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I plan on doing some frog fishing in open water and on the edges of lily pads. So my question is, can i use mono when i am in open water?

Thanks,

Adam

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Sure u can, the fish in my signature pic was caught on 6# Cajun mono on a spinning reel setup. She put up a good fight but I got her in and it wasn't in open water.

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Don't do it. There's no reason to. Your chances of landing a fish on a frog with braid goes up ten fold compared to mono.  Your not gonna land nearly as many fish especially on a long cast. Stack the deck in your favor and use braid.

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Don't do it. There's no reason to. Your chances of landing a fish on a frog with braid goes up ten fold compared to mono. Your not gonna land nearly as many fish especially on a long cast. Stack the deck in your favor and use braid.

Totally agree, I think you should use braid for all bottom contact lures too.

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Sure you can. I use Yo-Zuri co-polymer for about everything & don't have a problem. Sometimes I have to go get the fish if it gets wrapped up in the pads. If you are using a 5 or 6 power rod and a 7:1to 1 or better reel  it does not happen often. ;)

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some people do it and have success...i didn't i hated fishing frogs on mono....just had too many come unbuttoned after a short fight.  braid works so much better for me.

but if you are not really going to be throwing them through the really thick stuff you my try a buzz bait or another type of topwater and you will be fine using mono if you do not want to use braid or tie up a rod specifically for frogging w/ braid

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Frog hooks are usually a heavy wire and with that heavy wire is a large barb. That is a lot of resistance to penetration with any line. A larger diameter mono will work with some success on a short cast, but your chances of landing even a few with less than 17#-20# due to stretch is minimal.

The problem is not whether lesser line can handle the fish, it's if you can keep it hooked up and/or extracted from any cover.

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Frog hooks are usually a heavy wire and with that heavy wire is a large barb. That is a lot of resistance to penetration with any line. A larger diameter mono will work with some success on a short cast, but your chances of landing even a few with less than 17#-20# due to stretch is minimal.

The problem is not whether lesser line can handle the fish, it's if you can keep it hooked up and/or extracted from any cover.[/quote]

Perfectly said.

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On short casts it will work...on long casts its like fishing a rubber band and so much stretch you wont hook up even close to as much as you would if you used braid... theres no way I could fish mono frog frog fishing... I hate mono after fishing super premium braid (Daiwa braid) and premium FC lines (Sunline Shooter and sniper) mono just dont feel right... with all the stretch it lets fish get down in the pads and on a cast over 60 feet setting the hook is hard... why do you want to use mono anyhow? power pro and sufix are cheap... I would deal with FC sinking before I would fish mono with frogs... with braid your strike to land ratio will be 60% or more better using braid.

Mono while fishing buzz toads is ok but I still use braid for buzz toads.

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wouldnt risk it. you need everything in your favor especially when every hit could be your PB. froggin requires a serious hook set, and long rods and braided line together move a bunch of line on a hookset. like dude said, mono is like a rubberband, especially if you get bit 35+ yards away. and fishing on the edges of cover still gives them a chance to dive into that cover once theyre hooked up. bass, especially around pads, have this trick where they pass the hook off to the pith of a pad stem, still have no idea how they do it but you gotta be able to hoist that mama outta that stuff quickly....not happening with mono

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I wax and wane among mono, co-poly and braided lines.

Using a heavy mono, like 17 lb + test, the "too much stretch" issue isn't so much of an issue. Using a heavy, very fast rod helps.

I'm currently using 50lb Sufix braid on my frog rig. I like the line on open water and weed mats, but it is a pain in the *** around very heavy standing cover. Braid is much limper, and hangs up in nooks and crannies mono doesn't find. And when braid finds those nooks and crannies, it saws into it. I find myself cutting into water lilies and other standing vegetation that mono slips over. Many of the problems people think they will defeat with braid are created by it.

A really good co-poly, like Yo-Zuri Hybrid, has less stretch than pure mono while retaining its slippery and less-limp attributes. Of all the lines I've tried, Yo-Zuri Hybrid is my favorite frog line.

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This is an absolute joke. How do guys seriously feel good about giving such bad advice? I see some crazy things posted on here, but c'mon guys. I can't tell if this is a joke, or if you guys are serious.

Frogs with mono? Can you? yes. Should you? Absolutely not.

  Why give the fish any chance at all? You always hear about guys talking about "the one that got away", but it's because guys are giving the fish a chance!

   

  Just because you catch one, or a handful on mono, doesn't mean it's the best way to fish a frog, and I'm sure you've missed way more then you would have with braid. There's no reason not to use braid with frogs...

  Get a solid hookset, use braid.

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This is an absolute joke.

Come on, man.  Why do you assume your expereinces or preferences must be everyone elses?

Braid is fine and has some advantages.  Hook sets at long distances are easier.  But braid gets tangeld easier and cuts into stuff co-poly doesn't, creating problems you don't get with co-poly.  Throwing frogs on braid on grass mats and into cat tails - fine.  Pitching a frog behind a tree like this is going to end up as a effort in frustration with braid.  That stuff sinks into every nook and cranny on a tree, and cuts into floating islands of pickerel weed when a fish pulls down on the bait on the other side.  And at shorter distances, low stretch lines like fluoro or co-poly provide for just as many hooksets as with braid.

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Come on, man. Why do you assume your expereinces or preferences must be everyone elses?

He's saying these things because he wants to help people catch fish.

