Super User K_Mac Posted March 9, 2010 Super User Posted March 9, 2010 I've always used the face up/down method. Last week I spooled 2 reels and neither up or down seemed to work. This has happened rarely in the past, but enough that I am going to give the pencil method a try. It cannot be any worse than this past weeks attempt. Quote
IwillChooseFreeWill Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 For spooling I have used and and all methods. Using the roll off method, and using my right hand to hold the rod up keeping the line tight as it spools on is the best method I have found. Any line that unspools or creates bird nests is usually too stiff of a line for spinning reels and I change it out to a better quality line like 10-15 lb Pline CX, CXX or Power Pro braid 20-30lb Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 9, 2010 Super User Posted March 9, 2010 Unless you are using an 8000 series spinning reel, Id pass on the 10-15 lb. CXX - that's just terrible advice. I don't go over 8 lb. CXX on bass spinning tackle. The bigger stuff is for baitcasters. Quote
IwillChooseFreeWill Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 that's just terrible advice. Just because it doesn't work for you does not mean it does not work, please do not talk down to others just because something does not work FOR YOU. We are giving suggestions based on our experiences but it is ultimately up to the person to make their own choice and see what works for them. You stated most of your experience is with baitcasters (unless you backtrack againto change your story), so leave the suggestions for this SPINNING reel thread to those of us that actually use them on more than a rare occasion. My main spinning setup (Pflueger Trion GX-7 4740GX reel) has 12 lb Pline CX on it and is just as smooth and works better than any of the hundreds of mono or fluoro I have tried. If you don't want to use it, don't. No one is forcing you to but telling others that someones opinion is terrible is just wrong. > Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted March 9, 2010 Super User Posted March 9, 2010 On standard 2000 & 3000 series bass reels, heavy P-Line CXX will have issues. Quote
IwillChooseFreeWill Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 agreed I have had issues with Pline CX and CXX higher than 15 lb on spinning reels, but I did not suggest that. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 9, 2010 Super User Posted March 9, 2010 I never stated that most of my experience was with baitcasting gear. My stance has always been use the gear appropriate to the conditions, and what is comfortable to you. Telling someone to string up their spinning reel with 10-15 lb. P-line is terrible advice. That's realism, not condescension. Ask 50 anglers that have used this line, to a man they'll say its not the best route. If one feels the need line with that high a breaking strength, then braid is a better choice. Quote
IwillChooseFreeWill Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 nice backtracking! You seem to feel that your word and condescending tone counts for 50 people so feel free to think it as such. I use it almost every weekend with no problems so I suggest it. 10-15 lb Pline CX or CXX, or 20-30 lb Power Pro Pline over 15 lb does have issues on spinning gear. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 9, 2010 Super User Posted March 9, 2010 You really don't know what you are talking about. Seriously dude. I'm done with your bs. Spinning rod, 15# Power Pro, 4 or 6 lb. fluoro leader, 5-0 smallie: Quote
tyrius. Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 The typical bass sized spinning reels are setup to use 6-10 pound test line (measured by line diameter and not break strength). If you want to use heavier/bigger line then buy a bigger spinning reel, learn to use a baitcaster, or use braid. Going above the manufacturer's guidelines is typically not a good idea. It may work for a few people, but the majority of people know to use what is recommended. Quote
hornstein15 Posted March 9, 2010 Author Posted March 9, 2010 I have the Pflueger Trion GX-7 model# 4740GX it says 195yds of 10# test line I am just wanting a good line that has low memory and stretch... I aint a pro but I just want some good equipment that I don't have to worry about like I do when I use fricken baitcasters Quote
Super User burleytog Posted March 9, 2010 Super User Posted March 9, 2010 I'm the biggest proponent of CXX on this forum and there's no way in hell I would use anything larger than 8 lb. on a spinning reel. CX, yes. But CX is a far different animal than CXX. Quote
Super User CWB Posted March 9, 2010 Super User Posted March 9, 2010 Much as I hate to admit it, I have to agree with Burley. CX is not as stiff as CXX. Still wouldn't use either on a spinning reel. The Braid/Leader combo JFranco brought up will work fine if you want a strong, thin line. Quote
LAO162 Posted March 9, 2010 Posted March 9, 2010 I have the Pflueger Trion GX-7 model# 4740GXit says 195yds of 10# test line I am just wanting a good line that has low memory and stretch... Gamma CoPoly (High Performance) 10lb Expensive and hard to find, but works great on spinning gear. Very few tangles and breaks about 17lb (if I remember correctly). Quote
Super User Dan: Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 At the MOST I use 8lb on spinning reels. If I have to use line heavier than that I switch to baitcasters. The reason for that is spinning reels don't handle heavier line (which tends to be more coily and thicker than it's lighter counterparts) very well. I think the vast majority of experienced anglers will agree that 12 lb line and higher is better reserved for baitcasters or larger sized spinning reels. Sure, some people might be alright with using heavy mono on spinning reels but I'm almost certain they'd be happier if they tried lighter lines instead. Quote
