Braid making a weird sound??

[Captain Obvious]

Ok so I just put 50lb braid on a brand new rod and reel set up.

Just so you know its an Basspro PQ reel and All Star ARS 7'6" heavy rod

But it feels like the braid is coming though the guides a little rough making a screeching sound like a bass was ripping off line.

It is spiderwire braid so Its not low quality stuff.

I checked the guides and they seem to be fine.

What is going on? Do I need to put some line conditioner on there or is this normal with dry braid? Will it get fixed when it gets wet?

[RussBert]

Welcome to braided line. Daiwa's Samurai braid is the quietest, and arguably the best braid available.

Spiderwire braid is at the bottom of the totem pole  :-/

[SoFlaBassAddict]

Happens with all braid.  It will lessen as you use it more, but it will always make some noise.  It's just the nature of braid.  Stuff is rough, thats why it can saw through grass, and your fingers if you're not careful.

[OHIO]

Spiderwire may be the worst braid you can buy.

I have learned this through experience.

Switch to some Power Pro. It's similar in price and way better quality wise.

[I.rar]

Stuff is rough, thats why it can saw through grass, and your fingers if you're not careful.

yup! it didnt take me long to figure out to wrap the line around pliers when pulling a snag.

i use power pro and it was also noisy when i first spooled up. now thats its been fished , its more limp , less noisy and less colored.

[Captain Obvious]

Sounds like I just got some bad line, which is funny because I have used 6lb spider wire and loved it. Oh well guess I got duped by the marketing.

But it looks like I'll be making the switch to power pro for the heavy stuff.

I glad to hear that the sound is normal though. I figured that it was but it never hurts to check first.

Thanks guys

[WanderLust]

Fireline is pretty quiet as well. Power Pro and Spiderwire can be quite noisey.

I switched to Daiwa though and for most applications I will not be going back.

[philsoreel]

Spiderwire feels alot rougher than other dyneemas to me. I'm not a fan of dyneema. Dyneemas-Fireline, Spiderwire etc. PowerPro is a vast upgrade in quality over Spiderwire but also makes noise. Also like others said, Daiwa Samurai is probably the smoothest and quietest. This comes at an alarming price. A price I find unnecessary. PowerPro is sufficient to me. Sufix Performance Braid is another fan-favorite in the same price category.

You just have to find what you like. I hate Fireline, you may love it...

[philsoreel]

Spiderwire does make a rather high pitched noise when loaded. I remember it now....weird.

[Shane J]

I don't think you're going to like Power Pro, either. Go right for the best (Samurai), and you won't have any complaints, and you'll never go back.

[GTrombly]

They're all going to make some noise but its gets better when it breaks in a bit.

[WanderLust]

I don't think you're going to like Power Pro, either. Go right for the best (Samurai), and you won't have any complaints, and you'll never go back.

Samurai is awesome; only thing on both baitcasters now. If you are into punching mats and salad fishing I would recommend something stiffer.

The TT review of premium braid's is right on the money IMO.

[wisconsin heat]

has anyone tried the new suffix 832? that stuff is supposed to be the shiznit... it did win icast best line....

http://www.***.com/icast10.html?ccode=SUF832

[WanderLust]

has anyone tried the new suffix 832? that stuff is supposed to be the shiznit... it did win icast best line....

http://www.***.com/icast10.html?ccode=SUF832

There's another long thread about that line. I'm not a huge suffix fan although performance braid is good heavy cover line...

That transoptic stuff won iCAST the year before and its trash IMO.

[Wayne P.]

philsoreal, have you ever heard of Spectra Fibers that Spiderwire and Power Pro are made of?

Spectra and Dyneema are the two modern fibers that superlines are made of. Most of the very flexible superlines are made of Spectra. The stiffer superlines are made of Dyneema and the fused (not braided) superlines are made of Dyneema.

Power Pro and Spiderwire have the course weave construction with 4 stands in the weave and that couseness causes the noise in the rod guides. The newer issues of braids have more strands in the weave, are softer and less course so they are not as noisy in the rod guides. The older Suffix is in the same class as Power Pro and Spiderwire.

The newer Y6 Suffix is Dyneema and an in-between line as far as smoothness.

The newer higher 8 strand count weaves like Daiwa Samura, Dawia Saltiga, Fireline Braid, and Suffix 832 will be quieter.

The Daiwa braids are more honest in the lable strength rating so to equal the actual breaking strength of other superlines, you need to use a higher pound test rated Daiwa.

The best way to judge the line strength comparisions is to go by the line diameter.

An example is Daiwa Samurai 40# is 8# mono equivelent diameter and Spiderwire or Power Pro 30# is 8# mono equivelent diameter.

The mfg cost of making the higher thread count weaves is why the newer lines cost more--they are worth it.

You choices are (cheap and outdated) or (more costly and new).

[Hammer 4]

Well done Wayne....I like the 55lb samuri, and the cost isn't bad when you consider how long it last's. 

[Shane J]

That's what I'm sayin', Hammer. Plus, how enjoyable it is to use. I'd actually pay more for it.

[OHIO]

What kind of Spiderwire was it?

Was it the Stealth?

[Captain Obvious]

OHIO I'm not sure. Doesn't matter though next time I'm getting some of these brands that were suggested here.

I will still use spider wire for lighter test line but not for heavy stuff.

[Wayne P.]

Stealth is not noisy. It has a coating on it that makes it stiff.

It performs well on baitcasting equipment and is easier to get untangled when the dreaded "semi-professional overrun" occurs. It is my choice in 50# for spinnerbaits, buzzbaits, and Chatterbaits.

