Captain Obvious Posted June 4, 2010 Author Posted June 4, 2010 The $90 (5.1 oz) rod is totally blown away by the $450 (3.8 oz) Ok I have a hard time believing that 2 oz make's such a big difference in a fishing rod. And for that matter did you realize that the Vendetta VTC69-6 weighs only .3 oz more than G.Loomis MBR783C GLX. These reviews are done with price in mind. Price does play a part in the reviews but all rods are tested against a base rod which is usely a G.Loomis GLX Like I said I'm not saying that the Vendetta can out fish a Steez, GLX, or Cumulus. I just found it impressive that a $79 rod got Higher reviews than a $300 rod Capt.O
Bigs Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 This thread is entertaining to say the least. How can anyone even mention vendetta in the same sentence as cumulus , steez or loomis glx ? I own a 7'mh vendetta spinning rod and it isnt all that great. It is stout tho but very very heavy and unbalanced which makes it feel even heavier. I got lucky and only paid 40 bux shipped for it tho and it was new so I cant complain, I let my fiancee and guests use it. If you are on a budget I can think of better rods for around a hundred bux.
Captain Obvious Posted June 4, 2010 Author Posted June 4, 2010 very very heavy You must not fish a GLX because those are also very very heavy
RussBert Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 Will a $300 rod catch more fish than an $80 rod? This is a serious question. Is the performance of the top-of-the line pricey rods (Shimano, Steez, Loomis, St Croix, etc) so advanced that it will help any angler catch more? I have a Quantum Superlite M/MF ($229), a Crucial ($150) A Compre ($100) and three SCII blanked St Croix's ($70 to $100) and a couple BPS Xtreme rods. I don't catch more with one rod or the other? Heck, I really like the Compre line of rods! Are high end rods & reels more of a trophy to the owners, who can brag they have "The Best" or are there hard facts that the expensive gear catches them more fish?
Super User BrianinMD Posted June 4, 2010 Super User Posted June 4, 2010 Love my Vendetta but I can't believe there are equal to a 300 dollar rod. I have heard from others the baitcast line is a whole lot better then the spinning rods.
Pantera61 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 This thread is entertaining to say the least. How can anyone even mention vendetta in the same sentence as cumulus , steez or loomis glx ? I own a 7'mh vendetta spinning rod and it isnt all that great. It is stout tho but very very heavy and unbalanced which makes it feel even heavier. I got lucky and only paid 40 bux shipped for it tho and it was new so I cant complain, I let my fiancee and guests use it. If you are on a budget I can think of better rods for around a hundred bux. quoting from Cal, TackleTour, link below: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwacompx.html "Sensitivity: This is where I really expected this rod to shine. It flat out feels like a stick that is pre-tensioned to deliver the ultimate in sensitivity. In actual fishing applications, I was, in fact, disappointed. It is a sensitive rod, do not get me wrong. In fact, I find it on par with my BCR893 GLX and even my Megabass F5 1/2 68XFti SB Diablo - both very good jig sticks. But with the way this rod feels in hand, I was expecting to be blown away, especially when fishing a jig, and I wasn't. Bottom composition is fairly easy to discern with this rod, but where I was hoping for extra-feedback was in actual strike detection. While fishing the jig, I still encountered a fair number of pressure bites which lead me to the conclusion this rod is no more sensitive than the other two I mentioned above. Perhaps I was just expecting too much." Now, for my experience regarding the Steez Compile X sensitivity: I was fishing a small, club tournament on a lake with good clarity. I was able to see a bass take the jig and not detect the bite. No once but multiple times. The Vendetta 6'9" casting rod, on the other hand, delivered crisp detection of both fish and bottom structure. You can take your $300 or $400 or $559 rod and YOUR PRIDE, wear the price tag on your sleeve and feel real good about it or you can try something new, that performs beyond it's price point. There's still a difference between the real enthusiast and custom made stuff but the gap is narrowing. The Vendetta rods could use a bit of refinement. I'm using the 6'9" ML and it's not a Megabass or Evergreen rod but it holds it's own.
