Power Pro is TERRIBLE!

[Chaz Hickcox]

once, i was fishing with this guy that was fishing with braid and he was having the worst time of it. he was swearing at his line and cursing the day he bought braid. i finally had him hand his rod and reel to me and, sure enough, it acted funny with me too...sorta like the way you're describing. upon closer inspection, i discovered that when he was threading the line through the guides, he missed one of the eyes and, instead, ran the line under the eye through the guideframe. after fixing that, everything was fine. is there a possibility that's what happened with you? i've used many different brands of braid and don't see how what you described could be the fault of the line.

Good thinking. I've done that, and I was thoroughly confused for a few casts.

PowerPro does create some extra friction for a few hours until you break it in. It's a little rough straight off the spool, but a terrific line overall.

This is to both snoopy and beaver islander - That may have been the issue, though I don't think so.  I have been using that same rod/reel/braid set up for all season up until now.  I have caught many fish on that and have had issues with that particular reel having a worn drag disc that I had to replace (other times with the same reel and smaller fish I had the opposite issues, the drag was too loose and I had to use my thumb to gain line on the fish, but after replacing the drag I have not had that issue again and no it wasn;t the line slipping on the spool.  I tie the braid with a polomar knot threaded into the holes on the spool, not around the spool like most people do).  Again today the reel worked fine with the flouro on it.  Maybe this is a one time fluke.  My tournament partner uses powerpro with no issues whatsoever.  So who knows?  I am fairly sure this was not user error in this case though.

[South FLA]

suicidenemesis,

Did you check your guide's inserts to make sure you did not have a chip or cut in them. I had a Dobyn's rod that was brand new and it had a nick on my tip guide's insert and if my thin diameter superline, can't remember if it was Samurai or Suffix, kept getting stuck and feeling hard to retrieve and upon closer inspection it was the guide insert, replace it and problem went away.  If the nick is small enough for superline to cut into you may have had the same effect as snoopy described without missing the guide.

Use the cotton swap test on each guide insert and see if any cotton sticks.

[fourbizz]

No chance that when your line gets wet it swells enough to contact part of the reel frame somewhere? Reel line guide plugged/cracked?

[Stasher1]

There is no way the "friction" of Power Pro passing thru the guides caused you to lose fish. If your reel can't overcome that little bit of resistance, you'll never be able to pull a fish out of the weeds.

[kikstand454]

once, i was fishing with this guy that was fishing with braid and he was having the worst time of it. he was swearing at his line and cursing the day he bought braid. i finally had him hand his rod and reel to me and, sure enough, it acted funny with me too...sorta like the way you're describing. upon closer inspection, i discovered that when he was threading the line through the guides, he missed one of the eyes and, instead, ran the line under the eye through the guideframe. after fixing that, everything was fine. is there a possibility that's what happened with you? i've used many different brands of braid and don't see how what you described could be the fault of the line.

Good thinking. I've done that, and I was thoroughly confused for a few casts.

PowerPro does create some extra friction for a few hours until you break it in. It's a little rough straight off the spool, but a terrific line overall.

This is to both snoopy and beaver islander - That may have been the issue, though I don't think so. I have been using that same rod/reel/braid set up for all season up until now. I have caught many fish on that and have had issues with that particular reel having a worn drag disc that I had to replace (other times with the same reel and smaller fish I had the opposite issues, the drag was too loose and I had to use my thumb to gain line on the fish, but after replacing the drag I have not had that issue again and no it wasn;t the line slipping on the spool.  I tie the braid with a polomar knot threaded into the holes on the spool, not around the spool like most people do). Again today the reel worked fine with the flouro on it. Maybe this is a one time fluke. My tournament partner uses powerpro with no issues whatsoever. So who knows? I am fairly sure this was not user error in this case though.

maybe this was your issue.

it doesnt matter what knot you tie braid to a spool with... it will slip into itself... digging in... and then when you cast or reel, the line is coming out from under itself.

you have to either use. backing (mono) or make a really good long cast and set a peice electical tape across the spool and reel it in to stop this issue.

i use power pro all the time and the only problem i ever had with it was it digging in and then when i went for a long cast... it would catch in the reel... and snap and send my bait three miles across the lake. since i learned that digging in solution i have never had a single problem with it at all.  i trust it and like above all other braids ive used.

[J Francho]

Spool was over filled.

[fishinflip415]

Operater error!!!!!! Friction now that is funny. Posts like this really make me laugh. I lost a fish because of friction. Bwhahahhahahahhahahah !!!!!!!!! 8-)

[Hammer 4]

Nope, I tie my braid to the spool by threading the line through the holes, and have not experienced any friction, slippage or any thing else..

Of course, I'm not using PP...

[0119]

Maybe the problem is that it is power pro.  If you must use braid at least sufix and daiwa have more carriers and represent a more recent generation of technology.  Better yet....buck the trend and use mono, your reel will appreciate it in the future.

[trevor]

Did you put it on the reel with as much tension as possible? When spooling with braid, you want it TIGHT.

[RoLo]

I'm really not sure what you're eluding to, because line friction is a fact of life

and cannot be isolated to the line, as your guide rings may be equally involved.

I used PowerPro for a couple years and loved everything about braided line (not powerpro per se).

Unfortunately, I got unlucky and purchased a bad batch of PowerPro. My wife and I both

experienced serial line-failure without provocation. Previous to my own experience,

I always thought of a "bad batch" as a scapegoat or a figment of the imagination.

