Fishing Rods with Broken (& Repaired) Tips??

[K_Mac]

It seems I am wrong. I hate when that happens. :-[

Thanks guys.

[I Love BassResource]

Trimming any blank from the tip will make the action of the rod slower.

Here is a pretty good discussion on the subject, from some people with tons more experience than I

http://rodbuilding.org/read.php?2,320047,320096#msg-320096

[J Francho]

It seems I am wrong. I hate when that happens. :-[

Thanks guys.

Don't sweat it - let's hope you don't have to gain any practical experience in this matter.

[K_Mac]

dick that is a great explanation of the science. It is exactly what J Franco was saying. I was too loud to hear it. Thanks for the link.

J Franco I've always said that I would rather hit the wrong note full voiced occasionally than not add anything to the chorus. It is an uncomfortable way of learning, but very effective. Thanks for the lesson. 8-)

[Paul Roberts]

Interesting. I must confess, I'm thinking in circles here.

So, while you are at the lecturn J, or others: What do the terms "fast/slow" designate? I've read: taper, recovery time, velocity to given power, ...

Why a term designating speed?

[J Francho]

Interesting. I must confess, I'm thinking in circles here.

So, while you are at the lecturn J, or others: What do the terms "fast/slow" designate? I've read: taper, recovery time, velocity to given power, ...

Why a term designating speed?

I think it refers to taper, which is directly related to "action" if action is referring to how the rod flexes under load.  A fast taper would diminish in diameter quickly, while a slow action rod would slowly taper.  Its important to note that there are different sections of the rod, the butt, or backbone, a transitional middle area and a tip.  Somewhere I think Gary Loomis has written or talked about it.

Recovery is something different, though my take is that the faster the taper, the quicker the recovery.  There's probably more to it.

J Franco I've always said that I would rather hit the wrong note full voiced occasionally than not add anything to the chorus.

I learn much the same way.  Its not stubbornness, I just need to see it in simple terms, or simply hands on.

Now if I could just share what I know, simply..... ;D

[Paul Roberts]

Thanks, J.

I'm not going to bother posting what I originally had going -it became long and circular lol --NO puns on Ugly Stick intended-- with more questions than answers. But I gotta ask, what action does an Ugly Stick have anyway??? If I hang a wet noodle off the end of a broken rod does it make it fast? What does that mean? ;D

I think I'll leave rod design to the better qualified.

[J Francho]

Moot point....Ugly Sticks don't break, LOL.

Actually, my buddy Kase heard one snap fishing for kings in the gorge. Said it sounded like a 22 going off!

[Paul Roberts]

According to a Shakespeare rep (this is third hand now), the actor in the commercial (don't if you remember it -tough guy saying "Ugly Stick -Fishes circles around ever other rod") ...supposedly he broke a bunch of them before they got the commercial shot.

When someone came into the shop (B.E.) to look at an Ugly Stick we'd have to run right over and tell them not to try it. Pat told me that he'd had people grab em and break em. > <that's Pat -and a good likeness too.

[J Francho]

Yeah but, that's Pat's normal face.  I wouldn't want ot see him mad.

He said to slap you upside the head, and say "Hi!" BTW.  LOL

[Paul Roberts]

Awww Geee, Pat. Actually, if he were in a good mood I can hear him, "That boy was a piece of work."

Hey, next time you see him ask him to sing, "You are so Beautiful", and get ready to shed a tear (after your teeth crack).

Anyway...ahh...we sold a bunch of Ugly Sticks. Don't remember any coming back either. I've seen people fishing with em with tire tracks on 'em! Maybe Roger should get one now, they way he smacks his Loomis's around. One rod will do it too: 2 to 200lb test. Put a broadhead on the butt and you can kill deer with it too.

[barroncooper]

Leon the answer is no. The power of the rod is determined by the force needed to cause it to flex and the max force it will take. The effect of braking 2" off a rod is that the action is now faster. There is less flex before the backbone of the rod comes into play. Having been there and done that it will definitely cause the rod to feel faster/stiffer while casting.

Speed is a function of how fast the power of the rod comes into play. A slow action has more flex in the taper and takes longer on a hook set to bring the full power into play. A MH crankbait rod will have the same power as a MHF rod as shown by the Line rating. It will just take more flex (slower)to get to the backbone of the rod.