Super User KYntucky Warmouth Posted June 4, 2010 Super User Posted June 4, 2010 d**n, I bought a spinning rod thinking it would be decent. Well hopefully it will suit my needs. Mainl dropshot and light lures. They are decent rods, it just feels like Abu spent alot less time in development with them than the casting rods.
Captain Obvious Posted June 4, 2010 Author Posted June 4, 2010 I personal think that super lines have really changed the rod market. When mono was the main line I think there was a major difference between high dollar rods and those in the mid-price rang.
fathom Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 put a $79 price tag on the glx and a $350 price tag on the vendetta. see how that review works out.
Pantera61 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 put a $79 price tag on the glx and a $350 price tag on the vendetta. see how that review works out. nothing like deliberately missing the point or tossing red herring into chowder. While you're swapping the price tags, why don't you swap the components while you're at it? See how that goes.
steezy Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 This thread is entertaining to say the least. How can anyone even mention vendetta in the same sentence as cumulus , steez or loomis glx ? I own a 7'mh vendetta spinning rod and it isnt all that great. It is stout tho but very very heavy and unbalanced which makes it feel even heavier. I got lucky and only paid 40 bux shipped for it tho and it was new so I cant complain, I let my fiancee and guests use it. If you are on a budget I can think of better rods for around a hundred bux. quoting from Cal, TackleTour, link below: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwacompx.html "Sensitivity: This is where I really expected this rod to shine. It flat out feels like a stick that is pre-tensioned to deliver the ultimate in sensitivity. In actual fishing applications, I was, in fact, disappointed. It is a sensitive rod, do not get me wrong. In fact, I find it on par with my BCR893 GLX and even my Megabass F5 1/2 68XFti SB Diablo - both very good jig sticks. But with the way this rod feels in hand, I was expecting to be blown away, especially when fishing a jig, and I wasn't. Bottom composition is fairly easy to discern with this rod, but where I was hoping for extra-feedback was in actual strike detection. While fishing the jig, I still encountered a fair number of pressure bites which lead me to the conclusion this rod is no more sensitive than the other two I mentioned above. Perhaps I was just expecting too much." Now, for my experience regarding the Steez Compile X sensitivity: I was fishing a small, club tournament on a lake with good clarity. I was able to see a bass take the jig and not detect the bite. No once but multiple times. The Vendetta 6'9" casting rod, on the other hand, delivered crisp detection of both fish and bottom structure. You can take your $300 or $400 or $559 rod and YOUR PRIDE, wear the price tag on your sleeve and feel real good about it or you can try something new, that performs beyond it's price point. There's still a difference between the real enthusiast and custom made stuff but the gap is narrowing. The Vendetta rods could use a bit of refinement. I'm using the 6'9" ML and it's not a Megabass or Evergreen rod but it holds it's own. I also use the 7'1" compileX rod for jigs and apparently we must be using different compileX rods cause mine is very sensitive. I can feel the bottom contour so well I could draw it on a canvas. Im not knocking the Vendetta rods they catch fish and thats all that matters but to me they are not better than my Steez or Loomis GLX rods and price is not the determining factor in my opinion of the rods.
