I guess Quantum deserves it rep..

[dave]

Years ago I was in a Walmart when a guy brought back six Quantum Tour Edition reels. All six had issues. He had just purchased them in the spring, this was the end of summer.

[K_Mac]

I'm sure we have some members that work at

Cabela's and Bass Pro. I wish they would chime

in. Although they might not want to state this on

an open forum, I suspect the reels most often

returned are Quantum. In-house brands are probably

a close second, or may even lead.

I also suspect that the vast majority of the lower

end reels, especially Zebco/Quantum, are purchased

by guys that rarely fish. Durability isn't much of an issue

if you only fish two or three hours on a summer vacation.

Roadwarrior, with all due respect, in my opinion you continue to come off as a tackle snob. You may be right about in-house reel returns , in that the numbers sold are much higher than the more expensive equipment. On a percentage basis it would be interesting to compare numbers on similarly priced reels. You would certainly expect a lower failure of high-end equipment.

Which brings me to my second point. To infer that those of us in the unwashed masses who buy inexpensive or cheap equipment are unknowing and inexperienced fishermen is offensive to me. Because my pockets are not very deep does not mean I'm ignorant of fishing or the value of a dollar.

Kirby

[swilly78]

All I know for sure is that I LOVE my Tour PT..... 

[roadwarrior]

Roadwarrior, with all due respect, in my opinion you continue to come off as a tackle snob. You may be right about in-house reel returns , in that the numbers sold are much higher than the more expensive equipment. On a percentage basis it would be interesting to compare numbers on similarly priced reels. You would certainly expect a lower failure of high-end equipment.

Which brings me to my second point. To infer that those of us in the unwashed masses who buy inexpensive or cheap equipment are unknowing and inexperienced fishermen is offensive to me. Because my pockets are not very deep does not mean I'm ignorant of fishing or the value of a dollar.

Kirby

That was not my intent. Bargains can be found in better quality gear. Buy them one at a time.

As I have often stated, all your fishing can be done with one rig, three are all you really need.

This thread is about poor quality Quantum products. They have that reputation and it

is well deserved. This thread simply serves as a warning.

On a lighter note, I admit, I am a Tackle Snob...

I'm the Sheriff of the Shimano Posse, fish Shimano reels.

8-)

[Pantera61]

Roadwarrior, with all due respect, in my opinion you continue to come off as a tackle snob. You may be right about in-house reel returns , in that the numbers sold are much higher than the more expensive equipment. On a percentage basis it would be interesting to compare numbers on similarly priced reels. You would certainly expect a lower failure of high-end equipment.

Which brings me to my second point. To infer that those of us in the unwashed masses who buy inexpensive or cheap equipment are unknowing and inexperienced fishermen is offensive to me. Because my pockets are not very deep does not mean I'm ignorant of fishing or the value of a dollar.

Kirby

That was not my intent. Bargains can be found in better quality gear. Buy them one at a time.

As I have often stated, all your fishing can be done with one rig, three are all you really need.

This thread is about poor quality Quantum products. They have that reputation and it

is well deserved. This thread simply serves as a warning.

On a lighter note, I admit, I am a Tackle Snob...

I'm the Sheriff of the Shimano Posse, fish Shimano reels.

8-)

There was a point when Quantum made both good rods and good reels.  Wasn't it the 1310 that was a standard reel for crankbaits in the early 90's?

[retiredbosn]

My snapshot has seen all kinds of use and abuse, it is an ultralight and I've used it to catch 18lb cats. It was my main wading reel, it has been wet, frozen, etc. I don't think you can break that reel, hardly used once a year during vacation, rather it has been used hard and regularly.

On another note, Does Shimano sponsor any pros? We all know that KVD and others are sponsored by Quantum. Quantum puts their product out there for the world to see, and pros to abuse. I just popped over to this site from Shimano looking for the pros they sponsor, didn't see anything, do they sponsor?

[J Francho]

On another note, Does Shimano sponsor any pros?

Actually, they do quite a bit a business with actual "working pros," like guides. A guide has a much better chance of actually exposing a potential customer to the product, and showing them the benefits. Too many think that BASS pros have all the clout. There is much more going on at a grass roots level.

[Pantera61]

My snapshot has seen all kinds of use and abuse, it is an ultralight and I've used it to catch 18lb cats. It was my main wading reel, it has been wet, frozen, etc. I don't think you can break that reel, hardly used once a year during vacation, rather it has been used hard and regularly.

On another note, Does Shimano sponsor any pros? We all know that KVD and others are sponsored by Quantum. Quantum puts their product out there for the world to see, and pros to abuse. I just popped over to this site from Shimano looking for the pros they sponsor, didn't see anything, do they sponsor?

