Low Speed Reel Madness

[onion man]

Yeah that calcutta is NICE, but it will empty my wallet pretty bad unless I can find a deal off ebay....

The old citica 201's are nice, and right out of the box they have 25 IPT so I could just get that. The old curado 201B5 also seems good. Nothing fancy, just an old reliable reel. Either one would be good.... The curado B5 I can find for cheaper, but maybe the citica D's are a better reel.

[Chris at Tech]

The REVO winch is a SWEET reel check them out if you get the chance smooth and reliable! :

Pretty sure the make a lefty

X2

This is not the first time Shimano made a reel that I would have tried, had they made them in lefty.  Oh well.

7 Revos later, Abu now gets all my reel money

[SuskyDude]

This might be stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyways.

Why not just get the high speed reel, and reel slower?  :-?

Is there something else I'm missing?

[BASSclary]

This might be stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyways.

Why not just get the high speed reel, and reel slower? :-?

Is there something else I'm missing?

Its more wirk and you'll fatigue faster, with a lower gear ratio you wont fatigue so bad. Atleast from what i've read.

[SuskyDude]

This might be stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyways.

Why not just get the high speed reel, and reel slower? :-?

Is there something else I'm missing?

Its more wirk and you'll fatigue faster, with a lower gear ratio you wont fatigue so bad. Atleast from what i've read.

Its more work to reel slower, than to reel faster?  :-?

Sorry, but that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

[BASSclary]

This might be stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyways.

Why not just get the high speed reel, and reel slower? :-?

Is there something else I'm missing?

Its more wirk and you'll fatigue faster, with a lower gear ratio you wont fatigue so bad. Atleast from what i've read.

Its more work to reel slower, than to reel faster? :-?

Sorry, but that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Im not really sure how to explain it.

[onion man]

Okay, so the deal with having a high speed reel on ALL of your rods for ALL applications is an interesting subject. Rick Clunn, who one 4 bassmaster classics, preaches that it is good for an angler to fish with the same rod/reel all the time so that they don't have to get used to fishing a different reel, which will help their fishing because they will feel more comfortable.

I love Rick Clunn and what he teaches, but I have to disagree. For crankbaits, having a low speed reel is key to controlling the eagerness in an angler and maintaining a steady rate for the lure to run. When you catch a fish and release it, you make another cast. You are so exited to catch another lunker and you reel faster and quicker, offering an unrealistic presentation to the fish. Different ratio reels will control and limit your fatigue and result in a more realistic presention most of the time. High speed reels are great for jigs and spinnerbaits, but when you want cranks, go slow. It is a fast moving lure.

[rubba bubba]

This might be stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyways.

Why not just get the high speed reel, and reel slower? :-?

Is there something else I'm missing?

Its more wirk and you'll fatigue faster, with a lower gear ratio you wont fatigue so bad. Atleast from what i've read.

Its more work to reel slower, than to reel faster? :-?

Sorry, but that makes no sense to me whatsoever.

The premise is that in higher gearing reels, they, of course, have higher torque. This means they are harder to turn than a lower geared reel, resulting in greater/earlier fatigue.

The better explanation is that it is mentally more difficult to reel slower than to reel faster. It takes more mental focus and concentration to reel slower (easier to forget and start reeling at the faster speeds you are used to turning the crank at), and by buying a lower geared reel it helps eliminate that.

i.e. you turning the handle at the same speed you are used to but your bait is running slower.

[Raul]

A couple of models you can consider:

Daiwa Zillion Crazy Cranker

Daiwa Exceler Power Reel

Both are available in lefty model, I might be a Shimano man, but you can have my Daiwas the day I die.

[.RM.]

Okay, so the deal with having a high speed reel on ALL of your rods for ALL applications is an interesting subject. Rick Clunn, who one 4 bassmaster classics, preaches that it is good for an angler to fish with the same rod/reel all the time so that they don't have to get used to fishing a different reel, which will help their fishing because they will feel more comfortable.

I love Rick Clunn and what he teaches, but I have to disagree. For crankbaits, having a low speed reel is key to controlling the eagerness in an angler and maintaining a steady rate for the lure to run. When you catch a fish and release it, you make another cast. You are so exited to catch another lunker and you reel faster and quicker, offering an unrealistic presentation to the fish. Different ratio reels will control and limit your fatigue and result in a more realistic presention most of the time. High speed reels are great for jigs and spinnerbaits, but when you want cranks, go slow. It is a fast moving lure.

In all actuality I think Rick was talking ergonomics, and system weight.

I don't think he was talking same rod and gear ratio for all applications.

He is more old school than that....

Tight Lines!