Pantera61 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 This thread is entertaining to say the least. How can anyone even mention vendetta in the same sentence as cumulus , steez or loomis glx ? I own a 7'mh vendetta spinning rod and it isnt all that great. It is stout tho but very very heavy and unbalanced which makes it feel even heavier. I got lucky and only paid 40 bux shipped for it tho and it was new so I cant complain, I let my fiancee and guests use it. If you are on a budget I can think of better rods for around a hundred bux. quoting from Cal, TackleTour, link below: http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwacompx.html "Sensitivity: This is where I really expected this rod to shine. It flat out feels like a stick that is pre-tensioned to deliver the ultimate in sensitivity. In actual fishing applications, I was, in fact, disappointed. It is a sensitive rod, do not get me wrong. In fact, I find it on par with my BCR893 GLX and even my Megabass F5 1/2 68XFti SB Diablo - both very good jig sticks. But with the way this rod feels in hand, I was expecting to be blown away, especially when fishing a jig, and I wasn't. Bottom composition is fairly easy to discern with this rod, but where I was hoping for extra-feedback was in actual strike detection. While fishing the jig, I still encountered a fair number of pressure bites which lead me to the conclusion this rod is no more sensitive than the other two I mentioned above. Perhaps I was just expecting too much." Now, for my experience regarding the Steez Compile X sensitivity: I was fishing a small, club tournament on a lake with good clarity. I was able to see a bass take the jig and not detect the bite. No once but multiple times. The Vendetta 6'9" casting rod, on the other hand, delivered crisp detection of both fish and bottom structure. You can take your $300 or $400 or $559 rod and YOUR PRIDE, wear the price tag on your sleeve and feel real good about it or you can try something new, that performs beyond it's price point. There's still a difference between the real enthusiast and custom made stuff but the gap is narrowing. The Vendetta rods could use a bit of refinement. I'm using the 6'9" ML and it's not a Megabass or Evergreen rod but it holds it's own. I also use the 7'1" compileX rod for jigs and apparently we must be using different compileX rods cause mine is very sensitive. I can feel the bottom contour so well I could draw it on a canvas. Im not knocking the Vendetta rods they catch fish and thats all that matters but to me they are not better than my Steez or Loomis GLX rods and price is not the determining factor in my opinion of the rods. Could I have had a bum rod? Anything is possible but I can only go by my personal experience and not rely on second hand reports or conjecture. I had the 6'3" Steez casting rod as well, used it for topwaters and shallow cranks, the 6'3" Vendetta performs as well FOR THOSE APPLICATIONS. I have some high dollar rods and I would be the first to say withdraw pricing from tackle comparisons. A rod or reel for that matter, should be judged on it's on merit.
rubba bubba Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 The Reel Wars were starting to peter out, fortunately we have some sweet Rod Wars action to help us out in the interim. Carry on.
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted June 4, 2010 BassResource.com Administrator Posted June 4, 2010 My rod's better than your rod! There. I said it. It's out there. ;D
Captain Obvious Posted June 4, 2010 Author Posted June 4, 2010 What I find that is funny is that what started out as Vendetta vs. Cumulus has turned in to Vendetta vs. Steez,GLX, and Cumulus Also I don't know why guys with the expensive stuff have attacked this thread like this. Might just be me but it seems they are trying to defend spending so much on rods when they know they could have got the same product for hundreds cheaper
Pantera61 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 What I find that is funny is that what started out as Vendetta vs. Cumulus has turned in to Vendetta vs. Steez,GLX, and CumulusAlso I don't know why guys with the expensive stuff have attacked this thread like this. Might just be me but it seems they are trying to defend spending so much on rods when they know they could have got the same product for hundreds cheaper Quick background, if I may. I've been using JDM rods for probably 7 years now, Megabass, Evergreen and Daiwa (Japan Versions). Last year, I got tired of worrying about stuff walking away during tournaments, stuff being kicked overboard or broken so I picked up the Vendetta 6'9" casting model. I liked it so much I picked up the 6'3" caster, than the 7' med moderate, then the 6'9" spinning and the 7'6" heavy flippin. For about $350 I have a great set of rods that I can take anywhere I use any way I see fit without a second thought. I wouldn't use them in tournaments if they were garbage, that's insanity. The gap between great equipment and excellent is narrowing.
Super User J Francho Posted June 4, 2010 Super User Posted June 4, 2010 The gap between great equipment and excellent is narrowing. That was my EXACT thought after spending some time with my buddy's two 7' Vendettas, I think one was a mf, and the other a mhf.
Diablos Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 The gap between great equipment and excellent is narrowing. That was my EXACT thought after spending some time with my buddy's two 7' Vendettas, I think one was a mf, and the other a mhf. I totally agree about the price gap narrowing. I haven't spent over $200 for a rod since my GLX a few years ago and don't feel one bit jealous of any $300+ rod. I do own Vendettas and enjoy using them and if you ask me at $79 they are a great price. What's even more unbelievable is the fact they cost dealers like Bass Pro and TW $37 wholesale according to the 2010 Henry's master wholesale catalog.