I agree here.  I think the action would be faster

[Paul Roberts]

Leon the answer is no. The power of the rod is determined by the force needed to cause it to flex and the max force it will take. The effect of braking 2" off a rod is that the action is now faster. There is less flex before the backbone of the rod comes into play. Having been there and done that it will definitely cause the rod to feel faster/stiffer while casting.

Speed is a function of how fast the power of the rod comes into play. A slow action has more flex in the taper and takes longer on a hook set to bring the full power into play. A MH crankbait rod will have the same power as a MHF rod as shown by the Line rating. It will just take more flex (slower)to get to the backbone of the rod.

I agree here. I think the action would be faster

Back on track.

Now, where are the engineers? Gary Loomis...are you out there lurking? I'll settle for Brian Waldman. Or Joe Vanfossen. How about the Ugly Stick commercial guy??

[LAO162]

I was hoping that maybe Bantam1 would provide some Shimano perspective

[J Francho]

3 rod builders,and a guy that has broken enough rod tips to know the truth....who cares what anyone "thinks" anymore, LOL.

If that's the case, save some major $$$, and buy a cheap, fast rated 7-6 rod.  Snap the tip off, and you'll have an expensive extra fast rod.  LMAO.

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[Paul Roberts]

Stiff! But not Faster! But, but....

[bowtech_182]

The Way I understand it is that if you cut any length off off the butt or tip of a rod, the action will slow down.  The way to speed the action up is to add length to the butt section.

[hitchhiker]

I understand actions, and I actually don't like that diagram. It looks like the same fast action rod, just with more pressure applied to it. I've got four broken spinning rods in my attic that disputes the faster claim. They are slower. The geometry of the rod is completely altered when removing the tip. More of the rod flexes when the tip is broken off.

This diagram is MUCH better at illustrating actions:

If you're starting out with a blank, trimming the tip, spacing the guides out correctly and going truly custom, then you are changing the action of the blank, to your likes and desires.

If you are simply adding a tip to a broken rod and think you are ending up with a first quality rod where the tip is 2 inches to the next guide???

If it looks good it fishes good. :

You're arguing over a broken rod. I definitely wouldn't buy one that was repaired in such a manner, I wouldn't fish one that I broke while fishing it, unless I totally stripped it down and re-built it.

[Paul Roberts]

One of my favorite fly rods was an 8tfer that lost 6inches. It was stiff as a board. I loved it. I don't need to feel the rod load, my timing is good and I like a "fast" rod. That little baby has power all the way out, I didn't have to reach back, or wait, for it. It was there the whole time, waiting for me to punch. A wimpy tip is wasted rod. I used it to power a fly back under overhanging brush up in the headwaters of streams, where lots of trout would summer. Going dainty wouldn't get you in there. Going up in line weight helps crash through, but couple that with line speed and a very tight loop and you are in there in a flash. Give me speed .

[J Francho]

Just got done breaking all my tips, and gluing in new tip tops I pulled off a bunch of Ugly Sticks.  I'm ready for spring.

[J Francho]

I understand actions, and I actually don't like that diagram. It looks like the same fast action rod, just with more pressure applied to it. I've got four broken spinning rods in my attic that disputes the faster claim. They are slower. The geometry of the rod is completely altered when removing the tip. More of the rod flexes when the tip is broken off.

This diagram is MUCH better at illustrating actions:

If you're starting out with a blank, trimming the tip, spacing the guides out correctly and going truly custom, then you are changing the action of the blank, to your likes and desires.

If you are simply adding a tip to a broken rod and think you are ending up with a first quality rod where the tip is 2 inches to the next guide???

If it looks good it fishes good. :

You're arguing over a broken rod. I definitely wouldn't buy one that was repaired in such a manner, I wouldn't fish one that I broke while fishing it, unless I totally stripped it down and re-built it.

What the heck does my post have to do with what you're saying?

[Paul Roberts]

Just got done breaking all my tips, and gluing in new tip tops I pulled off a bunch of Ugly Sticks. I'm ready for spring.

Well, we're learning new stuff at BR today! By golly I'm doin it too!