Abu Garcias Vendetta rated better than Shimanos Cumulus!!!!

[Captain Obvious]

You know it's funny but I've yet to hear someone say that they Love there Cumulus. I heard plenty from the Vendetta guys about how much they like it but nothing from those guys who own the Cumulus.

[Mike Z]

Went into a local tackle shop today with every intention of walking out with a Vendetta spinning rod for my dad. The poor guys been using a 20$ dicks special for his shacky heads! Anyway I went over to the rods and held the Vendetta in my hand but noticed they had some mojo's on sale for 75$. So I picked it up and compared the two. Both were 7ft meduim fast action. I was surprised that the so called top heavy mojo was flat out lighter and alot better balanced then the vendetta. So I walked out with a Mojo and plan to give it to him as a early fathers day gift tomorrow at KY lake.

I've been to a few local stores that sell the Vendetta. IMHO they feel kinda cheap compared to the other rods I was comparing at the time. -Powell, Carrot Stix, Mojo Bass, and even the Gander Mountain Ti GSX. Not really sure why the impression. Just how I felt.

In fact the GM Ti GSX felt REALLY good but they only come in Med or Med Heavy and I was looking for heavy. 

[fathom]

put a $79 price tag on the glx and a $350 price tag on the vendetta.

see how that review works out.

nothing like deliberately missing the point or tossing red herring into chowder. While you're swapping the price tags, why don't you swap the components while you're at it? See how that goes.

actually, it is the only point.

one man's trash is always another man's treasure...as i wouldn't put much faith in one man's erstwhile assessment of a subjective value, neither would i place much faith in another man's interpretation of that value...as the o.p. suggests.

as far as the original vendetta/cumulus...personally, i don't see either in my future.

As previously mentioned, the Vendetta was tested against the baseline GLX @ $300.00 + and held it's own. A machine is not subjective, it is objective.

any mh should be able to somewhat recreate the deflection of any baseline mh on a rodwrack machine....the rodwrack measures the characteristics (action, power) of a blank, not the quality of a blank.

the 6 scoring categories at the end of the review call for a value to be given and added to a final score...the values given here are not machine responses, they are human responses.

i.e., subjective value.

[Dan:]

You guys who are using the TT test as proof that the Vendetta is equal to the GLX need to read what that test actually measures. As fathom pointed out the RoD Wrack test measures the deflection of the rod. That tells you the properties of the power and action. I suspect the main difference in those rods will be fit and finish and most importantly SENSITIVITY. All that RoD deflection test shows is that they bend the same way.

[Grey Wolf]

Vendetta vs. cumulus , are you serious ?

[b.Lee]

LOL and the battle continues

[Pantera61]

Vendetta vs. cumulus , are you serious ?

Yeah, it's almost unbelievable people are willing to defend Shimano at 3X the price! 

[steezy]

Vendetta vs. cumulus , are you serious ?

Yeah, it's almost unbelievable people are willing to defend Shimano at 3X the price!

Pantera61, its not the price that people are defending, its the rod.

It's almost unbelievable, that you think that is unbelievable.

[CWilliams]

You know it's funny but I've yet to hear someone say that they Love there Cumulus. I heard plenty from the Vendetta guys about how much they like it but nothing from those guys who own the Cumulus.

Not much point when peoples minds are already made up.

I fish with a guy that has two Vendetta rods. They are not even close to the same class as the Cumulus.

This is just a chance for people to justify their purchase of a Vendetta rod.

[Pantera61]

You know it's funny but I've yet to hear someone say that they Love there Cumulus. I heard plenty from the Vendetta guys about how much they like it but nothing from those guys who own the Cumulus.

Not much point when peoples minds are already made up.

I fish with a guy that has two Vendetta rods. They are not even close to the same class as the Cumulus.

This is just a chance for people to justify their purchase of a Vendetta rod.

Actually, it's the opposite. It's the losing battle of someone trying to justify paying 3X more for a rod that's not 3X the rod.