Super User Big Bait Fishing Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 I have the Pflueger Trion GX-7 model# 4740GXit says 195yds of 10# test line I am just wanting a good line that has low memory and stretch... Gamma CoPoly (High Performance) 10lb Expensive and hard to find, but works great on spinning gear. Very few tangles and breaks about 17lb (if I remember correctly). the 10 lb. line has a breaking strength of 17.5 lbs. and the 12 lb. line has a breaking strength of 20 lbs. Quote
Super User Big Bait Fishing Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 I never stated that most of my experience was with baitcasting gear. My stance has always been use the gear appropriate to the conditions, and what is comfortable to you. Telling someone to string up their spinning reel with 10-15 lb. P-line is terrible advice. That's realism, not condescension. Ask 50 anglers that have used this line, to a man they'll say its not the best route. If one feels the need line with that high a breaking strength, then braid is a better choice. i totally agree with JFrancho and i will also say that to spool up a 2500 size spinning reel with 15 lb. CXX is ridiculous !!! spool it up with a hundred yards and then open the bail and 30 yards will jump off the spool in .3 seconds !!! like most everyone will tell you , 8 lb. is really the limit , i use 6 lb. CXX ....... Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 The loop on, loop off thing is fine in theory, but that is not the way it is loaded onto the spool at the factory. The problem with that method is that you can be taking a single loop off the spool four or five inches in diameter, and putting three or four loops on the reel spool which is a much smaller diameter. Want to get it loaded with the proper "lay" on the reel spool? Fill your reel with either method. When you're on the water, and before you tie anything to the line, stream all the line off the reel at a slow speed. Then with the boat stopped, or moving very slowly, reel the line in. The line will be free to twist in the water. This will allow it to be spooled onto your reel without any twist whatsoever. I load my reels with the spool of line on an axle, and never had a problem, unless I overfilled the reel. Overloading the reel is the cause of most birdnesting problems. That, and not having any tension in the line which makes it loose on the spool, allowing several coils to fly off the reel when first cast. Always have some tension in the line when retrieving line. On some retrieves, that means you may have to provide the tension by pinching the line slightly between your fingers. Loose coils of line on any reel are anathema. Quote
Super User grimlin Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 I do really well on Trilene XL in either 10# or 12#. I don't go past 12# test on spinning set up....Too much of a hassle for me. I also use yo zuri hybrid ultra soft in 6# test. Both of those lines are very limp and very easy to control. Quote
Super User RoLo Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 The best angler to ask is someone who fishes spinning gear exclusively from 1/8oz to 1 oz. He or she would tell you that spinning gear and braided line is a match made in heaven I've used most brands of braid and all line-tests, and have come to settle on Berkley 30-lb Fireline Braid. To an angler who fishes with nylon monofilament, 30-lb line probably sounds like overkill, but it's only .011 in diameter, the same as 8-lb nylon mono. The diameter of 20-lb braid is just .002 less than 30-lb braid, but that extra .002 in diameter virtually eliminates 'wind-knots' and 'line-burrowing', and provides improved 'abrasion-resistance'. Go for it...and you'll never look back. Roger Quote
IwillChooseFreeWill Posted March 10, 2010 Posted March 10, 2010 I have the Pflueger Trion GX-7 model# 4740GXit says 195yds of 10# test line I am just wanting a good line that has low memory and stretch... I aint a pro but I just want some good equipment that I don't have to worry about like I do when I use fricken baitcasters Quote
hornstein15 Posted March 10, 2010 Author Posted March 10, 2010 Ok thanks CX it is... I appreciate the great discussion Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 Why all the passion and fervor over line? Granted, some are better than others, but for the most part, they are all up to the task. Way back when, Stren and Trilene were the ultimate. They were the cat's meow. Those brands are still marketed today, but they are the basic, entry level products of Stren and Berkley. The problem seems to be that some who never fished in the cave man era do not realize or appreciate just how good they have it today, when it comes to equipment. Take it from someone who had been away from freshwater fishing for over thirty years. Today's equipment is light years away from the gear of those days. My dad had a surfcasting rod that he made from lemonwood. Wood rods were quite common before fiberglass came upon the scene. I seem to recall some were even made of tubular metal. And you guys squabble about line? Quote
Super User J Francho Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 Back then people gave bad advice, too. I recall my father spooling up his Quick 4000 with 20 lb. Stren, on the recommendation from the guy in the bait shop. I learned how to cuss that day. Quote
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted March 10, 2010 Super User Posted March 10, 2010 Back then people gave bad advice, too. I recall my father spooling up his Quick 4000 with 20 lb. Stren, on the recommendation from the guy in the bait shop. I learned how to cuss that day. LOL. Bad advice has been around as long as man has walked upright. No age is immune. I've given as much bad advice as the next guy, even though none, ok, very little of it was deliberate. I wasn't addressing the merits of the "arguments" just the intensity to which they degenerated. Then again, my testosterone levels are no doubt lower than they were thirty years ago. Quote
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