Tying leader to braid

[Mike L]

Guy's

I've read the 2 past threads about useing a mono/floro leader for finesse presentations with braid which I do.

On my 2 spinning rods I use [6'6" mhf] I have 20# Power Pro and 20# Floro leader tied with a uni to uni.

2 questions...

*Do you think the floro leader is too thick?

*How many wraps of each do you recommend?

I'm sure they shouldn't be the same, I just want to make sure I'm doing it right.

Thanks

Mike

[CKFishin]

what Knot are you using?

Albright? Alberto? FG?

Nevermind I saw uni to uni....

I use albright to connect the two. I use uni to uni for connecting the braid to my backing in the reel. I am trying to become efficient at the FG knot but it really seems like more work than its worth.

[J Francho]

1. Yes.  Try 8# leader for 20# Power Pro.

2.  Alberto knot....10-12 up, and 10-12 back.

[kLuo]

1. Yes. Try 8# leader for 20# Power Pro.

2. Alberto knot....10-12 up, and 10-12 back.

x2 for the alberto knot

[MNGeorge]

1. Yes. Try 8# leader for 20# Power Pro.

2. Alberto knot....10-12 up, and 10-12 back.

10-12 up, and 10-12 back?????  Seems like a lot of wraps to try to manage, especially on a windy day while trying to stay on the trolling motor.  I use 30# braid w/12# fluoro and join them with uni to uni...4 wraps on the braid, 3 on the fluoro, lots of saliva.  Works great for me.

[Jig Man]

I use 30# Power Pro and have used 8, 10, 12, 15, and 17# mono and fluro leaders.  I only use the Alberto's knot because it hasn't failed and all others have.  I do a 6 wrap both ways (spit, no glue).  5 wraps won't hold and I have never tried more than 6.

[jdw174]

I use 10lb leader on my dropshot and 12lb on the shakeyhead rod, attached to 20lb PowerPro with the uni/uni.  Make 8 wraps with the braid and 5-6 with the leader.

[SoFlaBassAddict]

20lb braid = 6-8 pound leader. Occasionally 12.

30lb braid = 10-14 pound leader.

40lb braid = 14-20 pound leader.

10-15 turn Albright Special

8-10 turn Alberto

Both knots work fantastic. The Albright is a little thinner of a knot. The Alberto is a little shorter. I've never had a problem with breakage on either knot. The Alberto is nothing more than a modified Albright.  The amount of wraps is based upon the thickness of the lines being used.

[J Francho]

1. Yes. Try 8# leader for 20# Power Pro.

2. Alberto knot....10-12 up, and 10-12 back.

10-12 up, and 10-12 back????? Seems like a lot of wraps to try to manage, especially on a windy day while trying to stay on the trolling motor. I use 30# braid w/12# fluoro and join them with uni to uni...4 wraps on the braid, 3 on the fluoro, lots of saliva. Works great for me.

v

Its the same trouble for two wraps as it is 20.

Hold the line like this video, and you're golden:

[SoFlaBassAddict]

Good video, Francho.  Thats the first one I've seen of an Alberto getting tied.  I like the way he held that.  I need to give that a try.

[Mike L]

Thanks Guy's

I've been tying with 6 of the 20# braid and 8 of the 20# floro because I thought it needed it, because the braid was slicker!!!

No wonder the knot get's hung up sometimes!!!!

I'm gonna try that Alberto and get some 10# floro before I go out again.

Thanks Fellas

Merry Christmas to you all.

Mike

[Wayne P.]

I use the uni-uni knot connection for braid with a fluorocarbon leader,

I use 6 turns on both sides and cut the tags ends flush with the knot.

Mainly I use 20# fluorocarbon with 30# and 40# braids.

I only use a smaller fluorocarbon for finesse drop shot and that is 14# and only use that because of the small hook eye with the palomar knot.

For magnum drop shot with big hooks and big baits, I use the 20# fluorocarbon.

[DpDvr]

Great video, I learned to tie a good knot with that. Now how long of a leader should I use for split shotting or drop shotting? Last year, I used 10 to 12 ft and I think that may have been too long.

[MNGeorge]

Thanks, Franco, for the video.  It looks much easier to tie on the video than I envisioned from static drawings of how to tie it.  I will try it a few times over the winter to see if I like it better than the uni to uni. 

[BASSclary]

Great video, I learned to tie a good knot with that. Now how long of a leader should I use for split shotting or drop shotting? Last year, I used 10 to 12 ft and I think that may have been too long.

I've always used the length of my rod for all my leaders.

[SoFlaBassAddict]

Great video, I learned to tie a good knot with that. Now how long of a leader should I use for split shotting or drop shotting? Last year, I used 10 to 12 ft and I think that may have been too long.

Leader length for drop shotting isn't excessively important.  I usually put on roughly a 7-10 foot leader.  My primary drop shot rod is 7'2".  Whats more important is to leave yourself enough of a tag end under the hook so you can adjust your weight accordingly to what the fish want.  It's far easier to start with the DS rig too long than it is to start with it too short.

[BossHoss]

I think the length of my rod is usually a good length.  I do not really like to have the leader knot on the reel spool when I cast if that makes sense, and personally think if you are getting much past a 10 foot leader you are canceling out the benefits of using braid in the first place...And amen to tying that drop shot rig longer at first then walking it in to what the fish like.

[Fish Chris]

1) Maybe a little. I use 30 lb braid (which isn't a whole lot thicker than 20 lb) with 20 fluorocarbon leader all the time.

2) A blood knot. 8-12 wraps on both sides. (8 on heavier lines, 12 on light stuff) Been tying them for years, and they serve me very well. I can't say anything bad about the Alberto, or the uni to uni, as I never used them.

But I do have to say this (as I do every time I post something to do with knots)........

Being able to tie a good knot is obviously very important. But no matter what knot you use it should cinch down relatively easily, clean, pretty, and symmetrical ! If the knot gets cockeyed, or goofy looking, or doesn't seem to want to cinch down easily, or completely, don't even bother giving it the stretch test !!! Hack that sucker and try again !

I tie some great knots ! I also tie some crappy ones ! The thing is, I recognize a bad one every time, retie it immediately, and consequently I NEVER break off fish because of a poor knot.

Peace,

Fish

[Mike L]

Well...

Maybe then my problem with the 20# floro leader is the 8 wraps. And the 6 wraps of the 20# braid useing the uni to uni.

It seems that either you guys use the Alberto knot with the same lb test line I use or fewer wraps with 1/2 the test floro rateing...Hmmmm....

Thanks Guy's

Mike

[MNGeorge]

I've been playing with the Alberto after viewing the video. I can see how it is a strong knot, but go back to my original premise that the uni to uni is much easier to tie. I'm sure with practice my proficiency with the Alberto would improve, but don't see how it will ever be as easy to tie as the uni to uni. Also, the Alberto is definitely a bigger knot than the uni to uni. One thing I do like about the Alberto is the ease with which it draws up and even with no saliva does not appear to damage the fluoro. With the uni to uni, for me anyway, a lot of saliva is mandatory to prevent damage to the fluoro.

[Mike L]

George...

Since you use the uni to uni exclusivly how many wraps of each do you use? and what # floro?

I'm tyring to get a concesses

Thanks

Mike

[MNGeorge]

30# braid, 12# fluoro...4 wraps with the braid, 3 wraps with the fluoro and lots of saliva when you tighten it up.

[Mike L]

Thank's to you all

Merry Christmas from my family to yours

Mike