Incheon Basser Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 St. Croix 5C70HF-B blank = $195 retail = $101~ distributor = $78 oem wholesale oem manufacturing cost 15$ the look on the anglers face who paid 600$ for a 15$ blank pricless
Incheon Basser Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 St. Croix 5C70HF-B blank = $195 retail = $101~ distributor = $78 oem wholesale That's a heck of a lot more than $15! why are you so offended by the fact blanks cost little to make? the whole point of production is to lower the cost. Think about it Dobyns and many other companies have a replacement rod fee. of 60... I would bet my last dollar that's the cost they are buying those rods for from the OEM. So how much does a Champion Cost? The people who sell the graphite to the OEM gotta make a 200% profit then the guys that spin the blanks gotta make a 200 % profit then they guys who build the rod gotta make a 200% profit then the guy who sells the rod has to make a 200% profit then the retailer and so on until it leaves the store and then it goes backwards
Super User Dan: Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 I just don't believe that a high end blank costs that little to make.
Incheon Basser Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 I just don't believe that a high end blank costs that little to make. It's just graphite not gold friend the stuff is cheap I just found a site that says they sell a ton of Graphite for $2,500 and it costs them 15$ per ton in expenses now that's just the mark up on the commodity it's self
Super User skunked_again Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 I just don't believe that a high end blank costs that little to make. It's just graphite not gold friend the stuff is cheap id love for one poster to be able to confirm that price.
Incheon Basser Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 I just don't believe that a high end blank costs that little to make. It's just graphite not gold friend the stuff is cheap id love for one poster to be able to confirm that price. So your calling me a liar then. would you like to see a confidential Invoice from a manufacture in order to belive it? don't think anyone could come up with that. think about it. A 600$ rod has a 15$ blank well a 100$ rod probably has a $2.50 blank so your 600$ is still 6x the cost of a 100$ rod Believe it or not it's true
L a r r y Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 This post is quite interesting. Does it take a TOP of the line rod to catch fish? No it doesn't. Does a TOP end rod feel better in the users hand, YES (to some extent) What we all want is to get on the water, wet the line and try our best to figure out what it takes to get these fish to bite. What one holds in their hand is not important. I've said it before, you can take a broom stick, a shoe lace and a paper clip and with the right presentation, you can catch fish. Hell look at the post PAUL made about catching a fish with a piece of a shoestring and he hauled in a nice size bass. Now take it, that was just a reference, that it is not all about the equipment and what it costs. The post made earlier from the individual who makes rods, I know he doesn't want to reveal what it costs him to build rods, because it would cut into his liveliehood, but the markup on ALL products produced is astronomical. AG was able to produce a rod with decent quality and feels pretty good in some peoples hands. Is it a $1000 rod NO, it is a moderately priced rod that has gotten the attention of the industry.
Super User Dan: Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 I just don't believe that a high end blank costs that little to make. It's just graphite not gold friend the stuff is cheap id love for one poster to be able to confirm that price. So your calling me a liar then. would you like to see a confidential Invoice from a manufacture in order to belive it? don't think anyone could come up with that. think about it. A 600$ rod has a 15$ blank well a 100$ rod probably has a $2.50 blank so your 600$ is still 6x the cost of a 100$ rod Believe it or not it's true I don't think you are a liar. I just think you are mistaken.
Super User skunked_again Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 I just don't believe that a high end blank costs that little to make. It's just graphite not gold friend the stuff is cheap id love for one poster to be able to confirm that price. So your calling me a liar then. would you like to see a confidential Invoice from a manufacture in order to belive it? don't think anyone could come up with that. think about it. A 600$ rod has a 15$ blank well a 100$ rod probably has a $2.50 blank so your 600$ is still 6x the cost of a 100$ rod Believe it or not it's true I don't think you are a liar. I just think you are mistaken. x2 you would think by now i would be smart enough to stay out of these threads.
