Frogs with mono?

[Micro]

You certainly didn't hurt my feelings. But I do somewhat resent having what I say labeled as "bad advice." I'll get over it, though.

As far as bad advice, I've been a victim of it, too. Yo-Zuri, however, is one recommendation I've tried, and liked well enough to stick with, even to the exclusion of other lines.

It's all a matter of preferences. You want to fish braid and suggest that your experience is compelling enough that everyone else should abandon what works for them, okay. I disagree with you. I've fished frogs for many years, too. Before I knew what braid was I fished them on mono very successfully. Braid has given me no more added success than using Yo-Zuri, but has been a bigger pain in the *** in heavy cover.

So, the original poster can do one of two things: he can only fish braid because someone says its best under all circumstances. Or he can assess the conditions in which he fishes and try a couple of solutions until he finds what he likes best.

[K_Mac]

My feelings were hurt to the point I may have to seek therapy. ;D

This discussion illustrates one of the main reasons I like this site. When people behave like adults, we can exchange ideas and have lively debate about what the best is. When that is the goal everybody wins. Thanks guys.

[TourPT]

I prefer braid but if you look up the guy that actually started the frog crazy during tournaments years ago "Alfred Williams" I believe his name is, all he used was mono.

Years ago, braid wasn't nearly as available as it is today. Lots of people several years ago were hesitant to make the switch over.

This is true. I was just answering the question of yes you can. Personally I would not use anything but braid for frog fishing, but you can use Mono and Williams was actually pretty dang good at doing so in that time.

[tyrius.]

You can use whatever you want and have fun doing it. Mono is not the ideal choice for frog fishing, but it works. I grew up fishing frogs over pond moss with a 6' ML Ugly Stick spinning rod with 8lb mono. Had a freaking blast doing it too. Could I have caught more fish with a stout baitcaster and braid sure, but I fished with what was available to me. I didn't have the money for multiple rods nor did I even know any better. I do know that it worked for me for years and I caught a LOT of fish on that setup and I mainly fished weightless power worms (yep, with an ugly stick).

I still fish frogs on mono (12 lb). I only have 2 baitcast setups, one MH Fast action and one M moderate action (can't carry 10 combos around the pond). Still love fishing too .

If you can afford to have multiple setups all rigged idealy for each situation (and have the room for them), then buy a technique specific frog rod, a high speed reel, and spool it with heavy braid. If you can't, tie the lure on to whatever you have and sling it out there. You'll enjoy it either way.

[David P]

I guess the bigger joke is the fact that a mod removed my most recent post. Considering it was there to smooth things over and better explain myself, and to apologize if I hurt anyone... Not sure why that was deleted and not my first post, would have been much more fitting.

I guess anytime YoZuri gets bashed it's grounds for banning.

[K_Mac]

David I don't bash YZ, I just won't buy it again. I have it spooled on three of my BC and two spinning rigs. I bought it and some P-Line CXX early this year to try. I will buy P-Line in the future. It is much more manageable IMO. Some hate it. I guess that is why there are hundreds of different lines out there.

I appreciate your input. I don't have to agree with you every time, but I will pay attention to what you say.

[David P]

David I don't bash YZ, I just won't buy it again. I have it spooled on three of my BC and two spinning rigs. I bought it and some P-Line CXX early this year to try. I will buy P-Line in the future. It is much more manageable IMO. Some hate it. I guess that is why there are hundreds of different lines out there.

I appreciate your input. I don't have to agree with you every time, but I will pay attention to what you say.

I can't stand YoZuri. My last post that I made the longer onen was removed by a mod, and for no other reason then what I can believe is because I said I didn't like  YoZuri. I sure didn't say anything bad in the post. Oh well. I use P-Line, I completely agree that's it's a better line.

[Hammer 4]

As a user of Yozuri, I'm curious why you both don't like it..I use 6,8,10,12,15, and 20lb ultrasoft, and in the last year or so, I'n only had 1 problem, and I believe that to be a bad batch.

