I wonder if Nanotechnology will ever bring us a Fluoro braid...

[J Francho]

this is only if you believe line visibility makes any difference.i used to think it did but after years of trying to see a relationship between visiblity and numbers of fish caught i see no connnection.some years you just catch more fish than others.

If is doesn't make a difference then why would any tournament angler ever use anything other than a superline, except for in rocks?

Pro's will always use anything they think gives them an advantage. Why? Because they don't have to pay for it. The big difference between them and us is the fact that we have to buy our products which makes us choose more discreetly whether a product actually is giving us more fish, or a better performance,thus justifying the amount of money we have just spent on the product. If an angler really doesn't think that fluoro gives him an advantage over mono then he certainly isn't going to shell out the money for the more expensive line..

Not all tournament anglers are pros, and there are VERY good reasons to use fluorocarbon other than just rocks.

[Lucky Craft Man]

actually for visibility they use flouro.

I think you may have misunderstood what I said...

I agree with this (about using Fluoro for better above surface visibility).  I have Red Braid and Green Braid on a few of my set-ups and I have a hell of a time seeing these lines sometimes when trying to line watch.  As for the Fluoro, I have a much easier time picking it up with my eyes and being able to see the movement in the line.  I don't know if this is a function of the polarized glasses I wear or just what my eyes can see best, but if I am using a line watching technique, Fluoro is what I am using.

[philsoreel]

this is only if you believe line visibility makes any difference.i used to think it did but after years of trying to see a relationship between visiblity and numbers of fish caught i see no connnection.some years you just catch more fish than others.

If is doesn't make a difference then why would any tournament angler ever use anything other than a superline, except for in rocks?

Pro's will always use anything they think gives them an advantage. Why? Because they don't have to pay for it. The big difference between them and us is the fact that we have to buy our products which makes us choose more discreetly whether a product actually is giving us more fish, or a better performance,thus justifying the amount of money we have just spent on the product. If an angler really doesn't think that fluoro gives him an advantage over mono then he certainly isn't going to shell out the money for the more expensive line..

Not all tournament anglers are pros, and there are VERY good reasons to use fluorocarbon other than just rocks.

Let's hear them...

[J Francho]

There's been several posts made, and recently.  I'm not going to spoon feed everything here, but one refers to fluoro's density.  Believe it or not, another is a negative, its stiffness.  Think of how these, and other attributes might be a benefit over other lines.

Start thinking for yourself, and you'll become a better fisherman.

[northern basser]

There's been several posts made, and recently. I'm not going to spoon feed everything here, but one refers to fluoro's density. Believe it or not, another is a negative, its stiffness. Think of how these, and other attributes might be a benefit over other lines.

Start thinking for yourself, and you'll become a better fisherman.

I believe this is a very good point.  Personal experiences with anything tend to be the best learning experiences also.

[philsoreel]

Wasn't asking for advice. I'm simply saying this.

Superlines are....

A. more sensitive

B. smaller diameter

C. stronger

D. stronger knot strength with a Palomar

E. have no stretch for better hooksets

So, for other than abrasion resistance, invisibility is the only other reason to use fluorocarbon.

[J Francho]

Wasn't asking for advice. I'm simply saying this.

Superlines are....

A. more sensitive

B. smaller diameter

C. stronger

D. stronger knot strength with a Palomar

E. have no stretch for better hooksets

So, for other than abrasion resistance, invisibility is the only other reason to use fluorocarbon.

Sounds like you know it all then. Guess you don't drop shot, swimjig, crankbait, ripbait, or swimbait much, huh.

BTW, invisibility is the LAST reason I'd use it for bass fishing.

[philsoreel]

Wasn't asking for advice. I'm simply saying this.

Superlines are....

A. more sensitive

B. smaller diameter

C. stronger

D. stronger knot strength with a Palomar

E. have no stretch for better hooksets

So, for other than abrasion resistance, invisibility is the only other reason to use fluorocarbon.

Sounds like you know it all then. Guess you don't drop shot, swimjig, crankbait, ripbait, or swimbait much, huh.

BTW, invisibility is the LAST reason I'd use it for bass fishing.

Don't get your panties in a wad man we are discussing fishing.