[CWilliams]

You know it's funny but I've yet to hear someone say that they Love there Cumulus. I heard plenty from the Vendetta guys about how much they like it but nothing from those guys who own the Cumulus.

Not much point when peoples minds are already made up.

I fish with a guy that has two Vendetta rods. They are not even close to the same class as the Cumulus.

This is just a chance for people to justify their purchase of a Vendetta rod.

Actually, it's the opposite. It's the losing battle of someone trying to justify paying 3X more for a rod that's not 3X the rod.

The thread was not started by someone owning a Cumulus.

I have no need to justify my purchase. Thats why you don't see me starting a thread about how awesome my Cumulus is.

It sounds to me like most people here do not even own Cumulus rods. They just realize how rediculous it is to claim the Vendetta is a better rod.

[Pantera61]

You know it's funny but I've yet to hear someone say that they Love there Cumulus. I heard plenty from the Vendetta guys about how much they like it but nothing from those guys who own the Cumulus.

Not much point when peoples minds are already made up.

I fish with a guy that has two Vendetta rods. They are not even close to the same class as the Cumulus.

This is just a chance for people to justify their purchase of a Vendetta rod.

Actually, it's the opposite. It's the losing battle of someone trying to justify paying 3X more for a rod that's not 3X the rod.

The thread was not started by someone owning a Cumulus.

I have no need to justify my purpose. Thats why you don't see me starting a thread about how awesome my Cumulus is.

It sounds to me like most people here do not even own Cumulus rods. They just realize how rediculous it is to claim the Vendetta is a better rod.

1. No one is claiming the Vendetta is a better rod, your insecurity goggles are reading that.

2. This is the typical thread about why folks won't pay that much for a rod and how can anybody else spend that much either. Exceptin' of course when the name on the rod is Shimano.

3. Why don't you tell me exactly what it is that makes the Cumulus a better rod? Is it the guides? Is it the reel seat? Is it the thread? Maybe you will tell me the Cumulus is 3X more sensitive than the comparable Vendetta.

It's checkmate, friend. Take it like a big boy.

[CWilliams]

I see no need to point out the obvious benefits of a Cumulus over any IM6 rod. You have made up your mind.

I have seen my friends Vendetta slowly start to fall apart and it has not even been a full fishing season yet. The amazing shiny red butt cap is chipped and has paint wearing. The finish on the exposed split grip part of the blank is already worn off in spots.

Why spend that much on a Vendetta when you can have this: http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_44306____SearchResults.

[Jake.]

Actually, it's the opposite. It's the losing battle of someone trying to justify paying 3X more for a rod that's not 3X the rod.

I don't believe anyone has stated that the Cumulus is 3 times better than the Vendetta. There is a point of diminishing return in every line of products. Some believe it is worth it to pay for the increased performance that comes from a high-end product, even if it doesn't provide the same amount of performance per dollar as a value product. Others don't think it is. This is how arguments like this one begin. Is the Vendetta a better value than the Cumulus? Probably. But is the Cumulus is a superior rod overall (to an unbiased individual)? Obviously.

[northern basser]

one man's trash is another man's treasure

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[Pantera61]

Actually, it's the opposite. It's the losing battle of someone trying to justify paying 3X more for a rod that's not 3X the rod.

I don't believe anyone has stated that the Cumulus is 3 times better than the Vendetta. There is a point of diminishing return in every line of products. Some believe it is worth it to pay for the increased performance that comes from a high-end product, even if it doesn't provide the same amount of performance per dollar as a value product. Others don't think it is. This is how arguments like this one begin. Is the Vendetta a better value than the Cumulus? Probably. But is the Cumulus is a superior rod overall (to an unbiased individual)? Obviously.

It boils down to certain groups of people having their single-mindedness challenged.

[Bronzefly]

It boils down to certain groups of people having their single-mindedness challenged.

"Unapologetically Abu!"

This reminds me of the old saying about "the pot calling the kettle black" ;D

I've fished a vendetta rod and it's a fine stick at its price point, but make no mistake, it's not in the same league as the Cumulus - nor should it be! 