[onion man]

Okay, that is probably what he meant. Hey does anybody know if the shimano calcutta 101B is good at casting light baits and crankbaits? Seems like a decent reel to me....

[0119]

Susky Dude, you can absolutely use a high speed ratio reel and simply slow down your retrieve.  Especially now with high efficiency gearing, HEG for shimano, there is no need to worry about torque when reeling in deep divers the size you use for bass.  Now if you were trying to drive in a bigger swimbait then it would drain your energy.

[Goose52]

This might be stupid question, but I'm going to ask it anyways.

Why not just get the high speed reel, and reel slower? :-?

Is there something else I'm missing?

Deep diving crankbaits, due to the large diving bills, present quite a bit of resistance on the retrieve. The lower gear ratio reels offer a mechanical advantage that makes it easier to crank the reel. You normally don't burn a deep crank anyway, so the lower speed potential of the low gear ratio is not a limitation. While it's true that you could use a 7.1 reel and just slow down - your wrists may complain about that after cranking DD22s or Manns 20+ or 30+ cranks all day.

If you have ever ridden a multi-speed bicycle (10-speed, 21-speed, etc.) you don't use 10th or 21st to ride up hills do you - you shift down to a lower gear. Same thing with the reels.... :

[SuskyDude]

rubba bubba and Goose52 - thanks for the info.  I crank quite a bit with high speed reels, but never deep diving so I never thought about that.

Sorry if I started a tangent.

[philsoreel]

I've been a die-hard Shimano guy since my brother gave me one on my 11th b-day, but I can't believe they don't make the Citica and Curado in a lefty. That sucks.

They do make the Citica and Curado in lefties, its just that

Curado e7 comes in Right and left

Curado e5 only comes in right

Citica comes in right and left

Yeah, my mistake. I meant low geared lefties. HIA syndrome...

Buying a low geared reel was more beneficial to my crank fishing than any other change I've ever made.

[Goose52]

rubba bubba and Goose52 - thanks for the info. I crank quite a bit with high speed reels, but never deep diving so I never thought about that.

Sorry if I started a tangent.

I'm sorta the opposite, when I think of cranking or hear the term "cranking reel" I sorta assume deep cranking as shallow and medium cranks can indeed be handled by 6.x to low 7.x reels without that much effort. A photo that puts it all in perspective - a Mann's 30+ compared to a Bomber 6A (rated at 6-8ft)

[Guest beowulfx71]

Just buy a used lefty Citica off this site or ebay and change the gears out to the Curados 5.0 gears.

[BassThumb]

rubba bubba and Goose52 - thanks for the info. I crank quite a bit with high speed reels, but never deep diving so I never thought about that.

Sorry if I started a tangent.

SuskyDude, that was a good question with useful answers. You know what they say, "There are no stupid questions..." I personally choose to do what you suggested, as I feel the advantages of a high speed reel outweigh the torque issues.

To the thread starter Onion Man, BASSclary mentioned a good point about taking pics as you take apart a reel if you're unfamiliar with cleaning them. If you replace any gears, I would strongly recommend at least a half dozen close-up pics with a digital camera, and taking the reel apart in front of the computer.

[jdw174]

I received an older green Curado, brand new, in partial trade on a prop I was selling.  Turned out to have a ratio of 3.8:1!  I had no use for that at all, so sent it away and had it converted to the standard 6.3:1.  Cost, including tuneup, came to around $35-40.  Don't see why it can't be done the other way around...

[onion man]

I received an older green Curado, brand new, in partial trade on a prop I was selling. Turned out to have a ratio of 3.8:1! I had no use for that at all, so sent it away and had it converted to the standard 6.3:1. Cost, including tuneup, came to around $35-40. Don't see why it can't be done the other way around...

Wow, how did you send it in? Where did you send it in? Maybe I can send in the newer Curado 201E7 and get them (whoever they are) to change the gears.... The reason I would get the newer Curado over the older on is that it has more bearings, no plastic, and it can cast lighter lures farther.... How can I send it in?

[21farms]

The better explanation is that it is mentally more difficult to reel slower than to reel faster. It takes more mental focus and concentration to reel slower (easier to forget and start reeling at the faster speeds you are used to turning the crank at), and by buying a lower geared reel it helps eliminate that.

yup, i agree completely. i always start out saying that i'll simply turn the handle slower but i keep forgetting. a low-speed reel allows me to crank at a pace i don't have to think about.

[21farms]

Just buy a used lefty Citica off this site or ebay and change the gears out to the Curados 5.0 gears.

sorry but shimano doesn't make lefty 5:1 gears that fit the E-series