Why are you worrying about getting a frog wrapped in a tree? I don't understand why you would sacrifice your chances hooking and landing fish just so your lure doesn't hang up a couple times during the day. I would much rather get hung up a few times then lose a good fish because I couldn't penetrate the fishes mouth with the hooks. Why even try to get the bite in the first place when your odds of landing the fish are greatly decreased because your not using the right tackle. Your setting yourself up disappointment. I'm all for experimentation with fishing. Its a great way to come up with new ideas, but there are some things that just plain work the best and should not be done another way. I'm sure that 99% of the pros that fish for a living fish frogs on braid. There's a reason for that. Like I said earlier stack the deck in your favor when your fishing there's no reason to take risks unless you like the feeling of losing fish.

Like David said with this site so many people give poor advice because they've done something one way and it worked ONE time. Just because it worked one time doesn't mean its the best way to do it especially when it comes to your tackle.

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I made one of the comments about "Sure you can" and true it worked once and I was successful in bringing the fish in "that time". I wouldn't want to try to land fish on a frog with mono on a regular basis and after catching that one added 30# Power Pro to the extra spool for the next time I try a frog.

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One of the great things about this site is there are many great fishermen willing to offer their advice. When it comes to frogs it is clear from this thread that many, if not most of them prefer braid, and make a compelling case for it. Although David P's post is a little insulting for those of us who detest braid, he is one of the guys who make this site the best on the Internet.

15# P-Line CXX is what I use for frogs. If I had a dedicated frog rod I might use braid. I don't and would rather miss a few fish than deal with braided line. Can you fish frogs with something other than braid? Absolutely. Should you? You decide...

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I prefer braid but if you look up the guy that actually started the frog crazy during tournaments years ago "Alfred Williams" I believe his name is, all he used was mono. 

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Like David said with this site so many people give poor advice because they've done something one way and it worked ONE time. Just because it worked one time doesn't mean its the best way to do it especially when it comes to your tackle.

Wow you 2 must be experts & your way is the only way. I have been fishing many years, before there was mono. I have caught many of fish on a frog. The question was can you catch a fish in open water on a Frog using mono? Yes you can. As you can read people do it differently that does not mean that they are wrong or lose many fish, It means they do it differently. What this has done for the person asking the question is to give him/her idea's to try & come up with they like best. ;)

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If you're in sparse cover, sure you can use mono.  Is it the smartest choice?  No, not really.  Braid gets you that solid hookset that you just cannot get with mono.  Before I made the jump to the superlines, I was a strickly mono only angler.  There is a gross difference in the amount of fish hooked and landed with braid over mono.

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I prefer braid but if you look up the guy that actually started the frog crazy during tournaments years ago "Alfred Williams" I believe his name is, all he used was mono.

Years ago, braid wasn't nearly as available as it is today.  Lots of people several years ago were hesitant to make the switch over.

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I fished frogs for a very long time with 20lb mono in grass and had no problem.  I do now use 30lb braid just to try something different.  Mono took the guess work out of the "magic pause" before setting the hook.

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Micro, name some "low stretch" fluorocarbon and co-poly lines and what that "low stretch" is compared to that determines that it is low stretch.

For a co-poly, Yo-Zuri Hybrid is significantly lower stretch than Trilene XL/XT.  So is Trilene Professional fluoro.   Are you suggesting they are not?

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He's saying these things because he wants to help people catch fish.

Why are you worrying about getting a frog wrapped in a tree? I don't understand why you would sacrifice your chances hooking and landing fish just so your lure doesn't hang up a couple times during the day. I would much rather get hung up a few times then lose a good fish because I couldn't penetrate the fishes mouth with the hooks. Why even try to get the bite in the first place when your odds of landing the fish are greatly decreased because your not using the right tackle. Your setting yourself up disappointment. I'm all for experimentation with fishing. Its a great way to come up with new ideas, but there are some things that just plain work the best and should not be done another way. I'm sure that 99% of the pros that fish for a living fish frogs on braid. There's a reason for that. Like I said earlier stack the deck in your favor when your fishing there's no reason to take risks unless you like the feeling of losing fish.

Like David said with this site so many people give poor advice because they've done something one way and it worked ONE time. Just because it worked one time doesn't mean its the best way to do it especially when it comes to your tackle.

I'm not worried about losing a lure. But I'd prefer not to. The grove in that picture owns a significant number of my lures, and the principal portion were lost on braid. I post it as an example of one of the types of environment I fish and specifically where I think a stount mono, co-poly or fluoro has an advantage over braid. Mono, co-poly and fluoro, from experience, is less prone to getting hung up in this type of stuff, either on an errant cast or after a fish is on and moves the line into it. They are also more abrasion resistant than braids.

As stated previously, there are conditions under which I think braid has an advantage. Under other circumstances, I think mono, co-poly and fluoro has an advantage. On open water, on top of expansive grass mats, where I can get long casts, I like braid. In tighter areas with lots of hard cover, or very heavy vegetation above the water line I like a heavy mono, co-poly or fluoro.

You like braid.  So be it. I happen to think braid is one of the most over-hyped products ever perpetrated on the weak minds of product-drunk fishermen. I like it just well enough to have it occassionally spooled on 1 out of 27 fishing outfits I have. 2 others are spooled with fluoro, and 24 are spooled with various tests of Yo-Zuri Hybrid. I've frog-fished Yo-Zuri in preference to braid on my lakes for years now. I've landed many fish using it and have rarely felt that I was at any disadvantage because I was not using braid.

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