I'd like to hear your comments.

[DTack]

I hate braid.  I really do, I hate the way it sounds going through the guides, hate how it casts, hate how it feels on the reel. 

That being said, I use it for frogs.  To me it's not worth the fish that I lose on mono or other types of line.  With a frog for me, the absolute no stretch is a plus.  I also use it when punching heavy cover, aside from that I can hardly stand it. 

You CAN use mono, although I would not recommend using it at all whatsoever, you will lose fish because of it versus braid and that's just the way it is.  I have a stubborn old man who has done his fair share of bass fishing and turned him to braid after he saw how many more fish I hooked and put in the boat on a frog than him using 15-25lb mono. 

Yo-zuri hybrid was ok line until I used it for 2 trips.  This was in winter and I put it back in my garage after use.  Went out my next trip and it was so coiled I couldn't believe it.  This was 10 lb test, I have a buddy who uses the 6 and likes it but for me there are a lot of other lines out there that handle much much better.  It is inexpensive but to re-spool so often does not justify it for me.

Hope you catch a big one on a frog, it sure is fun!

[K_Mac]

As a user of Yozuri, I'm curious why you both don't like it..I use 6,8,10,12,15, and 20lb ultrasoft, and in the last year or so, I'n only had 1 problem, and I believe that to be a bad batch.

I'd like to hear your comments.

I have tried several different lines over the years, but always ended up using Trilene XL. It had been a long time since I had tried anything else. While XL is great casting it has little abrasion resistance. Based on recommendations from many on this site, I decided to give YZ and CXX a try. I bought 600 yd spools of YZ Hybrid in 6, 12, and 15#; CXX in 12 an 15#. I applied KVD Line and Lure as instructed on all line after spooling. I continue to apply it regularly.

I am using the 6# YZ on my spinning rigs. With care I don't have too much trouble with it. I do like the strength of it, but when my wife and other less experienced fishermen have used it manageability is a real issue.

In direct comparison on BC set-ups the CXX is more manageable, abrasion resistant, and easier to get a perfect knot. My wife wanted to know what was wrong with the line on her reels when I spooled with YZ. When I re-spooled with CXX all was right again.

Hammer 4 I know many love YZ. I don't based on my experience. I don't like hate braid. Some use it exclusively. When it comes to fishing, we all have to find what works best. Best is a very subjective idea. I'm just trying to enjoy the journey.8-)

[David P]

I don't like it because.. The line feels much more visible, it has higher stretch, and I don't feel as though I have the same sensitivity I get with fluorocarbons. I just think fluorocarbon is a better option and can help get a few extra bites out of finicky fish.

[Hammer 4]

Fair enough...K Mac, were/are you using the straight hybrid, or the ultrasoft..? I find the ultrasoft to be Much better with regards to memory.

David..I have breaking issues with all the fluro's I've used. I see no decline in catching fish compared to using yozuri.

Everyone has different needs, those are mine.

[K_Mac]

Regular Hybrid. I have not used the Ultrasoft.

[David P]

Fair enough...K Mac, were/are you using the straight hybrid, or the ultrasoft..? I find the ultrasoft to be Much better with regards to memory.

David..I have breaking issues with all the fluro's I've used. I see no decline in catching fish compared to using yozuri.

Everyone has different needs, those are mine.

Curious to know what sizes and brands you've used? Some much better then others.

[BrimfieldBass]

Don't do it. There's no reason to. Your chances of landing a fish on a frog with braid goes up ten fold compared to mono. Your not gonna land nearly as many fish especially on a long cast. Stack the deck in your favor and use braid.

I agree 100%....yes mono will work..but the purpose of a frog is to fish in the salad..drag across the pads and weeds.....with braid the stuff works like a hedge trimmer cutting the pads...I tried braid with a flouro leader and I hooked into a hog..the flouro broke from the weeds horseing it in..it was 12 # test flouro also...now with the braid..I can get them in even with a head full of weeds...