Kudos to PowerPro though, because by their own admission the company acknowledged

that they had problems with certain bulk spools. PowerPro offered me a free bulk spool

but I refused their offer. Instead I switched to Berkley Fireline braid, and now inexplicable breakage

is a thing of the past. All that said, PowerPro is not at all terrible.

Roger

[=Matt 5.0=]

Ok, so I have a Quantum Surge Baitcaster

Found the culprit...

[Chaz Hickcox]

suicidenemesis,

Did you check your guide's inserts to make sure you did not have a chip or cut in them. I had a Dobyn's rod that was brand new and it had a nick on my tip guide's insert and if my thin diameter superline, can't remember if it was Samurai or Suffix, kept getting stuck and feeling hard to retrieve and upon closer inspection it was the guide insert, replace it and problem went away. If the nick is small enough for superline to cut into you may have had the same effect as snoopy described without missing the guide.

Use the cotton swap test on each guide insert and see if any cotton sticks.

Interesting thought, but that's not the case.  Since that particular rod is made for superline I switched my reels around.  I put the one with the flouro on another rod and the one with the spiderwire on that rod.  Since then I have put at least 10 fish in the boat with that rod with no issues. 

To all you 'smart' people, like flip from San Fran.  Eat me.  Just because this ain't happened to you does not mean that was not the case.  I'm not worried about losing practice day fish, nor am I making excuses.  I'm actually happy it happened then and not on the tournement day.  I just thought this was an interesting thing and if anyone else had experienced it.  Guess what, using braid brought in half my fish for my last four tournements.  I'm pretty sure I know how to use it.

[kikstand454]

*shrug*  to each their own. i have tried several braids... and among those that i have tried.. i have chosen power pro for both fresh and saltwater. i have had no problems and continue to have no problems.

but then.. i like quantums too... so wth do i know right?

[midnighthrasher]

I love power pro and have never had a problem with it. For that reason i will not change. I get all rapala lures (rapala, terminator, suffix, storm, vmc and more) at pro staff pricing  and i like power pro so much that i pay retail for it instead of buying suffix braid at cost. Its streghths  far out weight its weaknesses for me. Hopefully you find one that suits your needs and likes.

That said  next time you have had problems with a product try asking a question about it and not saying that it is simply TERRIBLE. You will see that you will have better and more intelligent answers with a question that is well stated and asked than with a statement insulting a product that is used and loved by many people.

[Grey Wolf]

I love power pro and have never had a problem with it. For that reason i will not change. I get all rapala lures (rapala, terminator, suffix, storm, vmc and more) at pro staff pricing and i like power pro so much that i pay retail for it instead of buying suffix braid at cost. Its streghths far out weight its weaknesses for me. Hopefully you find one that suits your needs and likes.

That said next time you have had problems with a product try asking a question about it and not saying that it is simply TERRIBLE. You will see that you will have better and more intelligent answers with a question that is well stated and asked than with a statement insulting a product that is used and loved by many people.

Well stated.

[Bass4Me007]

Just a thought, but have you tried switching back to PP on that same rod to see if it can be repeated?  Would be interesting to see.  The answer might give some direction.

PP is not my favorite braid, but I do still use it.  It is good line which has stood the test of time, so something unusual was happening.

[Tin]

Any money that line was slipping on the spool. I tie a "polomar" to the slots in the spool of my high speed Revo and it has slipped before as well. Take it all off and see, it's not like it has memory and will knot up.

And take some advice from people who actually know something about the line and common sense before you go complaining, ranting, and debunking their ideas. 95% of the time it is operator error.

[The Guy]

I have the same rod, the berkley shock with 65lb power pro on it.  There is a slight resistance with mine as opposed to the co-polymer i had on it before, but it has never been bad enough to cause me any problems.  Also it tends to become less noticeable after a few casts and the line gets wet.

[iceintheveins]

Power pro is the greatest braid ever made IMO. It is durable and casts wonderfully, hardly ever snarling. It loses some of the roughness with time and handles even better. Fireline and the older spiderwire sucked compared to it.

[Chaz Hickcox]

Any money that line was slipping on the spool. I tie a "polomar" to the slots in the spool of my high speed Revo and it has slipped before as well. Take it all off and see, it's not like it has memory and will knot up.

And take some advice from people who actually know something about the line and common sense before you go complaining, ranting, and debunking their ideas. 95% of the time it is operator error.

Normally I would, but what a lot of people seem to not realize is that most of the things people are saying is stuff I checked out on the water, therefore already debunking a lot of what is said.  One thing is that people need to not be offended when a brand they like gives someone a bad experience and that someone says something.  I personally like quantums, whith that being said, I know a lot of people have had really bad experiences with them, therefore I don't get angry and abbrasive when people say bad things about them.  In all reality anyways we are all on this site to learn from each others' experiences, so why don't people keep some tact in their responses instead of starting something by posting things to make others look like idiots?

[Chaz Hickcox]

Just a thought, but have you tried switching back to PP on that same rod to see if it can be repeated? Would be interesting to see. The answer might give some direction.

PP is not my favorite braid, but I do still use it. It is good line which has stood the test of time, so something unusual was happening.

That is a good idea, but the fact of the matter is that would cost a bit of money in line experimentation, and that's something I fiscally can't do.