Super User BASSclary Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 I can get a good look at a steak by sticking my head up a bull's arse, but I would rather take the butcher's word for it.You are the only person recommending fluoro. That doesn't make you "different," it means your not doing it right. :-X Because I recommended fluoro, that means im not doing it right? ;D Funniest thing i've read all day. Yeah. What is funny about you being wrong? When I see Zell Rowland on TV saying that "BR's favorite son" recommended fluoro and it has improved his topwater fishing, then you won't be wrong. Until then, you're wrong. I don't see why its so wrong. Its what I like and what I'll recommend. Because I prefer it has nothing to do with right or wrong. It has improved my fishing. It doesn't have to improve yours. Its called preference, and its what I prefer.
Super User roadwarrior Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 During a seminar, I talked with several of the pros about line preferences for various techniques. Frankly, I thought I was done with mono years ago. Wrong! For topwater and jerkbaits, it's monofilament almost exclusively. Fluorocarbon has a significant effect on topwater baits, dipping their heads in particular. Apparently, this effects jerkbaits as well. Although Yo-Zuri Hybrid floats and has some stretch, I bought some mono for both my topwater and jerkbait rigs. Those pros might know something. 8-)
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 Have fun fishing your poppers underwater.
OHIO Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Have fun fishing your poppers underwater. It kind of depends on how fast he fishes them. If he fishes them fast then I don't think it's that big of a problem, but if he goes slow then it will be. Most people I know don't fish poppers fast though, but that's just me.
Super User J Francho Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 LOL, fluoro for topwaters. Fluoro's density is probably its chief attribute, even higher than invisibility, which I think is bunk. It isn't going to drown a big topwater, but its going to dip in the water, especially for slower, slack line retrieves - think poppers and spook type baits. I know from experience, 20# fluoro will take down a Mattlures Hardgill floater, so it will have an effect on smaller baits that sit low, like a Sammy 100. At any rate, I'd like to know EXACTLY how it improves topwater fishing. What baits, what its doing to the baits, what was happening before..... Because this smells like simple pride.
The Rooster Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 I'm about to find out what's the best line (for me) in topwater fishing since I'm planning to try to make myself learn them this year. Until now the only topwaters I've ever seriously gave any time to is a buzzbait. And to me, a buzzbait's line choice makes no difference since I never let my line touch the water after the initial splashdown of the lure. I begin cranking nearly immediately and from lure to rod tip the line is in the air above the water the whole time (maybe a foot or so of line in the water just in front of the bait.......maybe), even if I'm just slowly cranking it back in just enough to keep it on top. So for that I think I'll just stick with my spinnerbait/jig rod with fluoro on it. It's worked so far. A buzzbait is basically a spinnerbait with a different blade anyway. For other slower topwaters such as a walker or pop-r, prop baits, and floating minnows which I twitch when in use, I'll probably go with Berkley XL or Yozuri Hybrid (been wanting to try that for a long time) and it will be on a spinning rod most likely for ease of casting pop-r's.
Jaheff Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Have fun fishing your poppers underwater. It kind of depends on how fast he fishes them. If he fishes them fast then I don't think it's that big of a problem, but if he goes slow then it will be. Most people I know don't fish poppers fast though, but that's just me. Look out Speedbead, the kids are gonna try and dog pile ya. ;D
OHIO Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 I wasn't disagreeing with him, just giving him something else to think about.
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 LOL, fluoro for topwaters. Fluoro's density is probably its chief attribute, even higher than invisibility, which I think is bunk. It isn't going to drown a big topwater, but its going to dip in the water, especially for slower, slack line retrieves - think poppers and spook type baits. I know from experience, 20# fluoro will take down a Mattlures Hardgill floater, so it will have an effect on smaller baits that sit low, like a Sammy 100.At any rate, I'd like to know EXACTLY how it improves topwater fishing. What baits, what its doing to the baits, what was happening before..... Because this smells like simple pride.
lsbass Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 braid or i go with braid and a mono leader if i need some strech or water is clear.
