Another Deep Cranking question..

[Skeet22]

It's not often I have the opportunity to deep crank so I do not want to invest in a set up just for this purpose. I have two set ups that I could possibly use for deep cranking.

1. 7' Medium Okuma Guide Select 6:4 Okuma reel spooled with 12# xps Flouro (current shallow crank rod)

2. 7' Kistler MH Carbon Steel 6:4 Revo Sx spooled with 17# xps flouro(current T-rigged plastics rod)

I realize a slower reel would be preferred but is it required? The slowest reel I have are a couple of old 5:1 curados. Would I'd be better off using on of these reels for deep cranking?

[5bass]

I realize a slower reel would be preferred but is it required? The slowest reel I have are a couple of old 5:1 curados. Would I'd be better off using on of these reels for deep cranking?   

Required? No, of course not. But if you're planning to crank deep for long periods of time, I'd use the Curado 5.1....with the 7' MH Kistler

[SoFlaBassAddict]

I realize a slower reel would be preferred but is it required? The slowest reel I have are a couple of old 5:1 curados. Would I'd be better off using on of these reels for deep cranking?

Required? No, of course not. But if you're planning to crank deep for long periods of time, I'd use the Curado 5.1....with the 7' MH Kistler

x2

You can use the 6.4, but you'll be working a lot harder then you need to. Stick the 5.1 on there. The MH will be the better choice as well.

[5bass]

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[burleytog]

I would suggest you think about decreasing your line size.  PLine CXX 8 or 10 lb max.  Line diameter plays a huge part in dive depth.  I've been using 12 lb CXX this week and I'm losing at least 3' of dive depth.  If you're using 12-17 lb fluoro, you'd might as well be throwing a medium crank.

[bowfish12]

I would suggest you think about decreasing your line size. PLine CXX 8 or 10 lb max. Line diameter plays a huge part in dive depth. I've been using 12 lb CXX this week and I'm losing at least 3' of dive depth. If you're using 12-17 lb fluoro, you'd might as well be throwing a medium crank.

x2. Go with 8 or 10 lb line.  You're defeating the purpose if you use anything heavier.  With Pline you don't have to worry about much of anything.  The 10 lb is very strong.

[Skeet22]

10# P-Line CXX diameter is .014

8# P-Line CXX diameter is .012

12# xps flouro diameter is .012

Being that the xps is flouro one would think that this would be the best of the three for geting deep correct?

[Skeet22]

I would suggest you think about decreasing your line size. PLine CXX 8 or 10 lb max. Line diameter plays a huge part in dive depth. I've been using 12 lb CXX this week and I'm losing at least 3' of dive depth. If you're using 12-17 lb fluoro, you'd might as well be throwing a medium crank.

x2. Go with 8 or 10 lb line. You're defeating the purpose if you use anything heavier. With Pline you don't have to worry about much of anything. The 10 lb is very strong.

The 10# is very strong indeed beacause it is comparable in diameter to 14-15# in most other brands.

[bowfish12]

I would suggest you think about decreasing your line size. PLine CXX 8 or 10 lb max. Line diameter plays a huge part in dive depth. I've been using 12 lb CXX this week and I'm losing at least 3' of dive depth. If you're using 12-17 lb fluoro, you'd might as well be throwing a medium crank.

x2. Go with 8 or 10 lb line. You're defeating the purpose if you use anything heavier. With Pline you don't have to worry about much of anything. The 10 lb is very strong.

The 10# is very strong indeed beacause it is comparable in diameter to 14-15# in most other brands.

Personally, I use 10# sufix for when I deep crank. That diameter would be equivalent to 8# Pline. The reason for this is that most of the time there isn't much to hang up in on the ledges. I'm also throwing a 7"10" All Star Crankin rod with a curado E5. The depth ranges from 8-25 ft.

Now for where I crank that has a lot of stumps, stake beds, laydowns, etc. 10# Pline gets the vote. This water ranges from 3-12 ft.

The diameter of 10# Pline was the same as 12# sufix and trilene xt. The only brand that I saw during the quick search that was the same diameter but higher was 14# Stren Orig.

The point I'm trying to make is that in order to crank deep(8-25 ft) you need three things. A long rod, 8-10# line, and a low ratio reel.

The line diameter of #10 Pline doesn't really make a difference since it's in the same class as 12# Sufix, which means both of those lines are sufficient for deep cranking.

Now for cranking in the 3-12 ft range I would say that up to 12# Pline, or equivalent in diameter, would be fine. But the reason for throwing the 8-10# line is to get the crankbait digging as hard as it can.

I wouldn't be against throwing 6# CXX for deep cranking.

[bmadd]

A few things to think about with deep cranking.

1. Line Diameter. I think this is the biggest factor. I recommend 10lb Trilene 100% fluoro. If you really want to get some extra depth though, try 20lb braid.

2. Rod length. While you can get by with a 7' rod, a longer rod will give you an advantage in casting distance.

3. Rod power. While some cranks in the 10-14 ft range can be worked with a M powered rod, those in the 15-20 range will likely wear you out unless you're using a MH powered.

4. Don't get hung up on low gear ratio reels. While in the past these were needed, with advances in reel technology higher speed reels can be used just as well. Shimano's HEG is one example. I use a 6.3:1 ratio and am comfortable using that all day. In the summer time I like a faster retrieve anyway.

[5bass]

4. Don't get hung up on low gear ratio reels. While in the past these were needed, with advances in reel technology higher speed reels can be used just as well. Shimano's HEG is one example. I use a 6.3:1 ratio and am comfortable using that all day. In the summer time I like a faster retrieve anyway.

I'm not sure I understand the difference in an older 6.3:1 reel and a new one. A 6.3:1 is a 6.3:1.

3. Rod power. While some cranks in the 10-14 ft range can be worked with a M powered rod, those in the 15-20 range will likely wear you out unless you're using a MH powered.

If I wasn't worried about getting worn out pulling a 20 ft crankbait with a high speed reel, I surely wouldn't worry about a lighter rod wearing me out?? :-?

[Dan:]

I just started using Seaguar Invizx 12lb. It has the same diameter as 8lb Trilene 100% (.011). I like it so far but I haven't used it enough to form a solid opinion.

[bmadd]

5BL,

I'm not saying that the ratio is different. What I meant was that the gears are different. Shimano's HEG as well as Abu's Duragear allows for more torque in these ratios that reels of the past didn't have. Some of the lower end reels in today's market without similar gears are the same way. My very first cranking reel was the original Bass Pro Extreme in 6.3:1. That reel cast great but did a number if I tried to throw a DD22 for a long time.

As far as rod powers, it can vary between different companies but I think that a MH rod is needed for cranks that dive 15'+. Especially those with a wide wobble.