Super User Dan: Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 You should have just sent it back. If you used any of Ardent's grease/oil you may have just voided the warranty. Quote
Super User fishfordollars Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Well if you just can't live with it and BPS will not exchange it shoot me a pm with a price and I'll try to take it off your hands. Jack Quote
ArcticCat500 Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 I will say this, Daiwa's are incredible reels, I went from Curado's, to Revo STX's and to Daiwa, Zillions and Fuegos, and in the market for an Sol. My NIB Zillion had a whirling sound to it, instead of sending it back I went one step further and sent it to JFrancho owner of Reel Smooth Reels, he tore into her, cleaned her up and polished the gears. This thing SCREEEMS performance.  If you have any questions, look him up, you'll be satisfied  I really did like my Curados over the Revos but the Daiwa for me is a different breed. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 I must point out that I am frustrated that a nearly $200 reel has to be dissasembled and "fixed" when it's brand new. Several of us told you to have the reel replaced. "Frustrated" or just stubborn? : Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Ardent Reel Butter is the mustard for Quantum's Hot Sauce. Turns to black goo in a week. Quote
lightsout Posted February 9, 2010 Author Posted February 9, 2010 I must point out that I am frustrated that a nearly $200 reel has to be dissasembled and "fixed" when it's brand new. Several of us told you to have the reel replaced. "Frustrated" or just stubborn? :  After searching the web, I see people are repeatedly doing this time after time to the curado E. While I understand any reel will benifit from having a qualified person service it, apparently these have a reputation for needing it in many cases out of the box. (I'm aware many don't). I was told by Bass Pro a return would be tough without the receipt and the 60 mile drive hopeing "to speak to a manager" is not a sure thing. At any rate I think I'm okay and look forward to putting her to use this year  Quote
Super User Dan: Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 I must point out that I am frustrated that a nearly $200 reel has to be dissasembled and "fixed" when it's brand new. Several of us told you to have the reel replaced. "Frustrated" or just stubborn? : After searching the web, I see people are repeatedly doing this time after time to the curado E. While I understand any reel will benifit from having a qualified person service it, apparently these have a reputation for needing it in many cases out of the box. (I'm aware many don't). I was told by Bass Pro a return would be tough without the receipt and the 60 mile drive hopeing "to speak to a manager" is not a sure thing. At any rate I think I'm okay and look forward to putting her to use this year People do it to get better performance, not to get the reel to perform at all. I get not wanting to go the whole way to BPS to take a chance but by doing it with Ardent's stuff by yourself you may have voided your warranty with Shimano. With a reel that new, the best bet is always to either exchange it at the store or send it to the manufacturer. Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Back to stubborn... Curados DO NOT have a reputation for any adjustment out of the box. I have never heard this before. More importantly, Shimano will repair or replace the reel at no charge. They are as far away as your post office. Quote
Super User dodgeguy Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 kent,do you like pulling teeth?ROFLMAO!!! ;D Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Hey Buddy! My New Year's resolution is to stay out of these "best" threads and let everyone else play as long as they like. I'm still "trying"... :-[ Quote
lightsout Posted February 9, 2010 Author Posted February 9, 2010 Look around, the info's out there. I've tried to move on, but you just won't let this go? If anyone has anything remotely negative to say about shimano it's a lock you will post within minutes arguing with them. And I think you'd give anyone a run in the stubborn dept. Your reputation is well deserved...My part in this discussion is over. Quote
0119 Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 Geez man just put some rubbing alcohol on a swab and wipe the excess oil you put on the spools shaft and the race the brakes touch as the spool rotates.  Get the oil off the brakes too while your at it, it'll cast fine.  If you hate it so much just go buy a Revo/BPS/Phoolger real from the mongo conglomerate. Quote
Super User Tin Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 I'm now Shimano casting fan (I'm an Abu guy) and I never agree with RW but seriously this is the first I have heard of an issue with an E7's casting ability. Not trying to be an arse or infer anything but how much experience do you have with casting reels? It seems like 98% of issues with casting reels are the operator and not the reel. Tuning brakes and spool tentions take some time to learn. What is the drag set at? (I know this will effect how an Abu will cast, maybe a Shimano as well?) Quote
Super User .ghoti. Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Ardent Reel Butter is the mustard for Quantum's Hot Sauce. Turns to black goo in a week. Not to get too far off topic, but.... John, I've been using Reel Butter oil and grease for a couple of years with no problems. Certainly nothing like what you've experienced. What you've described has to be a contamination issue. Please do not take offence. I am not questioning your competence. If I didn't service my own reels , I'd trust you to do "em for me. But, if your lube turned into black goo, it got contaminated. Back on topic: It's been my policy to take a new reel out for a spin. Do a couple of days on the water to make sure everything is OK. If not take it back for a swap or refund. If it checks out OK, I'll tear it down completely, clean, re-lube and pronounce it good to go. I used to tear a new reel down before ever using it. After a refused warranty claim, I was forced to alter my process. A lot of reels come with way too much grease. I've heard it said that many of the parts are coated with grease to hold them in place during the assembly process. Makes some sense to me. I bought a new E7 last spring, and it was excellent right out of the box. Even better after a complete clean and lube. I would not hesitate to buy another, and probably will when I next decide that I need another reel. Quote
barroncooper Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 Ardent Reel Butter is the mustard for Quantum's Hot Sauce. Turns to black goo in a week. I don't understand what you're saying. do they not work well together? Quote