Al

[Hammer 4]

David, I've tried the following..

Vanish in 10 and 12lb..to much memory for me.

Trilene 100% in 8, 10 and 12..All 3 sizes had very little abrasion resistance. I lost lures with all of those.

Seaguar 6 and 8 lb in the InvisX, and 10 and 12 lb in the AbrazX..Lost 3 good bass on the 6 lb in about 2 hrs. at a lake, and some spots I have caught bass before with yozuri, and never have been broken off.

As for the 8, 10 and 12, all of them have very little abrasion resistance when fished around rocks, again had breaking issues that I never had with yozuri ultrasoft. I just don't feel that I was catching more fish with the fluro to warrant losing fish, and lures on a regular basis.

BTW, none of the breaks were at the knot, all of my rods were checked for any type of nicks, or cracks in the guides, they all checked out.

[Nice_Bass]

He's saying these things because he wants to help people catch fish.

Why are you worrying about getting a frog wrapped in a tree? I don't understand why you would sacrifice your chances hooking and landing fish just so your lure doesn't hang up a couple times during the day. I would much rather get hung up a few times then lose a good fish because I couldn't penetrate the fishes mouth with the hooks. Why even try to get the bite in the first place when your odds of landing the fish are greatly decreased because your not using the right tackle. Your setting yourself up disappointment. I'm all for experimentation with fishing. Its a great way to come up with new ideas, but there are some things that just plain work the best and should not be done another way. I'm sure that 99% of the pros that fish for a living fish frogs on braid. There's a reason for that. Like I said earlier stack the deck in your favor when your fishing there's no reason to take risks unless you like the feeling of losing fish.

Like David said with this site so many people give poor advice because they've done something one way and it worked ONE time. Just because it worked one time doesn't mean its the best way to do it especially when it comes to your tackle.

I'm not worried about losing a lure. But I'd prefer not to. The grove in that picture owns a significant number of my lures, and the principal portion were lost on braid. I post it as an example of one of the types of environment I fish and specifically where I think a stount mono, co-poly or fluoro has an advantage over braid. Mono, co-poly and fluoro, from experience, is less prone to getting hung up in this type of stuff, either on an errant cast or after a fish is on and moves the line into it. They are also more abrasion resistant than braids.

As stated previously, there are conditions under which I think braid has an advantage. Under other circumstances, I think mono, co-poly and fluoro has an advantage. On open water, on top of expansive grass mats, where I can get long casts, I like braid. In tighter areas with lots of hard cover, or very heavy vegetation above the water line I like a heavy mono, co-poly or fluoro.

You like braid.  So be it.  I happen to think braid is one of the most over-hyped products ever perpetrated on the weak minds of product-drunk fishermen.  I like it just well enough to have it occassionally spooled on 1 out of 27 fishing outfits I have.  2 others are spooled with fluoro, and 24 are spooled with various tests of Yo-Zuri Hybrid.  I've frog-fished Yo-Zuri in preference to braid on my lakes for years now.  I've landed many fish using it and have rarely felt that I was at any disadvantage because I was not using braid.

X100

I have landed 7# fish in the nasty stuff wiht mono and frog- I have caught 45" musky in weeds, 50# flatheads off of bridge pilings...all this on 12# mono- braid works some of the time.  A joke in our area is if we want a rope in the water, we can toss the anchor.

If you fish for money, which i sometimes do, I use braid, if i fish for fun,...well, make it fun, use a line that will allow that.   

[SJB1226]

I guess the bigger joke is the fact that a mod removed my most recent post. Considering it was there to smooth things over and better explain myself, and to apologize if I hurt anyone... Not sure why that was deleted and not my first post, would have been much more fitting.

I guess anytime YoZuri gets bashed it's grounds for banning.

Lmao yeah for real man.. dont ever say you buy something use it and resell if you dont like it... or you will be told you cant use the flea market because you are a dealer...lol somethings on this site.