We can debate all day about this but it would be pointless. I am basing those points off of what I read on here(and other forums) from other people's opinions and my own also. I am also basing it on the fact that everytime I hear a pro say something about FC they always say something about invisibility. When I see something said about adding a leader to braid about 90% of the time the person says they do it for line shy fish.

No, I don't know it all and neither do you.

[J Francho]

I don't wear panties......

LOL, you probably need to take more of what you read on the internet, and try it in real life, on a lake.

Anyone ever try a Hopkins Shorty Spoon on braid?  I bet that's fun.

[Lucky Craft Man]

I used to use braid all the time, but from experience on the water, I have migrated to Fluorocarbon for 80% of the techniques I fish.  Main reasons I use fluorocarbon:

- It Sinks (which I like for jerkbaits, crankbaits, senkos, jigs, weighted plastics, swimbaits, and any finesse technique)

- I can see it better above the water over braid (this comes in handy for line watching techniques, like Senkos, plastics, & jigs)

- I like having a little stiffness in the line (especially for jigging spoons where braid will foul up on your spoon after every jerk).

- I like having a little stretch (when setting the hook at close quarters with a stout rod, I like having a little give in the system, which will come through the line)

- Has great abrasion resistance (Fluorocarbon tippet is hard to beat for fly fishing)

- I find it to be plenty sensitive enough (especially if you have a nice sensitive rod you are using it on).

- Supposed to be less visible underwater (as others have mentioned, this is down on the list as to why I use Fluoro, but in theory, it is supposed to be an advantage)

All I seem to use braid for nowadays is frogs and drop shotting (and for drop shot fishing, I use a long fluorocarbon leader).

Disclaimer: All the above information is based upon my experience and preference.  This in no way is an absolute endorsement or recommendation.

[philsoreel]

I don't wear panties......

LOL, you probably need to take more of what you read on the internet, and try it in real life, on a lake.

Anyone ever try a Hopkins Shorty Spoon on braid? I bet that's fun.[/quote

Ok, you win. If it weren't for you guys I'd be fishing Beetle Spins on a Zebco Spincast combo. I've learned nothing in the 19 years I've been fishing. I'm an inferior angler and will never question your opinion again. My opinion is moot.

[Glenn]

I use co-polymer and braid, and am quite pleased with the results. But I kept hearing about the fluoro "benefits", so I tried it once on a baitcaster.  The line kept snapping during the casts.  So I wadded it up and threw it away.

End of experiment.

[philsoreel]

I use co-polymer and braid, and am quite pleased with the results. But I kept hearing about the fluoro "benefits", so I tried it once on a baitcaster. The line kept snapping during the casts. So I wadded it up and threw it away.

End of experiment.

What brand?

[trevor]

I use co-polymer and braid, and am quite pleased with the results. But I kept hearing about the fluoro "benefits", so I tried it once on a baitcaster. The line kept snapping during the casts. So I wadded it up and threw it away.

End of experiment.

[J Francho]

I don't wear panties......

LOL, you probably need to take more of what you read on the internet, and try it in real life, on a lake.

Anyone ever try a Hopkins Shorty Spoon on braid? I bet that's fun.[/quote

Ok, you win. If it weren't for you guys I'd be fishing Beetle Spins on a Zebco Spincast combo. I've learned nothing in the 19 years I've been fishing. I'm an inferior angler and will never question your opinion again. My opinion is moot.

Phil, your forming an opinion that is admittedly not based on real experience. You in fact tried to use what "pros say" to bolster your argument. I am telling you real first hand experience. The fish in my avatar was caught on straight 4# fluorocarbon. It is one of a great many caught similarly using a drop shot system that was been refined over the course of many hours on the water. I didn't choose fluoro because its invisible nor its abrasion resistance. I chose it because it sinks, and in 38 feet of water, keeping a straight line between the tip and the hook is important to detect light bites. Braid fails here. If you tighten the line, the bait moves too much, and you have to use a heavier weight. Some days, fish don't hold the bait if they detect more than a 1/4 oz of weight.

Glenn, what brand were you using? $1 says it was Vanish, LOL. I have very good results with 10 an 12# Berkley 100%.

[Ima Bass Ninja]

Wasn't asking for advice. I'm simply saying this.

Superlines are....