barroncooper Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 mine got smoother and smoother especially after a clean and re lube. as far as i'm concerned there is no better reel and I have some revos and I like them. as far as the casting, I'd work with the weights. do you have the green or pink ones installed. I can flip a 3/8 jig over 35' with mine. one drop of hotsauce is all the bearings need. like someone said earlier, you might be over lubed Hot Sauce in a Shimano?? :-? That's a Quantum thing and might void the warranty. I'd definitely check first before I did this. I'd return that reel for an exchange first thing, before you try to do anything else to it at all. Then when you get the next one, send it to Reel Mechanic right off the bat and have him strip it down, clean and relube it to remove the factory packed grease. I have no personal experience with this since I have BPS reels which he doesn't work on and I don't own Shimanos (except rods) but I hear he's a master at doing this and they come back feeling better than new when finished. He might could fix the one you have too but it's not worth tampering with since it's so new. Return for exchange on that before it's too late. Even if BPS won't exchange it, you always have Shimano's warranty....but not if you put Hot Sauce in it. yes hot sauce in a shimano... I said it. works well for me. kind of like at the drag track just about every pro-mod mustang has a chevy small block in it. it's just a low viscosity oil that's it. if it voids the warranty.. oh well. it shouldn't by any means Quote
Super User bilgerat Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Lots of people use hot sauce in their Shimano's, Daiwa's, Abu's, etc. without problem. I use Reel Mechanic's house brand lubes, it comes down to personal preference. The key to lubing a reel is that all traces of the original oil and grease MUST be gone before proceeding with new lubes. Not a quick wipedown "close enough" deal, it's got to be surgical. Regarding warranty - As much as automakers want you to buy their lube fluids and filters, they CANNOT deny you warranty coverage as long as what you used was equal to or exceeding their specifications and was done at the proper intervals. In the auto world, for example, oil is classified within a uniform conformity code, which means as long as the brand of oil you choose meets the manufacturer's minimum requirements, you are covered. That being said, reel lubes are NOT classified the same way, so basically anyone can package what they want and make any number of claims about it. The point is Shimano, Abu, whoever should have the right to determine which lubes go into their reels during the warranty period, because there is no uniformity in the reel lube universe. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Ardent Reel Butter is the mustard for Quantum's Hot Sauce. Turns to black goo in a week. I don't understand what you're saying. do they not work well together? Meaning you'd be better off putting either on a hot dog than in your reel. And its true, it is preference. I've used Hot Sauce and Reel Butter, and I prefer NOT to use an oil or grease that turns to black skudge in a week. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 9, 2010 Super User Posted February 9, 2010 Ardent Reel Butter is the mustard for Quantum's Hot Sauce. Turns to black goo in a week. Not to get too far off topic, but.... John, I've been using Reel Butter oil and grease for a couple of years with no problems. Certainly nothing like what you've experienced. What you've described has to be a contamination issue. Please do not take offence. I am not questioning your competence. If I didn't service my own reels , I'd trust you to do "em for me. But, if your lube turned into black goo, it got contaminated. Back on topic: It's been my policy to take a new reel out for a spin. Do a couple of days on the water to make sure everything is OK. If not take it back for a swap or refund. If it checks out OK, I'll tear it down completely, clean, re-lube and pronounce it good to go. I used to tear a new reel down before ever using it. After a refused warranty claim, I was forced to alter my process. A lot of reels come with way too much grease. I've heard it said that many of the parts are coated with grease to hold them in place during the assembly process. Makes some sense to me. I bought a new E7 last spring, and it was excellent right out of the box. Even better after a complete clean and lube. I would not hesitate to buy another, and probably will when I next decide that I need another reel. Sorry, man I totally disagree, and will add Abu Garcia Silicote to the Wall of Shame. Its not a contamination issue, its a heat issue. The grease doesn't stand up to heavy use. It breaks down after a week or so. This is what the parts look BEFORE they go into the US cleaner: Quote
Ineedanewscreenname20170204 Posted February 10, 2010 Posted February 10, 2010 I love my curados and would buy a couple more if I had the money... Quote
Super User Micro Posted February 10, 2010 Super User Posted February 10, 2010 If Curados perform just as well as Shimano's highest end reels, why does Shimano charge hundreds more for their highest end reels? Is that the price of "fancy?" Quote
Super User roadwarrior Posted February 10, 2010 Super User Posted February 10, 2010 If Curados perform just as well as Shimano's highest end reels, why does Shimano charge hundreds more for their highest end reels? Is that the price of "fancy?" Yep.. It's the price of "cool". The Law of Diminishing Returns applies to reels, too! More technically, as you know, the "features" and components are more than we mere mortals can appreciate. This is another reason why people should fish brand names with a reputation for quality. Personally, I depend on expertise to guide me towards the better equipment. I really don't know why one worm gear is better than another. I rely on Shimano professionals to know the difference. 8-) Quote
Super User J Francho Posted February 10, 2010 Super User Posted February 10, 2010 If Curados perform just as well as Shimano's highest end reels, why does Shimano charge hundreds more for their highest end reels? Is that the price of "fancy?" Lighter, smaller, nicer components. Look at this way, the difference between a Citica and a Curado is in the spool, some gearing options, and two knob bearings. Its always been that way. I love it when guys say the Curado is "smoother" because it has more bearings. Toss in an aluminum main gear, magnesium body, and cost of materials starts to creep up. Add in margins at each step to the retail shelf, and you start to see the where the disparity in MSRP comes from, with seemingly little gains ion performance. My question is, why ISN'T a lower end reel from some other makers close to their higher end models? Ahem.......Zeb-COUGH-Co! ;D Quote
Super User Micro Posted February 10, 2010 Super User Posted February 10, 2010 The Curado may not be all there is, but it's all you need. Quote
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