Recoil Guides & Braided Line

[BassLaw13]

Does anyone know if braid will score or groove the recoil guides on St. Croix rods--specifically the Legend Extreme?

I had a deal come down the pike that dropped a 7'HF Extreme in my lap for not much more than an Avid. I primarily intend on fishing it as my jig rod but would like it to pull double duty as a frog/slop rod as well. That is unless the braid will screw up my guides.

Thanks

[.RM.]

I have seen grooved recoils. Most of the time when braided lines are causing grooves in guides it is because of the hard particle's found in water that collect in the lines core and cause a sawing effect on the rings. Much like a particle wire saw.

The biggest problem I have found with recoils and braided lines, is the song that they like to sing....

They are noisy under heavy fish fighting....

Tight Lines!!!

[b.Lee]

Are all recoil guides made from the nickel/titanium? I find it hard that titanium will score from braided line.

[dodgeguy]

i have a johnny morris elite with recoils that i ran fireline braid on for and it was not noisey and did not groove.i still with suggest sic guides for braid.i have since taken the braid off that rod because i have heard of it grooving them also.

[.RM.]

The just of it all!

Originally introduced by REC Components.

RECOIL guides are made from an extremely hard but flexible "Shape Memory" alloy, which does not require plating, cannot corrode in any environment, and returns or "RECOILs" to its original shape after repeated deformations.

Tight Lines All!!! 

[Wayne P.]

It's called Titanium Alloy and it is not as hard as silicon carbide guides or even ceramic guides. Silicon (sand) particles in stained to muddy water will embed in the fibers of superlines and that is what grooves the guides. Silicon is just a little less hard than diamonds. 

Even dirty mono will goove some rod guides.

[BassLaw13]

So, from David. and Wayne P., the overarching opinion is go ahead and use braid since if I'm in stained to muddy water even mono could groove the guides?

The grooving has little to do with the line and more to do with the particles the line picks up.  Correct?

[.RM.]

So, from David. and Wayne P., the overarching opinion is go ahead and use braid since if I'm in stained to muddy water even mono could groove the guides?

The grooving has little to do with the line and more to do with the particles the line picks up.  Correct?

Basically what I was saying is yes Recoils will groove....Use your best judgment when fishing with Recoils.....

[Tin]

Pay attention to what type of braid you are using. Some braids are more round while others can be trapizoidal like and have edges that will cut and groove.

[BassLaw13]

Got it.  Thanks, Gents.

FYI, I called St. Croix and of course the rep claimed that using braid on recoil is fine, 100% fine.  In fact, it is so fine that he has never seen grooved recoil guides.   :

Looks like this will be my jig rod!   

[.RM.]

Got it.  Thanks, Gents.

FYI, I called St. Croix and of course the rep claimed that using braid on recoil is fine, 100% fine.  In fact, it is so fine that he has never seen grooved recoil guides.   :

Looks like this will be my jig rod!   

Guess the rep at St.Croix has never seen these pics on the rod building forums...

They do groove......

Tight Lines All!!! 

[Bronzefly]

I have owned the Loomis BCR GLX series with recoil guides from the time they were introduced several years ago.  I fish the Tennessee River most often, and the water is often dirty, muddy, gritty, etc.  I have one specific rod that has braid on it for the vast majority of its life - and it has been used A LOT   The recoil guides show absolutely zero signs of grooving.  It is definitely possible, but absolutely the exception to the rule.