Bernie Shultz and Kota Kiriyama

[retiredbosn]

Thanks, I'm not knocking shimano as I think they make a good product.  I just don't think it is cool to bash someone else's choice in gear.  As far as Quantum and Zebco, I think that Zebco has a place in most angler's history as their first reel, mine was a 202, then a 33, then when I was a teen I moved up to a Mitchel 303, remember those???

[K_Mac]

RW I understand that as Sheriff you have a responsibility to protect and serve your posse. 8-)

I also understand you can make a case for a couple of high end combos over several lower end combos. I think a BPS Pro Qualifier baitcast rod and reel is a sweet combo. I can buy the combo for about the same price as a Shimano Curado reel. I can buy two combos for the cost of a GLoomis glx rod. While I could buy the Curado/Loomis combo, at my income level I would much rather have three less expensive ones. The joy of having three outfits on deck ready to fish is greater than having one that I would be constantly afraid I might kick off the boat. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate how fine the Shimano/Loomis outfit is, it simply means it is a luxury that I can't justify and don't need.

And sheriff as far as Quantum equipment is concerned I'm not sure a public hanging is in order.

[Boogey Man]

Roadwarrior, with all due respect, in my opinion you continue to come off as a tackle snob. You may be right about in-house reel returns , in that the numbers sold are much higher than the more expensive equipment. On a percentage basis it would be interesting to compare numbers on similarly priced reels. You would certainly expect a lower failure of high-end equipment.

Which brings me to my second point. To infer that those of us in the unwashed masses who buy inexpensive or cheap equipment are unknowing and inexperienced fishermen is offensive to me. Because my pockets are not very deep does not mean I'm ignorant of fishing or the value of a dollar.

Kirby

That was not my intent. Bargains can be found in better quality gear. Buy them one at a time.

As I have often stated, all your fishing can be done with one rig, three are all you really need.

This thread is about poor quality Quantum products. They have that reputation and it

is well deserved. This thread simply serves as a warning.

On a lighter note, I admit, I am a Tackle Snob...

I'm the Sheriff of the Shimano Posse, fish Shimano reels.

8-)

Just curious, but what Quantum products did you have and what were your experiences with them?

[bilgerat]

Wow. I wonder if this thread was about another brand would it have been allowed to go on for five pages ? :-?

Constructive criticism is one thing but this is ridiculous. The integrity of the site suffers when this crap is allowed to go on.

I feel for you Quantum fans. You are welcome to join us Flooger guys at the back of the bus. We'll hold a seat for ya'......

[MattinOK]

    Wow, I didn't expect this thread to get to five pages. I was just a lil' mad when I posted, and now I regret it. I humbly apologize to all the Quantum fans I have offended.

[Grey Wolf]

Wow, I didn't expect this thread to get to five pages. I was just a lil' mad when I posted, and now I regret it. I humbly apologize to all the Quantum fans I have offended.

Believe me , it's not your fault that this is going bad.

[jamarkwe]

I have had my two Energys pt20's since 2005 with no negitive issues... If you take care of your equipment it will take care of you.

Nobody should expect a different outlook on Quantums from a Shimano biased site .....

I mean after all you dont see a Quatum Product Support forum here do you?

[Pantera61]

I have had my two Energys pt20's since 2005 with no negitive issues... If you take care of your equipment it will take care of you.

Nobody should expect a different outlook on Quantums from a Shimano biased site .....

I mean after all you dont see a Quatum Product Support forum here do you?

If Shimano is willing to supply a product rep for customer questions, they should be commended not disparaged.  Perhaps other companies should follow Shimano's lead.  Trust me, I'm no Shimano-bot.

[bilgerat]

Wow, I didn't expect this thread to get to five pages. I was just a lil' mad when I posted, and now I regret it. I humbly apologize to all the Quantum fans I have offended.

Believe me , it's not your fault that this is going bad.

X2. You did nothing wrong. You had an issue and informed us about it WITHOUT injecting needless bias. You followed the rules. I guess the rules only apply on an as needed basis......

[Glenn]

Well guys, I guess I need to chime in here.

First off, the VERY MOMENT the mods and I step in on a thread to modify or delete posts, or close a thread down, we are immediately categorized as "power hungry" and are accused of "censorship", or called names like "nazis" and "dictators".  You name it, we've been called it, and been accused of it.

On the other hand, if we let things run their course, threads like this happen.  THEN we're critisized for not doing anything.

It's a classic definition of insanity.

You guys can't have both!  >

Regarding the Shimano forum - I have personally reached out to Quantum, Abu-Garcia, Pflueger, etc. to set up a similar forum for each, but none of them have expressed interest.

Furthermore, the Shimano forum is given to them FREE of charge.  In fact, I recently approached them about helping BR out, and was ignored.  So there's NOTHING for the mods and I to "protect". In fact, that forum is on borrowed time now.