[Pantera61]

It boils down to certain groups of people having their single-mindedness challenged.

"Unapologetically Abu!"

This reminds me of the old saying about "the pot calling the kettle black" ;D

I've fished a vendetta rod and it's a fine stick at its price point, but make no mistake, it's not in the same league as the Cumulus - nor should it be!

Hey, Bronze, the tagline is more about not taking any second-class citizen guff after Daiwa/Shimano, not about only using Abu. As mentioned previously, I don't have any anti-Daiwa, Falcon, Megabass or Evergreen prejudice.

Give the people what they want, it's just going to be a whole new world when the model AFTER the Veritas are released.

[Bronzefly]

Hey, Bronze, the tagline is more about not taking any second-class citizen guff after Daiwa/Shimano, not about only using Abu. As mentioned previously, I don't have any anti-Daiwa, Falcon, Megabass or Evergreen prejudice.

You shouldn't have to take any second-class citizen stuff about using Abu products - they make some fine rods and reels, no doubt - and I expect the Veritas to be another fine product from Abu.  My "all in good fun" comment was directed more toward the apparent dichotomy between your obvious affinity toward Abu and prejudice toward Shimano in light of your "single-mindedness" comment.  Carry on... this thread is entertaining 8-)

[steezy]

Dude, if you dont think the Cumulus is worth paying 3x the cost of a Vendetta then dont buy a Cumulus but I think you will find it impossible to get any knowledgeable fishermen to believe you.

Remember, there is a reason the Vendette costs $89 and the Cumulus is $349.  The Cumulus blank costs more to produce than the entire Vendette rod.  Im not knocking the Vendetta rod but that the way it is.

You said you have a Steez compilex rod so Im having a hard time understanding why anyone that buys a $500 Steez rod is buying and using a $89 Vendetta rod.  Its gotta feel strange when you switch form the Steez to the Vendetta.  Be like going from a BMW to a Kia.

[Dan:]

The Cumulus does not have to be 3x as sensitive to cost 3x as much. People pay high dollar for premium products all the time, and not just in the fishing industry. The relationship between overall quality and price is not linear.

The Vendetta might be a better value but no one is debating that. The point is that the rod is not as good as a rod at the premium price point (whether it be a Shimano or a Loomis)

[Pantera61]

Dude, if you dont think the Cumulus is worth paying 3x the cost of a Vendetta then dont buy a Cumulus but I think you will find it impossible to get any knowledgeable fishermen to believe you.

Remember, there is a reason the Vendette costs $89 and the Cumulus is $349. The Cumulus blank costs more to produce than the entire Vendette rod. Im not knocking the Vendetta rod but that the way it is.

You said you have a Steez compilex rod so Im having a hard time understanding why anyone that buys a $500 Steez rod is buying and using a $89 Vendetta rod. Its gotta feel strange when you switch form the Steez to the Vendetta. Be like going from a BMW to a Kia.

I got rid of the Steez more than a year ago because it wasn't sensitive enough.  I purchased an Evergreen rod which was in the same price range and significantly more sensitive.  In November of 09, I bought my first Vendetta and found it to be more sensitive than the Daiwa Zillion and the Steez.

Was it a bum Steez?  Who knows.  Do I have super Vendetta?  Who knows.  I do know this, I found the Vendetta to be equivalent in performance to rods costing twice and three times as much.

I feel confident with the Vendetta series of rods and I look forward to purchasing a few new Veritas rods.

[Glenn]

Ok, I've had about enough of this!  Calling people insecure and close-minded over fishing tackle?  Really?  Is that what fishing is now?

You guys want to debate, knock yourself out.  But I will NOT tolerate name-calling and disrespectful comments!  >

Are we clear on this?

[skunked_again]

this thread is equal to eating a box of stale crackerjacks hoping for some great prize at the end.

[wagn]

UGLY STICK 4EVER. WOOT!!!

Really, just fish what you like.