Super User BASSclary Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 LOL, fluoro for topwaters. Fluoro's density is probably its chief attribute, even higher than invisibility, which I think is bunk. It isn't going to drown a big topwater, but its going to dip in the water, especially for slower, slack line retrieves - think poppers and spook type baits. I know from experience, 20# fluoro will take down a Mattlures Hardgill floater, so it will have an effect on smaller baits that sit low, like a Sammy 100.At any rate, I'd like to know EXACTLY how it improves topwater fishing. What baits, what its doing to the baits, what was happening before..... Because this smells like simple pride. I like lower stretch. I like my bait to sit lower in the water. I dont snag my hooks on the cast as often. From POP-R's to Spooks, to Sammies, to little itty bitty floating bumble bee cranks (If thats considered top-water). Its what I prefer and like.
Super User J Francho Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 Fluoro only has lower stretch when dry.
BadKarma42 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Don't snag your hooks on the cast as often? Please elaborate.
Super User BASSclary Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 Don't snag your hooks on the cast as often?Please elaborate. That was reference to braided lines, and very supple nylon mono. Then I cast sometimes the line gets caught on the lures trebles.
The Rooster Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 In my very limited experience, fluoro stretches as bad or worse than mono.
OHIO Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 BASSclary, do you fish your topwaters fast or slow?
Super User BASSclary Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 Fluoro only has lower stretch when dry. Don't most lines stretch more after absorbing water? <--- That's what i've always thought, I may be wrong though.
BadKarma42 Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Don't snag your hooks on the cast as often?Please elaborate. That was reference to braided lines, and very supple nylon mono. Then I cast sometimes the line gets caught on the lures trebles. Sounds like a casting/technique issue than a line issue.
Super User SPEEDBEAD. Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 BASSclary, do you fish your topwaters fast or slow? That question is moot at this point. He is not going to answer anything other than "fast." An answer other than that will cause nothing short of an interweb collapse...
Super User J Francho Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 I like my bait to sit lower in the water. In other words, not on top? So your not really fishing topwaters anymore. You can try and try and try this one, but I'm sorry, not too many are going to buy this recommendation at all. I could see fluoro workign as a short leader to braid, something I in fact use with BIG topwater baits for northern pike, like 12" of 100# fluoro attached to 50# braid, but as you are describing it, and as a general recommendation for topwaters, mmmmmm no, it doesn't work dude. Sorry iif it seems like we're picking, we're not. I'd hate for some kid in your shoes to spend nearly $20 on a spool of line, only for it to simply not work the way topwaters work for everyone else.
Super User BASSclary Posted January 5, 2011 Super User Posted January 5, 2011 Don't snag your hooks on the cast as often?Please elaborate. That was reference to braided lines, and very supple nylon mono. Then I cast sometimes the line gets caught on the lures trebles. Sounds like a casting/technique issue than a line issue. Its very possible, I do kinda cast a little awkward.
OHIO Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 And do you notice that your bait is not on top? Edit: Why did you delete your post?
The Rooster Posted January 5, 2011 Posted January 5, 2011 Fluoro does sink. So does mono. But its not lead. It's not going to drag you lures under. I've fished frogs and other topwaters on fluoro and NEVER has it pulled a lure down. I think the "sink effect" of fluoro with topwaters is overstated, unless you are using it with with very small topwaters, or using very heavy fluoro. My preferred line for light topwaters is Yo Zuri Hybrid 8# and for heavier topwaters 10#. I'll use 12# for small soft frogs and spinnerbaits, and 15# for large soft frogs and hollow body frogs. Did everyone forget this post from page one?? BASSclary isn't the only one who has used fluoro for topwaters. I have pondered the effects of it on topwater lures too, enough that I decided not to try it for that, but based on this post, I don't think it would just simply "not work".
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