A. more sensitive

B. smaller diameter

C. stronger

D. stronger knot strength with a Palomar

E. have no stretch for better hooksets

So, for other than abrasion resistance, invisibility is the only other reason to use fluorocarbon.

All of these are facts when comparing braid vs. fluoro, however it does not mean that braid is more desirable than fluoro.

A lot of people choose to use fluoro over braid because of the reasons LCM pointed out not just because its low visabilty below the surface

[Lucky Craft Man]

It amazes me how so many people have so many different experiences. I personally love Fluorocarbon (as for the reasons I mentioned above), but some just have not had any luck with it. Of course there is no right or wrong, but the varying opinions are very drastic. I guess that's how life is.

[philsoreel]

I don't wear panties......

LOL, you probably need to take more of what you read on the internet, and try it in real life, on a lake.

Anyone ever try a Hopkins Shorty Spoon on braid? I bet that's fun.[/quote

Ok, you win. If it weren't for you guys I'd be fishing Beetle Spins on a Zebco Spincast combo. I've learned nothing in the 19 years I've been fishing. I'm an inferior angler and will never question your opinion again. My opinion is moot.

Phil, your forming an opinion that is admittedly not based on real experience. You in fact tried to use what "pros say" to bolster your argument. I am telling you real first hand experience. The fish in my avatar was caught on straight 4# fluorocarbon. It is one of a great many caught similarly using a drop shot system that was been refined over the course of many hours on the water. I didn't choose fluoro because its invisible nor its abrasion resistance. I chose it because it sinks, and in 38 feet of water, keeping a straight line between the tip and the hook is important to detect light bites. Braid fails here. If you tighten the line, the bait moves too much, and you have to use a heavier weight. Some days, fish don't hold the bait if they detect more than a 1/4 oz of weight.

Glenn, what brand were you using? $1 says it was Vanish, LOL. I have very good results with 10 an 12# Berkley 100%.

  Ok, so those characteristics make FC preferable for dropshotting. Why didn't you just say that to begin with?

Everything I listed about Braid vs. FC is still true.

It is more sensitive.

It has a smaller diameter.(size to strength comparison)

It has a stronger knot strength with a Palomar.

It has no stretch giving it a better hook set.

No matter how I answer you are going to totally misconstrue what I say because that's all you've done so far. I did say some things that I should have worded differently but geez. I'm done with this and don't worry I won't be sharing anymore of my thoughts that are out of the norm. I learned my lesson.

[J Francho]

LOL, total drama and nonsense.  Reread the entire thread, and see who's misconstrued what.

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[philsoreel]

I also failed to mention that I use FC all the time. I just wish I could use braid instead but still maintain the invisibility.

[philsoreel]

LOL, total drama and nonsense. Reread the entire thread, and see who's misconstrued what.

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Ain't that the truth...sorry I get a little worked up sometimes and run my mouth too much.

[Glenn]

It was Seaguar.

[Carrington]

haha this thread is funny and shows how people get so defensive over the littlest of things.

[B-Dozer]

haha this thread is funny and shows how people get so defensive over the littlest of things.

Don't ever say that at the post office

[philsoreel]

Forget the rules and limitations this is conjecture, thinking out loud and in no way meant as a comeback or an attempt to score a point in Carrington's Forum Fighting League...

All I was trying to say, that got lost in my trying to defend each and every tiny detail (which was stupid because this is all hypothetical), was this...if there were a line that had all the benefits of braid and fluorocarbon, outside of a few techniques, it would be the only line IMHO we would need. If you wanted it to sink, they can make it sink. If you wanted some stretch in your line(Sufix Stretch Braid), you could have it. If you needed surface visibility, you could have it. I wasn't saying that FC wasn't needed, hell it's on all but 3 of my reels, but I wish it had the strength, sensitivity, diameter, and no stretch that braid has.

   What John said about me basing my theory on other people's experience was right in a way, just not the way he was saying it was. THAT WAS MY FAULT. I think more people believe in the need for less visible line than don't. I've formed that opinion based on other people's answers/responses on here, other forums, and the people I know personally. I also believe it to be true(most of the time outside of the spawn) from my own experimentation. I don't watch a whole lot of fishing tv but I swear that is the only thing I've ever heard pros say about fluorocarbon.