RW simply is loyal to that brand, as are many people loyal to theirs.  I find it outrageous to have anyone imply there's anything else going on, or some kind of hidden agenda, simply because a mod is expressing his PERSONAL likes/dislikes just like everyone else does here.

Knock it off guys.  I'm sick of it!

[retiredbosn]

Personally I would hate to be a moderator here. Glenn and the fellas have to have skin like a rhino, could you imagine trying to please everyone here??? Impossible, Kudos to the mods as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who has been here for awhile knows about the Shimano possee, there was never a problem with the Shimano forum until recently. The more popular this site gets the harder it is for the mods, give them a break!!!! I personaly like giving RW and the others a hard time concerning SHEMANO'S, it is all in fun.

I should also state that anytime I've had a problem and contacted the mods about it, they have always been very helpful.  They may not always agree with what I have to say, but at the same time they do listen. Be respectful of the mods, they do not have to police this site, and Glenn does not have to provide this resource for us.

[Grey Wolf]

Wow the shimano forum being on borrowed time about knocked me down . That's too bad for them.

Maybe they'll wise up and keep a good thing going.

[steezy]

Wow the shimano forum being on borrowed time about knocked me down . That's too bad for them.

Maybe they'll wise up and keep a good thing going.

X2, I would hate to see the Shimano thing go away, its nice having an inside hook to a major company.

I wish Daiwa and others could see the benefit of a forum here.

I do not and have never owned any Quantum gear but regardless of the price range or quality, if some like it and it works for them then I wish them well.

[K_Mac]

Personally I would hate to be a moderator here. Glenn and the fellas have to have skin like a rhino, could you imagine trying to please everyone here??? Impossible, Kudos to the mods as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who has been here for awhile knows about the Shimano possee, there was never a problem with the Shimano forum until recently. The more popular this site gets the harder it is for the mods, give them a break!!!! I personaly like giving RW and the others a hard time concerning SHEMANO'S, it is all in fun.

I should also state that anytime I've had a problem and contacted the mods about it, they have always been very helpful. They may not always agree with what I have to say, but at the same time they do listen. Be respectful of the mods, they do not have to police this site, and Glenn does not have to provide this resource for us.

I completely agree with the above.

RW has always been very gracious to me even when I have been less so to him. He is passionate about his beliefs and I think that is an admirable characteristic. It is my philosophy that it is better to hit the wrong note at full voice now and then, than to be quiet and not add anything to the chorus. Spirited conversation is one of life's simple pleasures as far as I'm concerned, but it is difficult to have in this format. It is easy to come off as mean spirited and superior. I am probably more guilty of this than most. This forum does a better job of maintaining civil dialogue than any other I've seen and I appreciate that very much. Thanks Glenn.

Kirby

[cart7t]

As far as quantum goes, I have three rods, and several reels. I have an old snapshot that I've had for at least 15 years, never been cleaned or serviced and works great. I've never understood why so many people are down on quantums. Besides that they routinely go on sale for extraordinary prices, the same thing can not be said for other companies.

my mistake experiences with Quantum are with their reels.

Their rods OTOH are a different story.  I own a Tour edition spinning rod I really like and my experiences with their PT line has always been very favorable.  Great mid priced rod. 

[wickyman]

Quantum products are alot better than most people on here will give them credit for. I've had/have multiple reels and so does my dad. I've also got 2 of their rods. I have yet to have a problem with any of them. I just don't get why everyone jumps onthe bash Quantum bandwagon. I understand being upset that a reel breaks but why say that everything is bad?

What can I compare it to? I've Shimano, Diawa, and BPS reels and rods. The only one of those I've had a problem with was the BPS branded stuff.

Yes I do agree you can get better reels for the price but when they decided to run a clearance on them and you get a $229 reel for $100 its pretty hard to beat.

And there are a few pros who fish them, and have since they started.  KVD being one of them.  If they didn't sell a quality reel, and rod, would he be winning all the tournaments that he does?  Everyone is so ready to jump on a companies case, and say that they are bad...

How many people in this thread, or on the forums, have tried this company?!  I have, and I love their stuff...  I have an optix 10 reel, and a quantum array, both are great, and I haven't ever had an issue with them...  I think those who haven't tried something, should stop giving advice, when they haven't even used the gear! 

[wickyman]

I have had no problems with either of my reels... I mean for the fact that my array needs a good cleaning to remove the nasty oil that was used at the factory...  Probably hot sauce, which imho isn't the most quality reel oil, or grease, on the market...

But otherwise, the reels haven't failed me, on the countless trips I have had.  Yeah, I know, I should grease, and oil my reels more often, and I have with the optix...  But the array, is pretty bullet proof...