SJB1226 Posted June 4, 2010 Posted June 4, 2010 TT is not comparing a 400 dollar rod to a 80 dollar rod in its score the reviews are with price point in mind. like others have said if you put a vendetta in the 300+ price point it would score as poor. dont for one second tell me that you can pick up your vendetta and then my Ever Green Black raven and tell me the vendetta is even in the same ball park... because simply said it isnt... I have 3 Black ravens and paid between 830 and 920 for the rods... and would buy them again even at 200 dollars more because they are that amazing! the vendetta is probably a fine maybe very fine 80 dollar rod and it may very well compete with and be a better over all rod then any other 80-120 dollar class rod out there IDK ive never touched one... but it cant compete with a rod in the 200+ dollar point... there is a LARGE difference in rod prices and for a reason in 99% of rods you get what you pay for... like i said the vendetta may be a stellar rod at 80 bucks and my steez rods are stellar rods at the 380-650 price points... is really is people not understand the reviews are with price in mind.
Captain Obvious Posted June 4, 2010 Author Posted June 4, 2010 if you put a vendetta in the 300+ price point it would score as poor We know that they consider price point. But for their lab test they test it against a base line rod and the MBR783C GLX2000 retails for around $325 First stop for our VTC69-6 was the lab and an appointment with the RoD WRACK where we discovered this stick's RoD value is almost spot on with our TSFO baseline rod, the MBR783C GLX2000! TT.comSo as you can see at least in the lab the Vendetta was tested at a $300 price point.
Jake. Posted June 5, 2010 Posted June 5, 2010 First stop for our VTC69-6 was the lab and an appointment with the RoD WRACK where we discovered this stick's RoD value is almost spot on with our TSFO baseline rod, the MBR783C GLX2000! TT.comSo as you can see at least in the lab the Vendetta was tested at a $300 price point. This doesn't make sense. You can test two products that are in completely different price ranges on the same machinery, but that doesn't mean that the cheaper product is tested with the same preconceived notions as the more expensive one.
fathom Posted June 5, 2010 Posted June 5, 2010 put a $79 price tag on the glx and a $350 price tag on the vendetta. see how that review works out. nothing like deliberately missing the point or tossing red herring into chowder. While you're swapping the price tags, why don't you swap the components while you're at it? See how that goes. actually, it is the only point. one man's trash is always another man's treasure...as i wouldn't put much faith in one man's erstwhile assessment of a subjective value, neither would i place much faith in another man's interpretation of that value...as the o.p. suggests. as far as the original vendetta/cumulus...personally, i don't see either in my future.
Simp Posted June 5, 2010 Posted June 5, 2010 Went into a local tackle shop today with every intention of walking out with a Vendetta spinning rod for my dad. The poor guys been using a 20$ dicks special for his shacky heads! Anyway I went over to the rods and held the Vendetta in my hand but noticed they had some mojo's on sale for 75$. So I picked it up and compared the two. Both were 7ft meduim fast action. I was surprised that the so called top heavy mojo was flat out lighter and alot better balanced then the vendetta. So I walked out with a Mojo and plan to give it to him as a early fathers day gift tomorrow at KY lake.
Pantera61 Posted June 5, 2010 Posted June 5, 2010 put a $79 price tag on the glx and a $350 price tag on the vendetta. see how that review works out. nothing like deliberately missing the point or tossing red herring into chowder. While you're swapping the price tags, why don't you swap the components while you're at it? See how that goes. actually, it is the only point. one man's trash is always another man's treasure...as i wouldn't put much faith in one man's erstwhile assessment of a subjective value, neither would i place much faith in another man's interpretation of that value...as the o.p. suggests. as far as the original vendetta/cumulus...personally, i don't see either in my future. As previously mentioned, the Vendetta was tested against the baseline GLX @ $300.00 + and held it's own. A machine is not subjective, it is objective.
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