[OHIO]

Stealth is not noisy. It has a coating on it that makes it stiff.

It performs well on baitcasting equipment and is easier to get untangled when the dreaded "semi-professional overrun" occurs. It is my choice in 50# for spinnerbaits, buzzbaits, and Chatterbaits.

Stealth is actually a pretty good braid, unlike the EZ Spiderwire.

It is very manageable and makes no noise.

If the Spiderwire was making noise it was probably the EZ braid. That stuff is horrible. 

I would give the Stealth a try, it's great braid for the price.

[Chaz Hickcox]

Welcome to braided line. Daiwa's Samurai braid is the quietest, and arguably the best braid available.

Spiderwire braid is at the bottom of the totem pole :-/

Spiderwire is all I've used since power pro deemed itself useless. My quantum reels are still good too. You should get over your overpriced stuff and go for what works.

In other words bottom of the totem pole is your opinion, not a fact. Unless you're a conformist.

As far as spiderwire goes its some of the quietest braid you can get.  Power pro will act like a band saw on your stuff, too much ribbing on it.  Suffix is ok but my partner has a lot of casting issues with it.  But then again some people swear by power pro. Bottom line, yes the grinding sound is normal, nothing you can do about it.  Find what you like and learn it.  They all have their weaknesses.

[Redlinerobert]

Welcome to braided line. Daiwa's Samurai braid is the quietest, and arguably the best braid available.

Spiderwire braid is at the bottom of the totem pole :-/

Spiderwire is all I've used since power pro deemed itself useless. My quantum reels are still good too. You should get over your overpriced stuff and go for what works.

In other words bottom of the totem pole is your opinion, not a fact. Unless you're a conformist.

As far as spiderwire goes its some of the quietest braid you can get. Power pro will act like a band saw on your stuff, too much ribbing on it. Suffix is ok but my partner has a lot of casting issues with it. But then again some people swear by power pro. Bottom line, yes the grinding sound is normal, nothing you can do about it. Find what you like and learn it. They all have their weaknesses.

I 2nd the sentiment on Spider Wire not being all that great.  Maybe not the worst, but pretty close.   Some of the quietest you can get?  That sounds like an opinion to me....

The grinding sound is not normal with the higher grade lines.  They are 8 strands woven together, where other lines are 6.  The 8 strand lines are more uniform, causeing less of that grinding noise.

You should check out the Samurai.  I'm pretty confident you'll like it.  Lots. 

[wmiketo]

philsoreal, have you ever heard of Spectra Fibers that Spiderwire and Power Pro are made of?

Spectra and Dyneema are the two modern fibers that superlines are made of. Most of the very flexible superlines are made of Spectra. The stiffer superlines are made of Dyneema and the fused (not braided) superlines are made of Dyneema.

Power Pro and Spiderwire have the course weave construction with 4 stands in the weave and that couseness causes the noise in the rod guides. The newer issues of braids have more strands in the weave, are softer and less course so they are not as noisy in the rod guides. The older Suffix is in the same class as Power Pro and Spiderwire.

The newer Y6 Suffix is Dyneema and an in-between line as far as smoothness.

The newer higher 8 strand count weaves like Daiwa Samura, Dawia Saltiga, Fireline Braid, and Suffix 832 will be quieter.

The Daiwa braids are more honest in the lable strength rating so to equal the actual breaking strength of other superlines, you need to use a higher pound test rated Daiwa.

The best way to judge the line strength comparisions is to go by the line diameter.

An example is Daiwa Samurai 40# is 8# mono equivelent diameter and Spiderwire or Power Pro 30# is 8# mono equivelent diameter.

The mfg cost of making the higher thread count weaves is why the newer lines cost more--they are worth it.

You choices are (cheap and outdated) or (more costly and new).

Actually Spectra (Honeywell) and Dyneema (DSM) are brand names for gel spun Ultra High Molecular Weight Polyethylene fiber.  Their properties are essentially the same.  Whether a line is labeled Spectra or Dyneema depends on who the line manufacturer buys the fiber from. Any difference in line performance will depend on how the line is made not which brand of fiber is used.

[scrutch]

philsoreal, have you ever heard of Spectra Fibers that Spiderwire and Power Pro are made of?

Spectra and Dyneema are the two modern fibers that superlines are made of. Most of the very flexible superlines are made of Spectra. The stiffer superlines are made of Dyneema and the fused (not braided) superlines are made of Dyneema.

Power Pro and Spiderwire have the course weave construction with 4 stands in the weave and that couseness causes the noise in the rod guides. The newer issues of braids have more strands in the weave, are softer and less course so they are not as noisy in the rod guides. The older Suffix is in the same class as Power Pro and Spiderwire.

The newer Y6 Suffix is Dyneema and an in-between line as far as smoothness.

The newer higher 8 strand count weaves like Daiwa Samura, Dawia Saltiga, Fireline Braid, and Suffix 832 will be quieter.

The Daiwa braids are more honest in the lable strength rating so to equal the actual breaking strength of other superlines, you need to use a higher pound test rated Daiwa.

The best way to judge the line strength comparisions is to go by the line diameter.

An example is Daiwa Samurai 40# is 8# mono equivelent diameter and Spiderwire or Power Pro 30# is 8# mono equivelent diameter.

The mfg cost of making the higher thread count weaves is why the newer lines cost more--they are worth it.

You choices are (cheap and outdated) or (more costly and new).

Great post Wayne.  Thank you.