also yes, like the guy above me said, it does prevent line contact, but he also mentioned what I said.

They've been doing that for years on custom rods.  The benifit is supposed to be that it keeps the line off the rod, and also prevents the rod from wanting to twist under load.

I'm sure someone else can explain it better. 

[Stasher1]

any input on this rod? I just found it interesting when I saw it today.. I was in my local tackle shop and they had a blue Quantum Tour rod.. it was someones signature series.. if forget which angler it was... but the guides were spiraled or twisted up the length of the rod.. it was a big flippin stick..

So, what is the point of having guides that arent in line?

I believe that may be the Tour Edition PT Signature Series - Gary Klein models from about 2007-2008 (or maybe even a bit earlier). I have one of the 6'10" MH KVD spinnerbait models from that same series, and I'm rather fond of it.

They're similar to the regular Tour PT rods, but were a bit more expensive for some reason. They retailed for about $200, IIRC.

[Locked]

Here is an article explaining it some: http://www.westcoastangler.com/articles/spiral_wrapped_rods.php

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

There are several advantages to a spiral (Acid) wrap rod. The torsion aspect is one, but that's more noticeable on a surf or boat rod. A bass rod just sin't subjected to those type loads. Moving the guides to the bottom of the rod allows the line to more easily follow the natural bow of the rod using fewer guides which saves weight. It does keep the line off the rod as well but that's secondary IMO. My first recommendation for custom rods is a spiral wrap.

[central.PA.bass]

why aren't more rods made like this then?

[SharkHat]

why aren't more rods made like this then?

Because change is bad.  People are often afraid of what seems strange and unusual, and mass produced straight guides are proven sellers.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

That's right. Production rods are built for the masses, many of whom are not nearly as concerned with optimum performance as many of us here. The same holds true for guide size and placement, grip design and each of the other components. These limitations in a production rod are the advantages of a custom.

[dave]

why aren't more rods made like this then?

It looks funny

[steezy]

Spiral guides are the bomb, I wish all rod manufactures did this.  I have one custom and it is the best fishing rod I own and one of the biggest reasons is the spiral wrapped guides.

If I was starting to buy a collection of fishing rods today, I would buy all customs and they would all be spiral wrapped.