Incheon Basser Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 I just don't believe that a high end blank costs that little to make. It's just graphite not gold friend the stuff is cheap id love for one poster to be able to confirm that price. So your calling me a liar then. would you like to see a confidential Invoice from a manufacture in order to belive it? don't think anyone could come up with that. think about it. A 600$ rod has a 15$ blank well a 100$ rod probably has a $2.50 blank so your 600$ is still 6x the cost of a 100$ rod Believe it or not it's true I don't think you are a liar. I just think you are mistaken. x2 you would think by now i would be smart enough to stay out of these threads. well thanks for not calling me a liar .... but I'm not mistaken either. take it or leave it that's up to you
Super User Dan: Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 Yeah, I'm leaving it. Nothing against you, I just don't think that's accurate. If I find out I'm wrong, I'll send you $15 to buy yourself a new blank. ;D
Captain Obvious Posted June 7, 2010 Author Posted June 7, 2010 WOW!!!! This is almost better than Newanglers post about not having luck with RT baits. ;D When I stared this thread I really was only doing it because I thought it kinda funny that the vendetta had matched a higher end rod in a review. I'm just not so sure if I'm happy being the guy who fired the first shot in this war.
b.Lee Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Yeah do we even remember what the argument was about. I think we went on enough tangents in this thread.
Super User South FLA Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 Have any of you guys checked out the Ugly Stick Agility, that rod can out catch most if not all anglers on this board in the right persons hands, Skeet, Ike, Clunn, etc... To each his own, want to by a $1000 Megabass or a $80 Vendetta then go ahead, but too many other factors influence what makes a rod better than another, from line to application to angler holding it. I feel a Good Night Irene coming ;D
LilJakeC1 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 WOW!!!!This is almost better than Newanglers post about not having luck with RT baits. ;D When I stared this thread I really was only doing it because I thought it kinda funny that the vendetta had matched a higher end rod in a review. I'm just not so sure if I'm happy being the guy who fired the first shot in this war. Well your sig. of "you want the truth, you can't handle the truth" seems to be in effect in this thread. what a coincidence
Captain Obvious Posted June 7, 2010 Author Posted June 7, 2010 Yeah do we even remember what the argument was about. I think we went on enough tangents in this thread. That's just it there never was an argument. ;D I was only reporting what I saw on TT.com I feel a Good Night Irene coming I hope not, I mean I know that there has been some fighting. : But over all I found this thread very educational and entertaining. I'd hate to have it end on a bad note :'(
0119 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 For what its worth Capt. I think you are right asuming they evaluated both rods the same. Especially since the evaluations were both entitled "The One Series" a continuing saga searching for 'the one'.
Super User Dan: Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 For what its worth Capt. I think you are right asuming they evaluated both rods the same. Especially since the evaluations were both entitled "The One Series" a continuing saga searching for 'the one'. If you asked the TT guys, I think they would tell you that the Vendetta is not in the same league as the Cumulus.
b.Lee Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 For what its worth Capt. I think you are right asuming they evaluated both rods the same. Especially since the evaluations were both entitled "The One Series" a continuing saga searching for 'the one'. If you asked the TT guys, I think they would tell you that the Vendetta is not in the same league as the Cumulus. I think that is very true Dan, why not just ask them.
0119 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Why? Their opinion means as little or as much as anyone here. But their forums do keep a much more civilized demeanor.....
Super User Dan: Posted June 7, 2010 Super User Posted June 7, 2010 Why? Their opinion means as little or as much as anyone here. But their forums do keep a much more civilized demeanor..... To determine if "they evaluated both rods the same"
Captain Obvious Posted June 7, 2010 Author Posted June 7, 2010 I think that is very true Dan, why not just ask them. One problem guys, the reviews where done by different guys. Cal did the Cumulus JIP did the vendetta
Pantera61 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Vendetta fish, this morning, 21", 5 lb 3 oz LMB, 6'3" Vendetta, Revo Elite, Daiwa 16lb Floater line.
steezy Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 That fish looks a bit small for 5#, it probably would have been larger if caught on a Cumulus rod. 8-)
rayrock99 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Cumulus fish 6lb 1oz. 6'5 Cumulus/paired with Shimano Core50MG 8lb InvisX flouro. This combo weighs just 8.275 ounces!!!!
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